What post got removed? I am unaware of that.*

A MAGA calling me unhinged? You support a political movement funded by the richest man in the world and other billionaires for no other reason than they want tax cuts and any tech industry regulation legislation vetoed.

They are suckering the working class into voting for their candidate by, among other methods, putting on an RNC that cynically panders to people with the emotional maturity and intellectual capacity of a 10 year old boy….and I'm the one that's unhinged?

You are a witness to and a participant in our country being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.

*How long do you think it will take auto workers to figure out that tRump lied to them about bludgeoning the EV industry? I'm thinking that they are going to be standing on the platform watching the train pull out of the station while they scratch their rear ends…..and that a few of them will figure out that they were "had" when they see tRump hang the Medal of Freedom around Musk's neck.

*If a post got removed it is because you flagged it…which is even a bigger whiny little b@itch move than putting someone on "Ignore" that you disagree with.

So, I guess we have bipartisan concensus that was the worst acceptance speech ever.

My jaw is on the floor.

This doesn’t feel like a political rally. It reads as something far more sinister when you have thousands of people chanting “SEND THEM BACK” and proudly waving their “MASS DEPORTATION NOW” signs in the air. pic.twitter.com/BZvx7swhaG

— Tim Young (@Young25Tim) July 18, 2024

Who is he talking to?

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The physical manifestation of moral rot:

The startling MAGAfication of Matt Gaetz and Kimberly Guilfoyle. (Daily Mail) pic.twitter.com/75MPh2a46r

— Mike Sington (@MikeSington) July 19, 2024

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Matt Gaetz... love that guy. I mean, I love him representing the GOP (and the great state of Florida).

Some weeks ago, on Real Time, Bill Maher was going to do some sort of joke with Kimberly Guilfoyle in it and her picture went up on the screen: the studio audience started laughing even before he started the joke.

Hey, she's enemies with VP Harris from their SF law days, right? Could be some fun stuff coming up.

When Newsom's in private and has had a few, I wonder what he says about her... or if his buddies give him hard time.

At least Kamala tried a murder case or two. Guilfoyle carried Deputy DA Jim Hammer's briefcase in the case where a pair of Presa Canarios killed Diane Whipple. That is as close as she got to prosecuting a murder case…..and from there it was puff the f@uck out of her resume.

I think Gavin Newsom is a gentleman and would not speak ill of his ex. On the other hand, if Guilfoyle had to bear false witness against her ex if he was a threat to a candidate with the last name tRump, I doubt she would hesitate. She seems to be at the "keep people herded in the Kool Aid line with a long gun" level of commitment.

So, agreeing to use a person's preferred pronouns and name is "Transitioning someone's gender in secret"?


Wow. So if I call you "She" am I guilty of transitioning your gender ( whatever the f that means) in public? I think I will experiment: I will commence to refer to all right wing clowns on BI as "she/her/hers" and if any of you become female, be sure to let me know.

I'm also assigning new names. Yours is Maude.

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So, agreeing to use a person's preferred pronouns and name is "Transitioning someone's gender in secret"?


Wow. So if I call you "She" am I guilty of transitioning your gender ( whatever the f that means) in public? I think I will experiment: I will commence to refer to all right wing clowns on BI as "she/her/hers" and if any of you become female, be sure to let me know.

I'm also assigning new names. Yours is Maude.

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We aren't young children that you are with eight hours per day, thank God.

If only she was this curious when Arnold was banging their maid.

— MAZE (@mazemoore) July 19, 2024

Democrats going to Democrat.

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You are a witness to and a participant in our country being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.

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Hulk Hogan goes FULL MAGA, delivers EPIC RNC speech: "Let Trumpamania make America great again!"https://t.co/YKVZn0WSVH

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) July 19, 2024

You are a witness to the symbolic moment when MAGA took over the GOP.

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*If a post got removed it is because you flagged it…which is even a bigger whiny little b@itch move than putting someone on "Ignore" that you disagree with.

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No more Shiela Jackson Lee jokes from you for another week at least!

Not really the issue here, but right wing clowns aren't known for their clarity of focus and depth of understanding. They prefer the "It makes me uncomfortable, therefore I must demonize it" approach to difficult topics.

I would try to explain to you how middle school is one of the most difficult times for a kid. Even the most well adjusted kids have difficulties during this stage of life.

