movielover said:

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COLONIZERS invented the term Palestinian to refer to dozens of Arab tribes who hate each other and have been at war with one another for millennia. Everyone who supports so-called Palestine are, in fact, supporting H@mas. pic.twitter.com/3enb89cUPr

— @amuse (@amuse) May 12, 2024

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The number of right-wing media outlets that are systematically, fanatically "pro-Israel" is actually astonishing:

-Fox News
-Daily Wire
-Newsmax
-The Post Millennial
-PragerU
-Breitbart
-Washington Free Beacon
-Rebel News
-Epoch Times
-Babylon Bee
-New York Post
-National Review…

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) May 7, 2024

Netanyahu has been in control of US Congress since the 80s. pic.twitter.com/YTFios7AlZ

— Zeeshan Khan (@FrameTheGlobe) May 8, 2024

A leaked video from 2001 shows Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, discussing his intention to annihilate Palestine, while "maneuvering" the world—and the US in particular—into not seeing Israel as the aggressors.

"America is something that you can easily maneuver and… pic.twitter.com/CI4rfmwGWZ

— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) October 12, 2023

bear2034 said:

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Cal88 said:

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The number of right-wing media outlets that are systematically, fanatically "pro-Israel" is actually astonishing:

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These outlets were considered systematically and fanatically pro-Russia and now they're also systematically and fanatically pro-Israel?

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Zbigniew Brzezinski was a top US foreign policy official, not at all a radical, in fact the opposite. But he acknowledged truths about Israel that will end your career. Just look at this interview from 2002, when Israel was doing another one of its routine massacres of… pic.twitter.com/szda3XBM4Z

— ☀️👀 (@zei_squirrel) May 10, 2024

Quote:

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"The Israelis are becoming increasingly like the white supremacist South Africans, viewing the Palestinians as a lower form of life, not hesitating to kill a great many of them and justifying this on the grounds that they are being the objects of terrorism."

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Israeli teens in prison for refusing to join the IDF have sent Biden a letter urging him to use his power to stop the war.
They say US support has let Israel "wage unprecedented carnage in Gaza, making the Israeli society complicit in unspeakable crimes."https://t.co/hSC3wkQI0C

— Prem Thakker (@prem_thakker) May 9, 2024

Pls hear her beautiful Jewish experience at GWU protest that brought her “closer to my Judaism” w/Shabbat services, interfaith dialogue AND belated bat mitzvah by a rabbi.

You won’t hear such myth-busting truths on corporate media for a reason.#FreePalestine #HandsOffRafah pic.twitter.com/xqpgtmrPvI

— #StopCopCity (@ChuckModi1) May 10, 2024

CaliforniaEternal said:

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It's not that difficult to understand people. If Hamas hadn't launched their murderous rampage on Oct 7th, there would be no war.

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Anyone who starts the clock on Oct. 7 is either too disingenuous or too stupid be engaged with.

— #StopCopCity (@ChuckModi1) May 10, 2024

This year, #YomHaZikaron is more poignant and tragic than ever, following October 7.

On Israel's Memorial Day, we honor and remember the 25,040 soldiers and 5,100 victims of terror who have lost their lives throughout Israeli history, including the 1,200 victims of Hamas' 10/7… pic.twitter.com/hg0hkl5Zed

— American Jewish Committee (@AJCGlobal) May 13, 2024

Israeli settlers carried out a violent attack on humanitarian aid truck on the way to the besieged Gaza Strip, targeting and destroying bags of wheat flour. pic.twitter.com/q9Mqntdadz

— PALESTINE ONLINE 🇵🇸 (@OnlinePalEng) May 13, 2024

⤵️ Attacks by "Israeli civilians" on aid trucks coming from Jordan and their destruction are still continuing. Gaza is once again approaching a major catastrophe due to the lack of aid and food supplies.
The Rafah and Kerem Shalom crossing is not working due to Israeli military… pic.twitter.com/1zZLaEX9yr

— Rula Alqawasmi (@Alqawasmi_Rula) May 13, 2024

A video that the hypocritical world should watch:

A man with an amputated foot carries flour on his shoulder for his family.

