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9:38p, 3/10/25



Hmm…this guy sounds anti-Semitic, pro Hamas. Arrest him
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 9:44a, 3/11/25
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Hmm…this guy sounds anti-Semitic, pro Hamas. Arrest him
The arguments I can find in favor of his arrest keep claiming that he "supported Hamas," but the only evidence anyone can produce is that he led protests and spoke in favor of Palestine and against Israel. That's not really material support that is supposed to lead to criminal prosecution, that's just speech. Unless someone can prove that this guy donated money to terrorist orgs or something, this is simply an attempt by the government to stop speech they don't like.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:50a, 3/11/25
It's a dry run for handling student protests against the Trump/Musk Duumvirate with the end game being….



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10:43a, 3/11/25
For all the bull**** these guys give us about free speech, they are deporting someone for speaking out against the actions of a foreign power so there is not even an issue of US security- the usual McCarthy ite excuse. Egregious and authoritarian, this should spur protests across Universities
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 10:52a, 3/11/25
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For all the bull**** these guys give us about free speech, they are deporting someone for speaking out against the actions of a foreign power so there is not even an issue of US security. Egregious and authoritarian, this should spur protests across Universities
It's pretty obvious that the right wing didn't really care about free speech, they only cared about being the ones doing the censoring.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:58a, 3/11/25
sycasey said:
Anarchistbear said:
For all the bull**** these guys give us about free speech, they are deporting someone for speaking out against the actions of a foreign power so there is not even an issue of US security. Egregious and authoritarian, this should spur protests across Universities
It's pretty obvious that the right wing didn't really care about free speech, they only cared about being the ones doing the censoring.
That's been the pattern on Twitter since Elon made it his vanity play toy. Since Elon's running the country now, it's not surprising that free speech is only for those Elon agrees with
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 11:19a, 3/11/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
sycasey said:
Anarchistbear said:
For all the bull**** these guys give us about free speech, they are deporting someone for speaking out against the actions of a foreign power so there is not even an issue of US security. Egregious and authoritarian, this should spur protests across Universities
It's pretty obvious that the right wing didn't really care about free speech, they only cared about being the ones doing the censoring.
That's been the pattern on Twitter since Elon made it his vanity play toy. Since Elon's running the country now, it's not surprising that free speech is only for those Elon agrees with
And also apparently a Senator who travels to Ukraine and expresses support for them is a "traitor" according to Elon. It all tracks.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 11:31a, 3/11/25
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sycasey said:
Anarchistbear said:
For all the bull**** these guys give us about free speech, they are deporting someone for speaking out against the actions of a foreign power so there is not even an issue of US security. Egregious and authoritarian, this should spur protests across Universities
It's pretty obvious that the right wing didn't really care about free speech, they only cared about being the ones doing the censoring.
That's been the pattern on Twitter since Elon made it his vanity play toy. Since Elon's running the country now, it's not surprising that free speech is only for those Elon agrees with

To be fair, there is less censorship of pro-Palestinian voices on X than on say Facebook.

The level of censorship is even worse in Europe, here is an example in the UK:


In Australia, you can get arrested for having a watermelon bumper sticker in support for Palestine:
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2:10p, 3/11/25

This is an interesting left vs right debate as explained in the video above. From the left, Mr. Khalil's first amendment rights are being violated and from the right, the actions and rhetoric of the group that he's associated with has violated conditions of his green card eligibility. It's free speech vs. security threat and what it means to be pro-Palestine vs. pro-Hamas.

He's sympathetic towards the concerns of the left which are legitimate concerns and also thinks the actions taken by the Trump admin are justifiable based on the available receipts.
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In reply to bear2034 • 2:55p, 3/11/25
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The only things being discussed here are basically forms of speech. Just associating with certain organizations is not supposed to be enough to get you arrested, but in this case apparently it is.
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7:45p, 3/11/25
I just think there is not a good argument for this. Leading protests in the US is a threat to national security?