I'm going to ask you to do something that many in your tribe find very difficult: empathize. Imagine how hard life is for a 13 year old that doesn't feel right in their own skin. Isn't sure who they are and how they fit in to the big picture. Hopefully they have understanding and supportive parents who will talk this out with them, and listen, and support, and get them the professional support they need during an already difficult time.

But not all parents will do this. And even a pea brain like you can imagine the many negative reactions a parent might have when their child asks "Maybe I'm not what I seem."

So imagine how it might feel to those kids when an understanding teacher, and a tolerant school district respects their wishes and uses the preferred pronouns and name. This is not transitioning gender in secret. I am sorry if any of this makes you uncomfortable, but not sorry at all.

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Not really the issue here, but right wing clowns aren't known for their clarity of focus and depth of understanding. They prefer the "It makes me uncomfortable, therefore I must demonize it" approach to difficult topics.

I would try to explain to you how middle school is one of the most difficult times for a kid. Even the most well adjusted kids have difficulties during this stage of life.

I'm going to ask you to do something that many in your tribe find very difficult: empathize. Imagine how hard life is for a 13 year old that doesn't feel right in their own skin. Isn't sure who they are and how they fit in to the big picture. Hopefully they have understanding and supportive parents who will talk this out with them, and listen, and support, and get them the professional support they need during an already difficult time.

But not all parents will do this. And even a pea brain like you can imagine the many negative reactions a parent might have when their child asks "Maybe I'm not what I seem."

So imagine how it might feel to those kids when an understanding teacher, and a tolerant school district respects their wishes and uses the preferred pronouns and name. This is not transitioning gender in secret. I am sorry if any of this makes you uncomfortable, but not sorry at all.

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I agree that middle school, ages 10-13, can be a difficult time for a kid. I too hope that a kid has understanding and supportive parents. If a kid needs professional support, hopefully the school will discuss that with their parents. If a school feels that a child identifies as the opposite gender they were born with, they should notify the kid's parents. If the parents are supportive, they should then call the child by a different name or gender they were born with. If the school feels the parents are a danger to their child's physical and/or emotional health, there should be resources for the school and child available.

You really don't get it. I hope you never have anyone in your life that needs empathy and understanding from you, because you just aren't capable of it.

Why is it the job of the school to tell a parent that their kid has asked friends at school to use a different name? Why does that frighten you so much to the point you need to sue a school and further demonize teachers?

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You really don't get it. I hope you never have anyone in your life that needs empathy and understanding from you, because you just aren't capable of it.

Why is it the job of the school to tell a parent that their kid has asked friends at school to use a different name? Why does that frighten you so much to the point you need to sue a school and further demonize teachers?

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it is not the job of the school to tell a parent that their kid has asked friends at school to use a different name. Your next statement doesn't apply since you are basing it off of something I never claimed. I can provide understanding and empathy. Thanks.

You and 88 and all the parents who bring lawsuits claim that respecting a kid's wishes and using a preferred name and pronouns at school results in a secret gender transition instigated by evil teachers. Apparently words can preform complicated surgery.

AunBear89 said:

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You and 88 and all the parents who bring lawsuits claim that respecting a kid's wishes and using a preferred name and pronouns at school results in a secret gender transition instigated by evil teachers. Apparently words can preform complicated surgery.

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Again, a simple Google search. Why are you acting so ignorantly?

Gender transition is the process of changing one's gender presentation or sex characteristics to align with their internal sense of gender identity. This can include living according to their gender identity, rather than the gender they were assigned at birth. The process can be individualized and look different for each person, and can take months to years.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+transition&oq=gender+transition+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDwgAEEUYORiRAhiABBiKBTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABDIHCAoQABiABDIHCAsQABiABDIHCAwQABiABDIHCA0QABiABDIHCA4QABiABNIBCDI4MzlqMGo3qAIUsAIB&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

You can shove your pedantry up your ass, you sanctimonious pr/ck.


I know and understand everything that you pretend to understand about this topic.

Many of the people who go through this transition refer to it as a journey because it does not happen overnight and requires decisions and possible detours along the way.