This is an embodiment of the extent of the suffering that the people of the Gaza Strip are enduring. pic.twitter.com/A09Pdy5C18

— Khalissee (@Kahlissee) May 13, 2024

sycasey said:

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There is some evidence that Trump's base is isolationist, but that is not the same as anti-war.

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So -- Biden gives a full-throated endorsement to Israel in the immediate aftermath of Oct. 7, and continues to speak for weeks/months about how the war against Hamas is a must-win for Israel's survival.

In doing so he alienates both Muslim voters in various communities in the…

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) May 12, 2024

Israeli whistleblower to CNN exposes the mistreatment of Palestinians inside the Israeli concentration camp

― Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers, extreme physical restraint, beatings, + humiliation https://t.co/AiFtdL6fyu pic.twitter.com/E8GnLpDaNH

— HOT SPOT (@HotSpotHotSpot) May 13, 2024

"As the descendent of European Jews, I was raised in a particularly unforgiving moral environment when it came to responsibility for ethnic cleansing. The paramount importance of 'never again' and the inadequacy of 'just following orders' were oft repeated." - Major Harrison Mann pic.twitter.com/VBROelMRzk

— Holding Biden Accountable (@PushBidenLeft) May 13, 2024

Israeli settlers have attacked trucks delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza, ransacking and destroying food and medicine intended for the 2 million starving Palestinians in the enclave. pic.twitter.com/w49IeKG1YN

— In Context (@incontextmedia) May 13, 2024

So beautiful to see Biden being celebrated in his ancestral homeland 🥰🥰 pic.twitter.com/SmwdYS7q7v

— Déaglán | ‏دكلن (@PresidentIRE) May 12, 2024

Israel has not only killed, maimed and traumatized Palestinians in Gaza. It has created (a set of) conditions calculated to bring about the destruction of Gaza. https://t.co/gfCK3LbQfU

— Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt (@FranceskAlbs) May 13, 2024

Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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I know, right? Thank goodness the Christian countries haven't gotten involved in wars! Peace, baby.

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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While I agree with your conclusion, you are really uneducated on the Bible despite you commenting incessantly on it. For example, you were even unaware that the first three books of the Old Testament are from the Torah.

The eye for an eye was a form of justice in Jewish culture where the punishment must fit the crime. Before, the concept from Egypt and other ruling countries was might makes right, with punishment exceeding the crime especially for the disenfranchised. It was a means of ensuring that punishment was not too harsh relative to the crime. But ultimately, God's position in the Old Testament was that the judgment was His and that He will hold all of us accountable on judgment day for all our actions. Punishment was not ours to exact. However, people would still seek retribution, so God's instructions were to keep punishment aligned with the actual crime.

Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, where he teaches about believers not relying on just strict compliance with the rule but in the changing of the heart, was about moving beyond action. As he stated, he didn't add or detract a single law. You are not saved just because you don't murder. You are committing the same sin when you have anger in your heart. You are not saved because you don't commit physical adultery. You commit the same sin when you have lust in your heart. It is not enough to love those who love you. The Good Samaritan was a rebuke against the strict followers of the law with worldly heart. The leaders walked past the man who had been robbed and attacked. It was only the stranger from Samaria - the region Jewish people thought were full of evil people, who stopped and spent a month's wage to care for the person who should have been his enemy. Same with turning the other cheek. Who does that? Really? Anyone here? Forget the words, do you treat the person who has most wronged you as yourself - meaning put that person on equal footing in need as your needs? OF course not.

The whole point is that we cannot be saved through our own actions or our own conviction. No one is deserving of being saved based on that standard. So, we are saved not by our actions but by our faith. And once justified by faith, we are sanctified by the spirit changing our hearts and not just our actions.

You really need to stop writing about religion (both Jewish and Christian) without doing some basic reading and gaining some basic understanding.