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In reply to bear2034 • 8:25p, 3/11/25
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This is an interesting left vs right debate as explained in the video above. From the left, Mr. Khalil's first amendment rights are being violated and from the right, the actions and rhetoric of the group that he's associated with has violated conditions of his green card eligibility. It's free speech vs. security threat and what it means to be pro-Palestine vs. pro-Hamas.

He's sympathetic towards the concerns of the left which are legitimate concerns and also thinks the actions taken by the Trump admin are justifiable based on the available receipts.

Were you in favor of the "Patriot Act"?
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6:25a, 3/12/25


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The professor at the center of the Columbia University deportation scandal is a former Israeli intelligence official, MintPress News can reveal.

Mahmoud Khalil, a recent graduate of the university's School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA), was abducted by Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) Saturday for his role in organizing protests last year against Israel's attack on Gaza. Khalil's dean, Dr. Keren Yarhi-Milo, head of the School of International and Public Affairs, is a former Israeli military intelligence officer and official at Israel's Mission to the United Nations. Yarhi-Milo played a significant role in drumming up public concern about a supposed wave of intolerable anti-Semitism sweeping over the campus, thereby laying the groundwork for the extensive crackdown on civil liberties that has followed the protests.

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Before entering academia, Dr. Yarhi-Milo served as an officer and an intelligence analyst with the Israeli Defense Forces. Given that she was recruited into the intelligence services because of her ability to speak Arabic fluently, her job likely entailed surveilling the Arab population.
After leaving the world of intelligence, she worked for Israel's Permanent Mission to the United Nations in New York. While there, she met and married her husband, Israel's official United Nations spokesperson.


Khalil's eight-month pregnant wife was initially told that he had been taken to a facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. In fact, he had been moved halfway across the country to a center in Jena, Louisiana. Journalist Pablo Manrquez of Migrant Insider explained that ICE often goes "immigration 'judge shopping' by putting detainees in detention centers under jurisdictions of courts that very rarely decide in favor of migrants."

The very high-profile attempt to deport the holder of a Green Card because of political speech criticizing a foreign government has left many civil rights lawyers deeply worried. Alec Karakatsanis, for example, stated that "I've never seen a more clear-cut First Amendment violation, or a more flagrant government declaration of intent to violate blackletter law." "The government does not claim he committed a crime, just that he held views that the government doesn't like about Israel. Bone chilling," he added.

Schumer on point here:



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I abhor many of the opinions and policies that Mahmoud Khalil holds and supports, and have made my criticism of the antisemitic actions at Columbia loudly known. Mr. Khalil is also legal permanent resident here, and his wife, who is 8-months pregnant, is an American citizen.

While he may well be in violation of various campus rules regarding how the protests were conducted last year, that is a matter for the university to pursue, and I have encouraged them to be much more robust in how they combat antisemitism and maintain a harassment-free campus that protects the safety and security of Jewish and other students.

The Trump administration's DHS must articulate any criminal charges or facts that would justify his detention or the initiation of deportation proceedings against him. If the administration cannot prove he has violated any criminal law to justify taking this severe action and is doing it for the opinions he has expressed, then that is wrong, they are violating the First Amendment protections we all enjoy and should drop their wrongheaded action.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:46a, 3/13/25
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
The only things being discussed here are basically forms of speech. Just associating with certain organizations is not supposed to be enough to get you arrested, but in this case apparently it is.

He also said Khalil is a green card holder and non-citizen and though he has first amendment rights, he's also subjected to deportation if he espouses or endorses terrorist activity which is a condition for green card holders.

You can disagree with how these green card conditions apply in Khalil's case but you can't say that the debate is strictly a 1st amendment issue.

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:04a, 3/13/25
Cal88 said:


Were you in favor of the "Patriot Act"?

I liked it when the government went after the bad buys and disliked it when the government became the bad guys.
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In reply to bear2034 • 8:41a, 3/13/25
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:


Were you in favor of the "Patriot Act"?

I liked it when the government went after the bad buys and disliked it when the government became the bad guys.

And it gets worse when as seen above, a foreign government and its lobby go after basic constitutional rights.






