BearGoggles said:
Cal88 said:
Zippergate said:
No, actually it is because they don't want them. No country in the the M.E. wants them.
First, since 1948, none of the millions of Palestinians who were forcibly expelled from their country were ever allowed back.
Second, Palestinians don't want to leave their country, the only reason some would is that Israel is literally genociding them, they have dropped 60lb of TNT per man, woman or child in Gaza so far and have cut off their food and water.
Third, your statement implies that Palestinians are some kind of undesirable people, and that is the reason they are not wanted by other countries. Norman Finkelstein's answer:
You need to get your facts straight. It is objectively false that "millions" of Palestinians were expelled from their homes. Even if you adopt the numbers presented by the Palestinians, it is less than one million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_estimates_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
Millions, since 1948. 1.5 million in Gaza alone this year.
And in 1948, 900,000 Palestinians (the great majority of that population at the time) were forcibly dispossessed and displaced from their land and villages in 1948. out of a total Palestinian population of 1.3 millions, the aftermath of a large, well-planned terror campaign where thousands of Palestinian villagers were exterminated:
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Coincidentally, that number is roughly the same as the Jews who were expelled from Arab countries (many of whom found safety in Israel). Do you feel equal sympathy for those Jewish refugees and are you demanding that they be compensated by the Arab countries? I haven't seen that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#:~:text=In%20the%2020th%20century%2C%20approximately,countries%20throughout%20Africa%20and%20Asia.
Jews have lived in harmony with Muslims and Christians in the Arab world for millennia, until the creation of Israel. That's why far fewer Arab Jews emigrated to the Americas in the 18th and 19th centuries than European Ashkenazis, who were actively persecuted in eastern and central Europe for centuries.
What you don't know and you should learn about Arab Jews in the 1950s-60s is that Israel actively targeted Jewish Arab communities, going as far as bombing the large Jewish community in Iraq in false flag operations:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shocking-truth-behind-the-baghdad-bombings-of-1950-and-1951/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/avi-shlaim-proof-israel-zionist-involvement-iraq-jews-attackshttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-reportQuote:
Shlaim's autobiography Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab-Jew, published earlier this month, details his childhood as an Iraqi Jew and subsequent exile to Israel.
It also includes research about a number of bombings in Iraq which prompted a mass exodus of Jews from the country between 1950 and 1951, most of whom, like he and his family, ended up in Israel.
On Sunday, Shlaim told Middle East Eye that he had uncovered "incontrovertible evidence of Zionist underground involvement in the bombs".
As part of the evidence, the historian cited an extensive interview he carried out with Yaakov Karkoukli, a former member of the Zionist underground in Baghdad in the 1950s.
The bombings at the time included attacks on a coffee shop, a car dealership and a synagogue, among other attacks on Jewish communities and businesses.
Karkoukli said that Basri carried out three of those attacks on Jewish sites upon the orders of Meir Max Bineth, an Israeli intelligence officer who supplied Basri with grenades and TNT explosives.
There is also plenty of evidence of Israel bombing western targets in countries like Egypt in order to poison the relations between those countries and the West:
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You further discredit yourself with the "genociding them" claim. If the Israeli's wanted to commit genocide, there would be no Palestinians left. Full stop.
You loose all credibility (to the extent any remains) when you make these types of hyperbolic one-sided claims.
If Israel exterminated Palestinians by the hundreds of thousands instead of tens of thousands, is would cease to exist, because even the most brainwashed Fox-watching Christian zionists would start turning against them. Israel cannot survive without continued large military and financial aid from the US as well as its support among key western countries, which has been maintained through MSM propaganda.
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And you have pretty much answered your own question in the final paragraph. The surrounding Arab countries do in fact view the Palestinians as undesirable people. I take no pleasure in saying that but its true.
This is why I haven't put much effort into arguing with people like you on this subject, you basically believe that Palestinians are an inferior people, intrinsically prone to violence for no reason. This opinion is completely detached from the history of that region and nearly a century of violence and ethnic cleansing against the original inhabitants of Palestine. It is shaped by decades of propaganda, so it is useless for me to try to argue against that here.