We can complain about ignorance of the voters and those who buy into conspiracy. How does that happen? When people shoot first with false knowledge before they gain actual knowledge, and acting like experts on somethings with which they don't even have basic understanding.

Not meant as a rebuke other than asking you to gain some humility (I know - odd coming from me) and curiosity and learn about the facts instead of spreading ignorance.

Thanks in advance.

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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While I agree with your conclusion, you are really uneducated on the Bible despite you commenting incessantly on it. For example, you were even unaware that the first three books of the Old Testament are from the Torah.

The eye for an eye was a form of justice in Jewish culture where the punishment must fit the crime. Before, the concept from Egypt and other ruling countries was might makes right, with punishment exceeding the crime especially for the disenfranchised. It was a means of ensuring that punishment was not too harsh relative to the crime. But ultimately, God's position in the Old Testament was that the judgment was His and that He will hold all of us accountable on judgment day for all our actions. Punishment was not ours to exact. However, people would still seek retribution, so God's instructions were to keep punishment aligned with the actual crime.

Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, where he teaches about believers not relying on just strict compliance with the rule but in the changing of the heart, was about moving beyond action. As he stated, he didn't add or detract a single law. You are not saved just because you don't murder. You are committing the same sin when you have anger in your heart. You are not saved because you don't commit physical adultery. You commit the same sin when you have lust in your heart. It is not enough to love those who love you. The Good Samaritan was a rebuke against the strict followers of the law with worldly heart. The leaders walked past the man who had been robbed and attacked. It was only the stranger from Samaria - the region Jewish people thought were full of evil people, who stopped and spent a month's wage to care for the person who should have been his enemy. Same with turning the other cheek. Who does that? Really? Anyone here? Forget the words, do you treat the person who has most wronged you as yourself - meaning put that person on equal footing in need as your needs? OF course not.

The whole point is that we cannot be saved through our own actions or our own conviction. No one is deserving of being saved based on that standard. So, we are saved not by our actions but by our faith. And once justified by faith, we are sanctified by the spirit changing our hearts and not just our actions.

You really need to stop writing about religion (both Jewish and Christian) without doing some basic reading and gaining some basic understanding.

We can complain about ignorance of the voters and those who buy into conspiracy. How does that happen? When people shoot first with false knowledge before they gain actual knowledge, and acting like experts on somethings with which they don't even have basic understanding.

Not meant as a rebuke other than asking you to gain some humility (I know - odd coming from me) and curiosity and learn about the facts instead of spreading ignorance.

Thanks in advance.

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I'm going to wait and see if Big C or anyone else can say why I posted by comment.
But first, yes I knew.
Enjoyed reading (truly) your esteemed biblical scholarly review in the first couple paragraphs, but where you revert to trashing me and making assumptions or untrue statements of me is both garbage and not very Christ-like of you. Shame on you.

Finally, glad to know that after all your add, YOU AGREED WITH ME. full stop

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bearister said:

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"…… and not very Christ-like of you."

Not very Christ like? Isn't that a foundational tenet of the Evangelical movement?

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bearister said:

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"…… and not very Christ-like of you."

Not very Christ like? Isn't that a foundational tenet of the Evangelical movement?

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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I know, right? Thank goodness the Christian countries haven't gotten involved in wars! Peace, baby.

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Of course they have. That's incredibly obvious. Apparently you missed the thesis of my post.
Try again and see if you can find it and comment on it.

What do you think I was trying to say when I posted that?

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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While I agree with your conclusion, you are really uneducated on the Bible despite you commenting incessantly on it. For example, you were even unaware that the first three books of the Old Testament are from the Torah.

The eye for an eye was a form of justice in Jewish culture where the punishment must fit the crime. Before, the concept from Egypt and other ruling countries was might makes right, with punishment exceeding the crime especially for the disenfranchised. It was a means of ensuring that punishment was not too harsh relative to the crime. But ultimately, God's position in the Old Testament was that the judgment was His and that He will hold all of us accountable on judgment day for all our actions. Punishment was not ours to exact. However, people would still seek retribution, so God's instructions were to keep punishment aligned with the actual crime.

Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, where he teaches about believers not relying on just strict compliance with the rule but in the changing of the heart, was about moving beyond action. As he stated, he didn't add or detract a single law. You are not saved just because you don't murder. You are committing the same sin when you have anger in your heart. You are not saved because you don't commit physical adultery. You commit the same sin when you have lust in your heart. It is not enough to love those who love you. The Good Samaritan was a rebuke against the strict followers of the law with worldly heart. The leaders walked past the man who had been robbed and attacked. It was only the stranger from Samaria - the region Jewish people thought were full of evil people, who stopped and spent a month's wage to care for the person who should have been his enemy. Same with turning the other cheek. Who does that? Really? Anyone here? Forget the words, do you treat the person who has most wronged you as yourself - meaning put that person on equal footing in need as your needs? OF course not.

The whole point is that we cannot be saved through our own actions or our own conviction. No one is deserving of being saved based on that standard. So, we are saved not by our actions but by our faith. And once justified by faith, we are sanctified by the spirit changing our hearts and not just our actions.

You really need to stop writing about religion (both Jewish and Christian) without doing some basic reading and gaining some basic understanding.

We can complain about ignorance of the voters and those who buy into conspiracy. How does that happen? When people shoot first with false knowledge before they gain actual knowledge, and acting like experts on somethings with which they don't even have basic understanding.

Not meant as a rebuke other than asking you to gain some humility (I know - odd coming from me) and curiosity and learn about the facts instead of spreading ignorance.

Thanks in advance.

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I'm going to wait and see if Big C or anyone else can say why I posted by comment.
But first, yes I knew.
Enjoyed reading (truly) your esteemed biblical scholarly review in the first couple paragraphs, but where you revert to trashing me and making assumptions or untrue statements of me is both garbage and not very Christ-like of you. Shame on you.

Finally, glad to know that after all your add, YOU AGREED WITH ME. full stop

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Me asking you to not make assumptions and pass those off as facts is not me trashing you.

It is me asking you to be humble and ask questions if you are not an expert instead of writing as if you are one. That's how ignorance is spread, and I am really tired of people making important decisions based on some fake facts they read on the internet.

But I agree with you that the world can use more forgiveness. Not seeing a lot of that from anyone here.

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Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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I know, right? Thank goodness the Christian countries haven't gotten involved in wars! Peace, baby.

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Of course they have. That's incredibly obvious. Apparently you missed the thesis of my post.
Try again and see if you can find it and comment on it.

What do you think I was trying to say when I posted that?

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I'm not gonna lie: If I misunderstood something, it wouldn't be the first time (or the second, or the third, or the ... )

Having read it once, and rather casually at that, I thought your point was that Christianity tends to be more peaceful than Judaism, because of the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

At some point, I will maybe go back and look again. Or you could just lay it out for me.

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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Old Testament: an eye for an eye.
New Testament: turn thy cheek.

I think there's a reason why Christianity became so popular. The Old Testament doesn't really work. You merely end up with endless wars (or endless personal relationship turmoil).

Forgiveness is the path forward.

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I know, right? Thank goodness the Christian countries haven't gotten involved in wars! Peace, baby.

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Of course they have. That's incredibly obvious. Apparently you missed the thesis of my post.
Try again and see if you can find it and comment on it.

What do you think I was trying to say when I posted that?

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I'm not gonna lie: If I misunderstood something, it wouldn't be the first time (or the second, or the third, or the ... )

Having read it once, and rather casually at that, I thought your point was that Christianity tends to be more peaceful than Judaism, because of the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

At some point, I will maybe go back and look again. Or you could just lay it out for me.

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Great. Thanks for the reply.

I certainly did not intend that any one religious group is more peaceful than another. History shows that is simple folly.

I was referring to Jesus quote "you've heard an eye for an eye, but now I tell you a new way, turn the other cheek, give the shirt off your back".

Apologies for butchering the quote. The biblical scholar(s) here can correct me.

