The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 8:30p, 4/4/24
One can only hope that Israeli subs with nukes have a secret stand down order in place if Netanyahu orders a strike similar to what was in place for the guardians of our nuclear forces when tRump was POTUS.
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In reply to Lets Go Brandon 14 • 10:26p, 4/4/24
^^ To Mairav Zonszein, who says it's "not Netanyahu's war, it's Israel's war."...

Yes and no. But mostly no. And if we're going to say yes, can we say that October 7th wasn't Hamas' terrorist attack, it was Gaza's? Or "Palestine's"?

Gotcha. Hoisted by your own petard.
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12:58a, 4/5/24
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1:09a, 4/5/24


The CIA seem to be really good at forecasting these type of things.
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1:26p, 4/5/24


"Shaheed loitering drones"? Is that where Lockheed Martin and Sharia Law meet?
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In reply to Big C • 8:46p, 4/5/24
Big C said:
^^ To Mairav Zonszein, who says it's "not Netanyahu's war, it's Israel's war."...

Yes and no. But mostly no. And if we're going to say yes, can we say that October 7th wasn't Hamas' terrorist attack, it was Gaza's? Or "Palestine's"?

Gotcha. Hoisted by your own petard.
The difference is that we can't tell how many Palestinians oppose what Hamas dead because they're all dead or starving to death right now, whereas we know that Isreal citizens overwhelmingly support the genocide. I bet though that if you could ask Palestinians right now, they would say that the October 7 attack was a bad idea.

Meanwhile, Democrats are panicking about being on the wrong side of history and losing the election, trying to pretend that they stood up against genocide long after it actually mattered to have principles.





Even Biden is really upset now

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8:55p, 4/6/24
Here's a little something for those of you who in the past, as a defense of Israel's genocide, asked why these other Arab countries don't take in these Palestinian refugees.

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9:17p, 4/6/24
Professor Paul Keller of Cambridge University claims that October 7, 2023 served to reveal the true face of Israel and that if Israel were a person, it would be interned in a psychiatric hospital...

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In reply to Cal88 • 10:53p, 4/6/24
^ reminds me of that oft-used expression "posting on Bear Insider doesn't build character, it reveals it" ^
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7:45a, 4/7/24
6 months in, the Gaza war is in limbo which may help Bibi stay in power


https://www.axios.com/2024/04/07/6-months-gaza-war-netanyahu

"Many U.S. and Israeli officials weighing all of this are convinced that although the deeply unpopular Netanyahu seems boxed in, he might think a dragged-out war increases his chances of staying in power.

The officials interpret Netanyahu's actions this way: As long as a war is going on, elections that could oust him are less likely. And the more time that passes, the more chances he'll have to recuperate politically.

Netanyahu remains the only senior government official who has refused to take responsibility for the failures that led to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust."

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8:12a, 4/7/24
Netanyahu (and Israel's) biggest problem is that it doesn't appear they will be able to actually eliminate Hamas. Eliminating Hamas is a goal with wide support in Israel, for obvious reasons.

Hamas has far too much support within and without Palestine. According to Wikipedia, something like 3/4 of Palestinians still support Hamas (as of December) and that more than a third still approved of 10/7 attacks.

Given the insurgent nature of Hamas and the fact that it has broad support among "civilians" it just doesn't appear that Israel can achieve this goal.
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In reply to bearister • 8:54a, 4/7/24
Some are now questioning whether Israel purposefully allowed the attacks to succeed.
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9:11a, 4/7/24
Colonel Douglass McGregor claims Israel killed the Iranian officials in Syria, to purposefully create an Iranian over-reaction - to draw America into the conflict. Which he claims might/ will draw Russia into the conflict.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 9:35a, 4/7/24
Unit2Sucks said:
Netanyahu (and Israel's) biggest problem is that it doesn't appear they will be able to actually eliminate Hamas. Eliminating Hamas is a goal with wide support in Israel, for obvious reasons.

Hamas has far too much support within and without Palestine. According to Wikipedia, something like 3/4 of Palestinians still support Hamas (as of December) and that more than a third still approved of 10/7 attacks.

Given the insurgent nature of Hamas and the fact that it has broad support among "civilians" it just doesn't appear that Israel can achieve this goal.
Yup, and this is something that a lot of us could have told them way back when this whole war started. It's like when George W. Bush and crew thought they could win a "War on Terror." No, that's not how it works. You can go to war and defeat a particular leader or government, but a terrorist ideology like that of Al Qaeda or Hamas is an idea that takes root in a population and not something you can blow up with bombs. If you kill off the current Hamas leaders in Gaza, there will just be more to take their place.

A different approach is needed.
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9:49a, 4/7/24
Approach to what?? The goal was to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Destroy every school, university, hospital, water treatment plant, powerplant, sewag system, mosque, church, market, make Gaza completely unlivable. The pier is being set up to get rid of hundreds of thousands of starved, injured Palestinians.






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In reply to Cal88 • 10:14a, 4/7/24
The Mother Jones article omits that Kuschner allegedly spearheaded the Abraham Accords - 5 Mideast peace deals.