If a teacher has a student that is starting this journey with the pronouns and name, the teacher has to asses how to address this topic with the family. Not all parents are supportive. You would probably be shocked, and then make up excuse why I must be wrong, if I could make you understand how many parents are not supportive, and can be quite the opposite, of their children. It's not uncommon to even have a mix: one parent is engaged to some degree, while the other is oblivious/uninvolved/etc. The teacher must factor all of this in to their decision making process.

This is a likely and foreseeable conversation with a less than supportive parent:

"Joe has asked us to start calling him Jane and she/her."
"Oh, hell no! That is not happening. No son of ours is gonna become a limp wristed sissy. Thanks for letting us know. We will 'deal' with this when we get home."

Also, is it your opinion this conversation should happen with the kid in the room, so the kid can be further shamed and confused and intimidated by unsupportive parents?

Your blanket insistence that parents need to be told as soon as Joe thinks he wants to be called Jane, or even Jay, shows just how compassionate and empathetic you are. I hope your kids nev r have anything difficult to discuss with you. It isn't their fault their father is an intolerant and thoroughly ignorant moron.

Sounds Like Fiction: “Rupert was in an ornery mood. He was lashing out at event staff and spewing profanity. At one point Don Jr’s face appeared on the Jumbotron and Rupert shook his fist and screamed something unintelligible,”https://t.co/HRLAEFgTQr via @BreitbartNews

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) July 20, 2024

Why so mad?

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). I was happy to oblige, but when I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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In the scenario you described, I think you handled it right. But that is not the scenario we're discussing. In your scenario, the parents either knew or or you openly disclosed what you were doing in terms of names (maybe both?).

Gender dysphoria is a medical/mental health condition. The new law says that districts can't have a policy requiring teachers to disclose the medical condition to parents. Why? With any other medical condition, the school would in fact report it to the parent. And if you believe that students with gender dysphoria are more prone to suicide/self harm/depression/etc., then all the more reason why the parent must be informed.

To the original point, if you don't want teachers/government officials interfering with your parental teachings regarding religion/atheism/anything else, why should a school interfere with the parental relationship and teachings as applied to sexuality/gender dysphoria? It truly is a form of grooming for a teacher (or other adult) to undermine the parent-child relationship.

I, as parent (and I'm guessing you as a parent and teacher), have observed a lot of what I personally regard as bad parenting. We all have our opinions. But it is not the role of another adult - particularly a teacher - to undermine a parents prerogative.

Separately, I agree with your other post. Trump's closing speech was a disaster for him and reminded everyone why he's so unappealing.

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). When I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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People like BearGoggles want that kid's parents to have the opportunity to domineer the teenager. The way BearGoggles wants it, there will be more abuse. But MAGAts are fine with abuse of "those" people.

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No - I want the parents to be fully informed about their child so they can make proper parenting and medical decisions. What is abusive is for a teacher to know a student is struggling with a mental health and/or medical condition and to not help them by involving the parents. What is outrageous is you (and some teachers) think that you are entitled to make parenting decisions with respect to other kids.

You really are a nasty demagogue. I've known that, but nonetheless sometimes you truly outdo yourself.

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). I was happy to oblige, but when I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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In the scenario you described, I think you handled it right. But that is not the scenario we're discussing. In your scenario, the parents either knew or or you openly disclosed what you were doing in terms of names (maybe both?).

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Did he? He said he used the name the student wanted with the student. Then separately when the dad used the student's "girl's name" later he didn't say anything either way? Or maybe I'm wrong and Big C can clarify.

If not, some people certainly would consider his failure to report the non-binary name to the parents a grave mistake.

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It truly is a form of grooming for a teacher (or other adult) to undermine the parent-child relationship.

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Why use this word? It has a pretty widely-understood connotation and that is "preparing a child to have a sexual relationship with the adult." Using a kid's preferred pronouns at school without telling the parents is not that. You'll make your points much better if you avoid this kind of language.

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). When I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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People like BearGoggles want that kid's parents to have the opportunity to domineer the teenager. The way BearGoggles wants it, there will be more abuse. But MAGAts are fine with abuse of "those" people.

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No - I want the parents to be fully informed about their child so they can make proper parenting and medical decisions. What is abusive is for a teacher to know a student is struggling with a mental health and/or medical condition and to not help them by involving the parents. What is outrageous is you (and some teachers) think that you are entitled to make parenting decisions with respect to other kids.

