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philly1121 said:

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003, crime is down. Inflation has been on the decline for the past two years. From a high of 9.1 in July 2022, to where it was in October 2.4. Homelessness is up but do you honestly care about homeless people? Eh, they're gonna get bulldozed anyway.

I would say that we are in the midst of a post truth society. Social media, partisan news outlets. Your assertion about crime. Crime IS down. Stats can be provided. But it doesn't matter. Because your belief that crime is up is based on emotion. Or Haitians eating pets. Didn't happen. Emotion makes it true.

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Crime is not down. Inflation has risen and is tapering off. Of course the rates will slow after going up year over year astronomically.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/much-grocery-prices-increased-since-140029491.html

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Crime statistics are skewed because so many jurisdictions changed laws to decriminalize or not prosecute certain crimes. On top of that violent crime went up in 2022. News of the revised statistics demonstrating that fact probably has some psychological effect of convincing people it has also gone up in 2023 and 2024. Part of it is factual, part of it is impression.

What inflation is doing today - eg, a month over month reduction - is relatively irrelevant when you are facing the cumulative effect of 2-3 years of increased prices. People live this every time they go to the grocery store. It is a serious problem for the incumbent party.

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Ok, you're doing this again. Post truth. My own stats. My own echo chamber. Crime is down.

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-data-shows-violent-crime-down-for-a-second-consecutive-year-/7795119.html

And we are not talking about just grocery prices, we are talking about the price index as a whole.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

You're proving my point. Truth does not matter. If the inflation rate is down, to you it really isn't. If the crime rate is down. No, it really isn't.

But this is pointless. Again, congrats on your victory.

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We have had 1 year of acceptable inflation after 2 years of crazy inflation. Please see the other posts on crime. I do agree that violent crime is down. However, property crime is rampant in my city, and the police are having trouble controlling it due to liberal policies and laws.

Meet me at 5th and Market at 10 PM, or in West Oakland, and tell me crime is down.

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Meet me at 5th and Market at 10 PM, or in West Oakland, and tell me crime is down.

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Thank you for proving my point. Emotion. Not facts.

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Ok, you're doing this again. Post truth. My own stats. My own echo chamber. Crime is down.

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-data-shows-violent-crime-down-for-a-second-consecutive-year-/7795119.html

And we are not talking about just grocery prices, we are talking about the price index as a whole.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

You're proving my point. Truth does not matter. If the inflation rate is down, to you it really isn't. If the crime rate is down. No, it really isn't.

But this is pointless. Again, congrats on your victory.

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We have had 1 year of acceptable inflation after 2 years of crazy inflation. Please see the other posts on crime. I do agree that violent crime is down. However, property crime is rampant in my city, and the police are having trouble controlling it due to liberal policies and laws.

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One year of acceptable inflation. So, the highest the inflation rate was under Obama was 3.8% in 2009. Under Trump, it was 2.1 in 17 and 2.4% in 2018. 2019 it was 1.8%. Throw out 2020 because that was covid. So we're at 2.4 right now, from a high of 8% in 2022. Under GWB, the rate only went below 2.7 twice. So, now you're adding "one year of acceptable inflation" to the metric. That the 2022 rate was halved and then halved again in two years is really nothing short of remarkable given how European economies are faring.

As far as property crimes, it is interesting that the "metric" for whether something has increased or decreased is always "pre-pandemic levels". And though property crimes are down (with the exception of shoplifting), none are at pre-pandemic levels. And I honestly believe that this, psychologically, is where everyone's head is at. They want everything to be pre-pandemic. And any rise in anything will get "I want it back to the way it was before". Such is the way of things.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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oh *****you. *****you in the ear. You know damn well that this is what is gonna happen. Don't run from it now 003. Why are you all of us sudden running from this? You won! Embrace it. Spike the football. Your guy is in. Don't be shy now. America has elected Donald Trump. The election was not close. Which is surprising to me if you really want my opinion. But - he has a mandate. Don't run from it. Victory lap that sh*t!

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Get a hold of yourself and hang in there. I did not vote for Trump. I was hoping for a better candidate from both parties.

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You parrot Trump's rhetoric at every turn, but well done not voting for him. You win on a technicality.

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philly1121 said:

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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oh *****you. *****you in the ear. You know damn well that this is what is gonna happen. Don't run from it now 003. Why are you all of us sudden running from this? You won! Embrace it. Spike the football. Your guy is in. Don't be shy now. America has elected Donald Trump. The election was not close. Which is surprising to me if you really want my opinion. But - he has a mandate. Don't run from it. Victory lap that sh*t!

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Get a hold of yourself and hang in there. I did not vote for Trump. I was hoping for a better candidate from both parties.