Dr. Jordan Peterson argues that President Trump should have received the Nobel Peace Prize for those peace deals, and he possibly also suggested that President Obama received his NPP for being [half] Black.
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In reply to bearister • 10:38a, 4/7/24
bearister said:
One can only hope that Israeli subs with nukes have a secret stand down order in place if Netanyahu orders a strike similar to what was in place for the guardians of our nuclear forces when tRump was POTUS.


The Make Believe World where many Liberals reside.

President Trump:
Wars = 0
NATO conflicts = 0
Peace deals = 5
NATO = strengthened

President Biden / Obama:
Wars = 2+
NATO conflicts = 1
Peace deals = 0*
NATO = hallowed out

* edited, opps
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11:16a, 4/7/24
To be fair though, sy's take above was a reasonable one.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:39a, 4/7/24
Cal88 said:
To be fair though, sy's take above was a reasonable one.
Yogi often can't recognize when people are actually agreeing with him and call off the attack dogs.

It's why his kind of political ideology will never gain supporters.
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In reply to movielover • 12:03p, 4/7/24
movielover said:
Some are now questioning whether Israel purposefully allowed the attacks to succeed.


The source is Reuters so you never know:

Israel investigates possible trading knowledge ahead of Oct 7 Hamas attack | Reuters
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In reply to bear2034 • 12:06p, 4/7/24
An acquaintance told me there was an Israeli communication blackout on the day of the attack. (??)
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In reply to movielover • 12:11p, 4/7/24
movielover said:
An acquaintance told me there was an Israeli communication blackout on the day of the attack. (??)

Just like the U.S., there are competing factions within the Israeli military, intelligence services and government.
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In reply to Lets Go Brandon 19 • 4:45a, 4/8/24
Maybe Obama / Biden will halt the leveling of Gaza a few weeks before our election. Rig the election, and give credit for the election victory to King Solomon (Biden).

Then resume bombing.
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2:11p, 4/8/24
Ireland showing some spine:

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6:48p, 4/8/24
Why are so many " human rights organizations" just fronts for Islamic terrorist supporters? This applies to most of the UN too. They're not fooling anyone.

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In reply to bear2034 • 7:33p, 4/8/24
bear2034 said:
movielover said:
Some are now questioning whether Israel purposefully allowed the attacks to succeed.


The source is Reuters so you never know:

Israel investigates possible trading knowledge ahead of Oct 7 Hamas attack | Reuters

If this is true I can think of two people that made millions using multiple straw men for the transactions. These agents will have to be tortured to give up their principals….who then should be tried and hung in their respective countries.
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In reply to bearister • 8:00p, 4/8/24
bearister said:
bear2034 said:
movielover said:
Some are now questioning whether Israel purposefully allowed the attacks to succeed.


The source is Reuters so you never know:

Israel investigates possible trading knowledge ahead of Oct 7 Hamas attack | Reuters

If this is true I can think of two people that made millions using multiple straw men for the transactions. These agents will have to be tortured to give up their principals….who then should be tried and hung in their respective countries.


Joe and Hunter Biden?
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:30a, 4/9/24
Cal88 said:
Ireland showing some spine:


I hear you about Netanyahu. Can you please cite Trump's official statement?

Also, as an aside, what do you have to say about Trump's abhorrent racism against immigrants like us (you from France and me from Mexico)?

You know how much it will make me smile when you say "Trump is a racist pig" ....
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In reply to OsoDorado • 2:16a, 4/9/24
OsoDorado said:
Cal88 said:
Ireland showing some spine:


I hear you about Netanyahu. Can you please cite Trump's official statement?

Also, as an aside, what do you have to say about Trump's abhorrent racism against immigrants like us (you from France and me from Mexico)?

You know how much it will make me smile when you say "Trump is a racist pig" ....


According to racist Trump, I'm sure France is a "nice" country and Mexico is not. You and Cal88 are not the same according to Traitor Trump. Cal88 is white.
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In reply to OsoDorado • 2:29a, 4/9/24
OsoDorado said:

You know how much it will make me smile when you say "Trump is a racist pig" ....


You may want to smile after you watch this.... dajo9 too.
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In reply to dajo9 • 4:51a, 4/9/24
dajo9 said:
OsoDorado said:
Cal88 said:
Ireland showing some spine:


I hear you about Netanyahu. Can you please cite Trump's official statement?

Also, as an aside, what do you have to say about Trump's abhorrent racism against immigrants like us (you from France and me from Mexico)?

You know how much it will make me smile when you say "Trump is a racist pig" ....


According to racist Trump, I'm sure France is a "nice" country and Mexico is not. You and Cal88 are not the same according to Traitor Trump. Cal88 is white.

Funny, but my Mexican side is mostly Spanish, though I am so proud of the little indigenous blood i have (from Michoacan). So, Cal88 is probably a little "Whiter" than me, but to be honest I'm a pretty "White" Hispanic.

But, yes, Trump would probably "accept" Cal88 before a Mexican "animal" like me.
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7:40a, 4/9/24
Oso, there are 30 other threads about Trump, this thread is about Gaza. I am not sure Trump would be better on Gaza than Biden though (see my post about Kushner above), and that's all that needs to be said here.
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10:09p, 4/9/24





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In reply to dajo9 • 9:28a, 4/10/24
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