The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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Big C
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Big C said:

dimitrig said:

3 Days Since Dem Coup said:





I thought Republicans love Israel.

Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem was one of the first things Trump did.



Some people think it's easy to be a Republican, but it's not:

Can you imagine waking up every morning and having to figure out if you like Jews or you hate them?

It's rough out there, I tell you...

Just reflecting on my post above... the same could be said for the Left.

Maybe this is one of the reasons I am towards the center. I wake up every morning liking Jews!
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Cal88 said:

The "fight" started in 1947, it consists of a massive and steady ethnic cleansing, with a long series of massacres.

1948- The Deir Yassin Massacre
1948-Abu Shusha Massacre
1948-Tantura Massacre
1948-Lydda Massacre
1948- Saliha Massacre
1948- AL Dawayima Massacre
1953-Qibya Massacre
1956-Kafr Qasim Massacre
1956- Khan Yunis Massacre
1956-Rafah Massacre
1970-Bahr El Baqar Massacre
1982-Sabra and Shatila Massacre
1990- AL Aqsa Massacre
1994- The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre Massacre
2002- Jenin Refugee Camp Massacre
Gaza Massacre 2008-2009,
Gaza 2012,
Gaza 2014,
Gaza 2018, 2019 2021,
Gaza 2023 and 2024

This last edition has been particularly savage.



That is the most incredible Middle East timeline I've ever seen. According to you, Hamas/the PLO/Palestinians have never done a single thing wrong between 1948 and 2024. Not one terrorist attack. Not one war started. Yet, strangely, despite your absurd narrative, the vast majority of the world regards Hamas as a terrorist (and tyrannical) organization. I am literally laughing out loud.

And to answer your separate post - yes, Hamas is responsible for all of the death and suffering post 10/7/23. Every single death and all of the suffering was caused by Hamas. Hamas declared war on 10/7 and is still holding hostages. Every consequence flows from that.
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Donald "Kill 'Em All Let God Sort 'Em Out" tRump:



*As per usual, the operative word in tRump's telephone interview was "Me," a red flag of toxic narcissism.
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bearister said:

Donald "Kill 'Em All Let God Sort 'Em Out" tRump:



*As per usual, the operative word in tRump's telephone interview was "Me," a red flag of toxic narcissism.
In this case, he's absolutely correct. There would have been a lot less death and less suffering had Biden and his cronies not hamstrung Israel and sent messages of weakness. Had the messaging from the US been different, Hamas would have been far more willing to negotiate and possibly settle. Instead, the US has essentially rewarded Hamas by making demands only of Israel.

And had no settlement been reached, there would have been less death and suffering had Israel moved quickly to win the war.
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Netanyahu warns Harris' comments may harm ceasefire, hostage deal talks


https://www.axios.com/2024/07/26/israel-netanyahu-harris-ceasefire-hostage-deal-talks



Oops! Bibi is much happier with Donald "Let'em Finish the Job" tRump than he is with Harris. How do Leftists turned tRumpists reconcile this with what appeared to be their overriding concern for the health and welfare of the Palestinian people? Was that alleged concern just a facade hiding the main goal: blowing up the system by installing tRump to pave the way for their revolution?
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bearister said:

Netanyahu warns Harris' comments may harm ceasefire, hostage deal talks


https://www.axios.com/2024/07/26/israel-netanyahu-harris-ceasefire-hostage-deal-talks



Oops! Bibi is much happier with Donald "Let'em Finish the Job" tRump than he is with Harris. How do Leftists turned tRumpists reconcile this with what appeared to be their overriding concern for the health and welfare of the Palestinian people? Was that alleged concern just a facade hiding the main goal: blowing up the system by installing tRump to pave the way for their revolution?
It's been obvious for years that Netanyahu wants Republicans to win. He openly campaigned against Obama. He now clearly supports Trump. Dumb*ss pro-Palestine leftists still want to claim there's no difference between the parties.
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Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?
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dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.


Wouldn't Israel be playing into their hands? Why attack someone who is provoking you to attack?

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dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.


Wouldn't Israel be playing into their hands? Why attack someone who is provoking you to attack?




I think they showed reserve when responding to the provocations until the recent one where Hamas invaded and murdered, raped, and kidnapped Israelis. Not sure how they will handle the recent one where Hezbollah murdered a bunch of kids playing soccer, despite not really being at war with Israel (outside of the usual and ongoing Islamic Jihad where Hezbollah and Hamas wish death upon Israel).

Maybe the Easter Bunny and Kamala Harris can bring peace to the region?
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dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.


Wouldn't Israel be playing into their hands? Why attack someone who is provoking you to attack?



If you are unable to answer your own question, please pick up a book on game theory to understand what happens when you don't respond to a major attack. Hint: the problem doesn't magically disappear.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.


Wouldn't Israel be playing into their hands? Why attack someone who is provoking you to attack?



If you are unable to answer your own question, please pick up a book on game theory to understand what happens when you don't respond to a major attack. Hint: the problem doesn't magically disappear.


Do you think the US response to the WTC bombings was a good idea?