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In reply to bear2034 • 9:34a, 3/13/25
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
The only things being discussed here are basically forms of speech. Just associating with certain organizations is not supposed to be enough to get you arrested, but in this case apparently it is.

He also said Khalil is a green card holder and non-citizen and though he has first amendment rights, he's also subjected to deportation if he espouses or endorses terrorist activity which is a condition for green card holders.

You can disagree with how these green card conditions apply in Khalil's case but you can't say that the debate is strictly a 1st amendment issue.

Maybe it's time to listen to your boy Glenn Greenwald.

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11:03a, 3/13/25


More terrorists
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 11:19a, 3/13/25
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More terrorists
Much like Chuck Schumer, I think Trump will declare all of these people Palestinians.
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6:41a, 3/14/25
Conservatives never really believed in free speech, as I've been saying.

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In reply to sycasey • 6:47a, 3/14/25
Unfortunately that problem has been a bipartisan issue.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:35a, 3/14/25
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Unfortunately that problem has been a bipartisan issue.

Quite true, though when you're talking about jailing people it's at a new level.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 11:39a, 3/14/25
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More terrorists

Mostly peaceful terrorists?
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In reply to sycasey • 2:48p, 3/14/25
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
The only things being discussed here are basically forms of speech. Just associating with certain organizations is not supposed to be enough to get you arrested, but in this case apparently it is.

He also said Khalil is a green card holder and non-citizen and though he has first amendment rights, he's also subjected to deportation if he espouses or endorses terrorist activity which is a condition for green card holders.

You can disagree with how these green card conditions apply in Khalil's case but you can't say that the debate is strictly a 1st amendment issue.

Maybe it's time to listen to your boy Glenn Greenwald.

I respect Greenwald for his consistency, he's a true advocate for free speech but in the clip you posted, he made no mention of conditions for permanent residency.

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In reply to sycasey • 2:51p, 3/14/25
sycasey said:
Conservatives never really believed in free speech, as I've been saying.

The left have been getting away with lies, misinformation, and defamation these past 8 years with no consequences.
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In reply to bear2034 • 2:54p, 3/14/25
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
Conservatives never really believed in free speech, as I've been saying.

The left have been getting away with lies, misinformation, and defamation these past 8 years with no consequences.

What about Trump?
He never lies, defames, or spreads misinformation?
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In reply to DiabloWags • 2:56p, 3/14/25
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What about Trump?

He never lies, defames, or spreads misinformation?

They tried to kill him for telling the truth.
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In reply to bear2034 • 3:04p, 3/14/25
I think it is pretty safe to assume that of all the theoretical reasons in the world, that isn't one of them.
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In reply to bear2034 • 3:15p, 3/14/25
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
bear2034 said:
The only things being discussed here are basically forms of speech. Just associating with certain organizations is not supposed to be enough to get you arrested, but in this case apparently it is.

He also said Khalil is a green card holder and non-citizen and though he has first amendment rights, he's also subjected to deportation if he espouses or endorses terrorist activity which is a condition for green card holders.

You can disagree with how these green card conditions apply in Khalil's case but you can't say that the debate is strictly a 1st amendment issue.

Maybe it's time to listen to your boy Glenn Greenwald.

I respect Greenwald for his consistency, he's a true advocate for free speech but in the clip you posted, he made no mention of conditions for permanent residency.
No, I'm pretty sure he did with the Jordan Peterson point (permanent residents still have rights to free speech). Maybe you think he's wrong?
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In reply to bear2034 • 3:16p, 3/14/25
bear2034 said:
sycasey said:
Conservatives never really believed in free speech, as I've been saying.

The left have been getting away with lies, misinformation, and defamation these past 8 years with no consequences.
And apparently your side thinks the consequence should be prison.
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In reply to bearister • 3:17p, 3/14/25
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I think it is pretty safe to assume that of all the theoretical reasons in the world, that isn't one of them.

They also censored and banned him for telling the truth.

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In reply to sycasey • 3:28p, 3/14/25
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And apparently your side thinks the consequence should be prison.
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