You really are a nasty demagogue. I've known that, but nonetheless sometimes you truly outdo yourself.

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You can't have it both ways. Either Big C did the right thing or you want teachers to proactively out teenagers to their parents. Big C stayed out of it - as he should. So we agree on that.

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BearGoggles said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). When I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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People like BearGoggles want that kid's parents to have the opportunity to domineer the teenager. The way BearGoggles wants it, there will be more abuse. But MAGAts are fine with abuse of "those" people.

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No - I want the parents to be fully informed about their child so they can make proper parenting and medical decisions. What is abusive is for a teacher to know a student is struggling with a mental health and/or medical condition and to not help them by involving the parents. What is outrageous is you (and some teachers) think that you are entitled to make parenting decisions with respect to other kids.

You really are a nasty demagogue. I've known that, but nonetheless sometimes you truly outdo yourself.

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You can't have it both ways. Either Big C did the right thing or you want teachers to proactively out teenagers to their parents. Big C stayed out of it - as he should. So we agree on that.

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Just to clarify, the student told me that they would like to go by "X" (gender neutral name) and seemed to present as non-binary (or maybe trans male*). There was no discussion of pronouns or anything like that. When I talked to the dad, I first referred to her as X. After that, he called her by her "girl name" and I didn't make an issue of gender, one way or the other..

What's notable is, that was only ten years ago and in that fairly short amount of time, it's become a much bigger deal. In all-teacher meetings, we never talked about gender, but I bet they do now (I retired a few years ago).


* regarding "trans", it seems like a boy can present as "not traditionally masculine" and a girl can present as "not traditionally feminine" without the need for us to label them. Especially before the teen years, it seems like we should worry a lot less about gender and gender labels. They can just be "kids" and wear the clothes they want and do the activities they want without everybody else making a big deal out of it. After that, they can start to decide for themselves whatever they want to "be", hopefully with love and support.

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BearGoggles said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). When I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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People like BearGoggles want that kid's parents to have the opportunity to domineer the teenager. The way BearGoggles wants it, there will be more abuse. But MAGAts are fine with abuse of "those" people.

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No - I want the parents to be fully informed about their child so they can make proper parenting and medical decisions. What is abusive is for a teacher to know a student is struggling with a mental health and/or medical condition and to not help them by involving the parents. What is outrageous is you (and some teachers) think that you are entitled to make parenting decisions with respect to other kids.

You really are a nasty demagogue. I've known that, but nonetheless sometimes you truly outdo yourself.

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You can't have it both ways. Either Big C did the right thing or you want teachers to proactively out teenagers to their parents. Big C stayed out of it - as he should. So we agree on that.

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Just to clarify, the student told me that they would like to go by "X" (gender neutral name) and seemed to present as non-binary (or maybe trans male*). There was no discussion of pronouns or anything like that. When I talked to the dad, I first referred to her as X. After that, he called her by her "girl name" and I didn't make an issue of gender, one way or the other..

What's notable is, that was only ten years ago and in that fairly short amount of time, it's become a much bigger deal. In all-teacher meetings, we never talked about gender, but I bet they do now (I retired a few years ago).


* regarding "trans", it seems like a boy can present as "not traditionally masculine" and a girl can present as "not traditionally feminine" without the need for us to label them. Especially before the teen years, it seems like we should worry a lot less about gender and gender labels. They can just be kids. After that, they can start to decide for themselves whenever they want, hopefully with love and support.

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Yes, I read you right the first time. I don't know what BearGoggles confusion is. It seems to me we have bipartisan consensus that teachers should not be outing teenagers to their parents.

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BearGoggles said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

---

Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). When I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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People like BearGoggles want that kid's parents to have the opportunity to domineer the teenager. The way BearGoggles wants it, there will be more abuse. But MAGAts are fine with abuse of "those" people.

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No - I want the parents to be fully informed about their child so they can make proper parenting and medical decisions. What is abusive is for a teacher to know a student is struggling with a mental health and/or medical condition and to not help them by involving the parents. What is outrageous is you (and some teachers) think that you are entitled to make parenting decisions with respect to other kids.

You really are a nasty demagogue. I've known that, but nonetheless sometimes you truly outdo yourself.