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oski003 said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.


Wouldn't Israel be playing into their hands? Why attack someone who is provoking you to attack?




I think they showed reserve when responding to the provocations until the recent one where Hamas invaded and murdered, raped, and kidnapped Israelis. Not sure how they will handle the recent one where Hezbollah murdered a bunch of kids playing soccer, despite not really being at war with Israel (outside of the usual and ongoing Islamic Jihad where Hezbollah and Hamas wish death upon Israel).

Maybe the Easter Bunny and Kamala Harris can bring peace to the region?


What might bring peace to the region is the American public being better informed about what has been going on in Palestine since the 1940s.

Nearly every assumption about what went down in and around the Gaza war turned out to be wrong, like the allegations of Palestinians using baby dolls to fake toddler killings by the Israelis, or that the Palestinians were bombing their own hospitals, or that the Israelis bombed a hospital because of a Hamas tunnel or weapons being stored there. rather than their policy of bombing every hospital, every school, every campus in a mass ethnic cleansing project, or that Hamas beheaded 40 babies.

All these lies were propaganda narratives created by Israeli outlets and relayed uncritically by the MSM and crooked politicians like Biden, Hillary or Speaker Johnson and countless other GOP tools who have repeated the fabrication about the 40 beheaded babies.

In reality, the Israelis have gone on to burn alive, dismember and crush to death literally thousands of Palestinian babies, with the lies they have diffused covering their ongoing industrial scale massacre of Gazans.

As well, it is not Hezbollah that is provoking Israel, it is the other way around. Israel wants to use the US taxpayer and US military power to destroy Lebanon and wage war on Iran, the same way they got the US to invade and destroy Iraq, Syria and even Libya. Trillions of dollars, millions of innocent lives lost in their Endless Wars for Israel agenda. This is what this current campaign against Lebanon and Iran, the latest chapters in that agenda, is all about.

Oh and the latest incident in the Golan with the dead kids? The victims were Syrians from the occupied Golan Heights, not Israelis. They were clearly not targeted by Hezbollah, which denied being responsible, and were most likely Israeli AA Iron Dome missiles falling down.


British journalist Jonathan Cook on this incident and its intentional miscoverage:


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BBC coverage of the attack on a football pitch in the Golan Heights has been intentionally misleading.

The BBC's evening news entirely ignored the fact that those killed by the blast are 12 Syrians, not Israeli citizens, and that for decades the Syrian population in the Golan has been forced to live unwillingly under an Israeli military occupation.

I suppose mention of this context might complicate the story Israel and the BBC wish to tell and risk reminding viewers that Israel is a belligerent state occupying not just Palestinian territory but Syrian territory too (not to mention nearby Lebanese territory).

It might suggest to audiences that these various permanent Israeli occupations have been contributing not only to large-scale human rights abuses but to regional tensions as well. That Israel's acts of aggression against its neighbours might be the cause of "conflict", rather than, as Israel and the BBC would have us believe, some kind of normal, pre-emptive form of self-defence.

The BBC, of course, chose to uncritically air comments from a military spokesman for Israel, who blamed Hizbullah for the blast in the Golan.

Daniel Hagari tried to milk the incident for maximum propaganda value, arguing: "This attack shows the true face of Hizbullah, a terrorist organisation that targets and murders children playing soccer."

Except, as the BBC forgot to note, in 2014 Israel infamously targeted and murdered four young children from the Bakr family playing football on a beach in Gaza.

And much more recently, video footage showed Israel striking yet more children playing football at a school in Gaza that was serving as a shelter for families whose homes were destroyed by earlier Israeli bombs.

Doubtless other strikes in Gaza over the past 10 months, so many of them targeting school-shelters, have killed Palestinian children playing football especially as it's one of the very few ways they can take their mind off the horror all around.

So, should we and the BBC not conclude that all these attacks on children playing football make the Israeli military even more of a terrorist organisation than Hizbullah?

The BBC next went to Jerusalem to hear from diplomatic editor Paul Adams. He intoned gravely:

"This is precisely what we have been worrying about for the past 10 months that something of this magnitude would occur on the northern border, that would turn what has been a simmering conflict for all of these months into an all-out war."

So there you have it. Paul Adams and the BBC concede they haven't been worrying for the past 10 months about the genocide unfolding under their noses in Gaza, or its consequences. A genocide of Palestinians, apparently, is not something of significant "magnitude".

Only now, when Israel can exploit the deaths of Syrians forced to live under its military rule as a pretext to expand its "war", are we supposed to sit up and take notice. Or so the BBC tells us."



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oski003 said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

dimitrig said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Hezbollah just signed Lebanon's death warrant. Launching rockets at a soccer field in Northern Israel and killing 10 kids is going to cost them big time. Beirut is going to be shaking soon.


Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Hamas and Hezbollah are provoking Israel? Why might they want to do that?