And my point, IN THIS THREAD, is to point out (or, a response to) the following:

People in Gaza commit a horrible crime of mutder and hostage taking upon thy neighbor. I think the toll was 1300??
And then the people of Israel wage war to the toll of…. How many Gazans are dead now? Their ****ty city is completely obliterated.

What
The
Puck
Is
Israel
Doing???????????????

So, this is not forgiveness (New Testament).
This is not limited to an eye for an eye (Old Testament).
This is what "93" referred to, which I knew nothing about, where before eye for eye it was bodies for an eye.

And what I was saying, the point of my early morning 6 line post, is that this is going to get Israel NOWHERE!! They are FOOLS if they think fighting in a rough neighborhood is a solution.

And further, their next would-be retaliators will also get them NOWHERE.

Jesus' teaching was that forgiveness is the true path forward.

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UN halves estimates of women and children killed in Gaza. Apparently, the Hamas figures repeatedly cited are false. https://t.co/nNIY8rYOXN

— Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) May 12, 2024

JUST IN: U.N. Cuts Gaza Death Toll Figures by Half, Confirming Hamas Is Lying About Casualties — Biden admin still calls Hamas figures “credible,” cites them in bid to pressure Israel https://t.co/WAZDY0iDS5

— Adam Kredo (@Kredo0) May 13, 2024

This is an important point, so I'd like to address it in detail. What does it mean that the UN switched from reporting >14,500 children and >9,500 women killed in Gaza, to reporting only 7,797 "identified" children and 4,959 "identified" women?

Yes, this is going to be a 🧵 1/ https://t.co/kAVLoUfC6E

— David Adesnik (@adesnik) May 13, 2024

BearGoggles said:

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Kind of weird that nobody has posted about the UN reducing civilian/child casualties by 50%. Who would have thought that Hamas' ministry of health was lying?

UN halves estimates of women and children killed in Gaza. Apparently, the Hamas figures repeatedly cited are false. https://t.co/nNIY8rYOXN

— Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) May 12, 2024

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Will @JoeNBC and others who promoted a false narrative about this post any corrections? https://t.co/hTleH79Yw2

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) May 13, 2024

Scarborough’s fake news tweet seeking to minimize the deaths of Palestinian women and children in Gaza got more than 2.5 million views. pic.twitter.com/KurB9olA1F

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) May 13, 2024

bearister said:

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" Israel is surrounded, and they are going to go down eventually."

They have a fleet of German made subs armed with nuclear missiles so until AI figures out a way to track and destroy said subs, Israel isn't going anywhere. By the time AI figures that problem out, the robots will have either nuked all of mankind or turned us into slaves.

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Here’s to 76 years of independence.

Am Yisrael Chai

— Israel ישראל (@Israel) May 13, 2024

We stand behind our flag for our country and the Jewish people, no matter who tries to eliminate our identity, people and pride.

Our hope and spirit will prevail over our enemies.

Happy #IndependenceDay, Israel 🇮🇱 pic.twitter.com/YrdeOemWFG

— Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) May 13, 2024

Today, we reaffirm our enduring bond with Israel and join them in celebrating 76 years of Israeli independence. 

We remain united by our shared democratic values and effort to secure a future of security and prosperity for the region. Yom Ha’atzmaut Sameach!

— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) May 13, 2024

It is Israel's independence Day 🇮🇱

76 years ago the State of Israel was established.

It was immediately invaded by Arab armies who set out to wipe the Jews out.

But the Jews won the war, and after 2000 years had a state again.

It is here to stay.

Happy birthday Israel 🇮🇱

— David Collier (@mishtal) May 13, 2024

Throwback: The powerful moment when the State of #Israel was declared in 1948, and the Jewish people's long-awaited dream to regain their autonomy in their ancestral and indigenous homeland became a reality.
Happy 76th Birthday, Israel! #YomHaatzmaut pic.twitter.com/xgYCknqRTW

— StandWithUs (@StandWithUs) May 13, 2024