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You can't have it both ways. Either Big C did the right thing or you want teachers to proactively out teenagers to their parents. Big C stayed out of it - as he should. So we agree on that.

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I'm sorry this is so hard for your partisan mind.

Big C did not hide the new name from the parent or the fact that he was using the name. That is the point. The potential lack of disclosure to the parent.

Some school districts adopted policies that required teachers to report this to parents. The state law prevents that and also affirmatively says that students have an right of privacy independent of their parents. That's absurd.

If a parent goes to a school official and asks "Is my child exhibiting signs of gender dysphoria, gender confusion or for that matter any signs of mental/physical distress, then the teacher needs to answer that question. And if a district wants to adopt a policy for affirmative disclosure, that should be fine.

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). I was happy to oblige, but when I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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In the scenario you described, I think you handled it right. But that is not the scenario we're discussing. In your scenario, the parents either knew or or you openly disclosed what you were doing in terms of names (maybe both?).

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Did he? He said he used the name the student wanted with the student. Then separately when the dad used the student's "girl's name" later he didn't say anything either way? Or maybe I'm wrong and Big C can clarify.

If not, some people certainly would consider his failure to report the non-binary name to the parents a grave mistake.

Also, this . . .

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It truly is a form of grooming for a teacher (or other adult) to undermine the parent-child relationship.

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Why use this word? It has a pretty widely-understood connotation and that is "preparing a child to have a sexual relationship with the adult." Using a kid's preferred pronouns at school without telling the parents is not that. You'll make your points much better if you avoid this kind of language.

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Grooming does not need to be sexual. It can simply refer to attempting to intrude on the parent-child relationship by creating a "special relationship", often to interpose practices or beliefs at odds with the parents' intentions. To the original point, if a teacher sought to forge a confidential relationship to impose/encourage a particular belief (such as a religious belief), I think most people would have a problem with that. And that is grooming.

Lower school teachers (k-12) should teach academics and lets face it, in California they do a bad job of that in many places., In today's world, lots of young people have gender/sexual confusion. It is not for a teacher (or other school official) to unilaterally decide how that situation should be addressed or to prevent a parent from having full information about their child. That applies even if (and I would say especially when) the teacher has a different view than the parents. The parents get to decide.

Funny that people claiming to oppose authoritarianism and fascism can't see this.

tRump's base is so f@ucking clueless that he can outright tell them he is f@ucking them over in favor of the really rich guys and they still don't get it….and they clap robustly:

Trump: Elon Musk gives me $45 million a month. We have to make life good for people like him pic.twitter.com/Rz3zvkzD8Z

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) July 20, 2024

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dajo9 said:

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BearGoggles said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

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Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). When I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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People like BearGoggles want that kid's parents to have the opportunity to domineer the teenager. The way BearGoggles wants it, there will be more abuse. But MAGAts are fine with abuse of "those" people.

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No - I want the parents to be fully informed about their child so they can make proper parenting and medical decisions. What is abusive is for a teacher to know a student is struggling with a mental health and/or medical condition and to not help them by involving the parents. What is outrageous is you (and some teachers) think that you are entitled to make parenting decisions with respect to other kids.

You really are a nasty demagogue. I've known that, but nonetheless sometimes you truly outdo yourself.

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You can't have it both ways. Either Big C did the right thing or you want teachers to proactively out teenagers to their parents. Big C stayed out of it - as he should. So we agree on that.

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I'm sorry this is so hard for your partisan mind.

Big C did not hide the new name from the parent or the fact that he was using the name. That is the point. The potential lack of disclosure to the parent.

Some school districts adopted policies that required teachers to report this to parents. The state law prevents that and also affirmatively says that students have an right of privacy independent of their parents. That's absurd.

If a parent goes to a school official and asks "Is my child exhibiting signs of gender dysphoria, gender confusion or for that matter any signs of mental/physical distress, then the teacher needs to answer that question. And if a district wants to adopt a policy for affirmative disclosure, that should be fine.

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We both agree Big C did the right thing in not getting involved either way in the teenager / parent relationship in that matter. That's how it should be. Im not sure why you cant agree that we both agree on that.

If there are school requirements and laws that don't differentiate between ages then those are poor requirements / laws from both sides in my opinion.

BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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BearGoggles said:

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Big C said:

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Eric Trump: "Our children WILL love God!"

Dear Eric:

My children might love God and they might not, but it's not you, your father or the government who are going to decide for them. That's not the way it works here.

---

Can you please send this same message to Gavin Newsome and the democrat dominated legislature? I'm looking forward to your criticizing them for intruding on parental rights.

And just to be clear, do you criticize and oppose the recent CA law banning parental notification?

https://apnews.com/article/gender-identity-schools-california-law-af387bef5c25c14f51d1cf05a7e422eb

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There is some connection here, but in general, the analogy isn't working for me. Eric Trump is saying that kids WILL do something (something that seems to violate the Constitution). Gavin Newsom (note spelling) is saying that kids in school can be something w/o their parents being automatically informed.

I have a daughter and son in middle school and high school, respectively: Can you give me a hypothetical case study that I can relate to?

As a teacher, I had a ~15 year old student (this is about 10 years ago, as things were still evolving... heck they still are, maybe back the other way), who was listed on the roster as female and had a female name on the roster. Said student seemed non-binary or transgender male and told me they would prefer to be called "x" (gender neutral name). I was happy to oblige, but when I spoke to their dad at Back to School Night, he referred to his kid as "girl's name as listed on the roster". I didn't make a big deal of it either way and sort of went with the flow. Do you think I should have done something differently? If so, what?

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In the scenario you described, I think you handled it right. But that is not the scenario we're discussing. In your scenario, the parents either knew or or you openly disclosed what you were doing in terms of names (maybe both?).

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Did he? He said he used the name the student wanted with the student. Then separately when the dad used the student's "girl's name" later he didn't say anything either way? Or maybe I'm wrong and Big C can clarify.

If not, some people certainly would consider his failure to report the non-binary name to the parents a grave mistake.

Also, this . . .

Quote:

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It truly is a form of grooming for a teacher (or other adult) to undermine the parent-child relationship.

---

Why use this word? It has a pretty widely-understood connotation and that is "preparing a child to have a sexual relationship with the adult." Using a kid's preferred pronouns at school without telling the parents is not that. You'll make your points much better if you avoid this kind of language.

---

Grooming does not need to be sexual. It can simply refer to attempting to intrude on the parent-child relationship by creating a "special relationship", often to interpose practices or beliefs at odds with the parents' intentions. To the original point, if a teacher sought to forge a confidential relationship to impose/encourage a particular belief (such as a religious belief), I think most people would have a problem with that. And that is grooming.

Lower school teachers (k-12) should teach academics and lets face it, in California they do a bad job of that in many places., In today's world, lots of young people have gender/sexual confusion. It is not for a teacher (or other school official) to unilaterally decide how that situation should be addressed or to prevent a parent from having full information about their child. That applies even if (and I would say especially when) the teacher has a different view than the parents. The parents get to decide.

Funny that people claiming to oppose authoritarianism and fascism can't see this.

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I don't think a kid coming to a teacher and asking to be called by a different name/pronoun is an example of that teacher "imposing" anything on the kid. The kid already had the belief coming in. So no, I don't think that is grooming.

Also, let's not be naive and ignore that a lot of people are going to take that word with a sexual connotation, because that's how it is usually used in this context. I think that's intentional on the part of the right wing, and I don't care for it. We shouldn't conflate sexual crimes against children with other political stuff you don't like.

bearister said:

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tRump's base is so f@ucking clueless that he can outright tell them he is f@ucking them over in favor of the really rich guys and they still don't get it….and they clap robustly:

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You are not alone.

Help is available, 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. pic.twitter.com/Nf3TrMlrPz

— President Biden (@POTUS) July 20, 2024

bearister said:

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A MAGA calling me unhinged? You support a political movement funded by the richest man in the world and other billionaires for no other reason than they want tax cuts and any tech industry regulation legislation vetoed.

You are a witness to and a participant in our country being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.

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You went from Russia hoax to now this in 4 years? You have no mind outside your programming.

pic.twitter.com/uCFhGreViO

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 20, 2024

White Lives Matter.

Even if JD Vance doesn’t think so. pic.twitter.com/Tpmxy0HQOR

— Arthur Kwon Lee (@arthurkwonlee) July 18, 2024

Everything changed in less than 36 hours from this moment.