Has the concept of sovereignty occurred to you? If you start a war you better damn have a better plan than crying to the UN for a ceasefire. If the Sinaloa cartel launched an attack that killed 10 kids on a soccer field in San Diego and Mexico didn't immediately move to crush the cartel, you better believe that US tanks would be rumbling through Mexico City and anywhere else to do the job themselves. Unfortunately, due to Iran, hezbollah has more firepower than the official Lebanese govt so there is no choice but to strike.


Wouldn't Israel be playing into their hands? Why attack someone who is provoking you to attack?




I think they showed reserve when responding to the provocations until the recent one where Hamas invaded and murdered, raped, and kidnapped Israelis. Not sure how they will handle the recent one where Hezbollah murdered a bunch of kids playing soccer, despite not really being at war with Israel (outside of the usual and ongoing Islamic Jihad where Hezbollah and Hamas wish death upon Israel).

Maybe the Easter Bunny and Kamala Harris can bring peace to the region?

"bringing peace to the region"... is that what they call it nowadays?!? heh heh ...
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Good riddance to this jihadist garbage. Incredible intelligence to knock him out. Amazingly, despite being involved in killing 241 Marines in Beirut in 1983, the US never took him out.

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As British journalist Cook has written above, the 12 Arab children killed in a rocket explosion in the Golan village near the Lebanese border are not likely to have been targeted by Hezbollah.





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Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh assassinated in Tehran, Iran says - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-tehran-iran-says/
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bearister said:

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh assassinated in Tehran, Iran says - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-tehran-iran-says/

An all time classic!!!! Can't script it any better than to deliver the knockout right in the hornet's nest!!!
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bearister said:

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh assassinated in Tehran, Iran says - CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-tehran-iran-says/

That was fast.
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It makes you wonder who collected the $5,000,000 bounty for dropping the dime on ole Ismail that got him turned into a Post Toastie.

Fuad Shukr was another $5M phone call.
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Who did the deal?

Think Iran hits back hard? And does Turkey jump in?
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bearister said:

It makes you wonder who collected the $5,000,000 bounty for dropping the dime on ole Ismail that got him turned into a Post Toastie.

Fuad Shukr was another $5M phone call.

For sure Tamar Rabinyan, aka Jila Gorbanifar had a hand in the hit. She is one bad bad girl.

https://images.app.goo.gl/cHdWkyReeCJ7cA2V6


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Hamas says its political leader assassinated in Iran


https://www.axios.com/2024/07/31/hamas-ismail-haniyeh-killed-iran
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Cal88 said:

As British journalist Cook has written above, the 12 Arab children killed in a rocket explosion in the Golan village near the Lebanese border are not likely to have been targeted by Hezbollah.







Do you have a brain?

Hezbollah has been firing missiles/drones at Israel for months including incendiary devices that created massive fires. Israel had to relocate 80,000+ citizens due to this. Unequivocally, Hezbollah is in violation of the UN resolution requiring it to withdraw from the border.

Given all of these acts of war, Israel did and does not need any additional justification for responding with acts of war. It did not need to bomb its own citizens to have a "pretext" for war and/or killing Hamas/Hezbollah leaders. If anything, bombing druze would potentially help Hezbollah/Syria by driving a wedge between the druze community and other Israeli citizens.

And just for the record, Hezbollah doesn't "target" anything specific with its missiles. They aren't that accurate. They just fire them indiscriminately hoping to create terror and death.

If you're going to advance mendacious arguments, you should at least try to fashion a logical argument. But you can't.
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Do you support Israel using white phosphorus bombs on civilians?
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

As British journalist Cook has written above, the 12 Arab children killed in a rocket explosion in the Golan village near the Lebanese border are not likely to have been targeted by Hezbollah.







Do you have a brain?

Hezbollah has been firing missiles/drones at Israel for months including incendiary devices that created massive fires. Israel had to relocate 80,000+ citizens due to this. Unequivocally, Hezbollah is in violation of the UN resolution requiring it to withdraw from the border.

Given all of these acts of war, Israel did and does not need any additional justification for responding with acts of war. It did not need to bomb its own citizens to have a "pretext" for war and/or killing Hamas/Hezbollah leaders. If anything, bombing druze would potentially help Hezbollah/Syria by driving a wedge between the druze community and other Israeli citizens.

And just for the record, Hezbollah doesn't "target" anything specific with its missiles. They aren't that accurate. They just fire them indiscriminately hoping to create terror and death.

If you're going to advance mendacious arguments, you should at least try to fashion a logical argument. But you can't.
Expecting Caliphate88 to acknowledge reality is like asking the Hamas politburo to reform their jihadist worldviews. It's not going to happen. He will go on promoting a caliphate of terror to further whatever twisted marxist ideology has irreversibly infected his brain.
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Israel's assassinations increase danger of war with Iran and Hezbollah


https://www.axios.com/2024/08/02/israel-iran-war-risk-hamas-killing
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Tom Cotton as Secretary of Defense will have the backs of the Palestinians.*




*In the trunk of his car.
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Is this why the Harris campaign didn't pick Shapiro as VP?
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Of course Caliphate88 is posting Hamas jihadist propaganda like the lying Jew hater he is. Good riddance to more terrorists.


 
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