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You parrot Trump's rhetoric at every turn, but well done not voting for him. You win on a technicality.

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I agree with much of his platform and also disagree with much of his platform. I will therefore advocate for the things I agree with, and there is nothing wrong with that. Thanks.

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Ok, you're doing this again. Post truth. My own stats. My own echo chamber. Crime is down.

https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-data-shows-violent-crime-down-for-a-second-consecutive-year-/7795119.html

And we are not talking about just grocery prices, we are talking about the price index as a whole.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthly-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

You're proving my point. Truth does not matter. If the inflation rate is down, to you it really isn't. If the crime rate is down. No, it really isn't.

But this is pointless. Again, congrats on your victory.

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We have had 1 year of acceptable inflation after 2 years of crazy inflation. Please see the other posts on crime. I do agree that violent crime is down. However, property crime is rampant in my city, and the police are having trouble controlling it due to liberal policies and laws.

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One year of acceptable inflation. So, the highest the inflation rate was under Obama was 3.8% in 2009. Under Trump, it was 2.1 in 17 and 2.4% in 2018. 2019 it was 1.8%. Throw out 2020 because that was covid. So we're at 2.4 right now, from a high of 8% in 2022. Under GWB, the rate only went below 2.7 twice. So, now you're adding "one year of acceptable inflation" to the metric. That the 2022 rate was halved and then halved again in two years is really nothing short of remarkable given how European economies are faring.

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I'm sure you are right about this, but I think social science shows that historically it takes a year or two for people to normalize to whatever the new inflated prices are and no longer consider them "too high." Not enough time to help for the current election.

Though I don't particularly blame Biden for this. High inflation hit everywhere after the (necessary) COVID stimulus. Sometimes macro trends just kill you.

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As far as property crimes, it is interesting that the "metric" for whether something has increased or decreased is always "pre-pandemic levels". And though property crimes are down (with the exception of shoplifting), none are at pre-pandemic levels. And I honestly believe that this, psychologically, is where everyone's head is at. They want everything to be pre-pandemic. And any rise in anything will get "I want it back to the way it was before". Such is the way of things.

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Point of order: I'd say people want non-violent crime levels to revert back to the pre-Soros DAs / pre-Defund the Police / pre-equity in the justice system levels.

Yes. Reed Hastings, George Soros, Melinda Gates. The lot of them. Enough of this restorative criminal justice system. Build more private prisons! I'd buy stock. Let's get some El Salvador solutions here!!

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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You know damn well that this is what is gonna happen. Don't run from it now 003. Why are you all of us sudden running from this? You won! Embrace it. Spike the football. Your guy is in. Don't be shy now. America has elected Donald Trump. The election was not close. Which is surprising to me if you really want my opinion. But - he has a mandate. Don't run from it. Victory lap that sh*t!

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That it was surprising to you shows what a big part of the problem is. I'm an Independent, but saw and felt this coming from a mile away.

- $2 Trillion additional stimulus unneeded

- Green New Deal a killer

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Oski, that's my point! Trump won because he fearmongered. I repeat. THIS IS WHY HE WON. You trying to say, "nah, he's not gonna do that". Seriously? Now? You've been defending this guy for the better part of 8 years. Now you're trying to offer nuance? wow

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No, Trump won because D's 4 years in power gave us economic hardship and increased crime / homelessness. This is demonstrated in any number of polls indicated 70% of people saying the economy is bad and the country is headed in the wrong direction. Harris' answer to those strong headwinds was to tell us Trump is a Fascist and to promise unfettered access to abortion. Those are the reasons she lost.

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Disagree. Crime is down. Violent crime is down. DOJ stats prove this out. The economy is good. Inflation is down. Unemployment is down. But, none of these economic benefits seem to be filtering down to the working and middle class. But, relitigating this is pointless. I would have to agree that Trump framed it correctly.

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Crime is not down. Inflation is starting to taper after 2 years. Stock market is good. Corporations doing well while small business suffer. Unemployment is down relative to where is what during a once in a lifetime pandemic. Homelessness is up.

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003, crime is down. Inflation has been on the decline for the past two years. From a high of 9.1 in July 2022, to where it was in October 2.4. Homelessness is up but do you honestly care about homeless people? Eh, they're gonna get bulldozed anyway.

I would say that we are in the midst of a post truth society. Social media, partisan news outlets. Your assertion about crime. Crime IS down. Stats can be provided. But it doesn't matter. Because your belief that crime is up is based on emotion. Or Haitians eating pets. Didn't happen. Emotion makes it true.

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Ok tell yourself crime is down, while it's not down. Blue cities essentially stopped reporting crime and people stop calling in crime to the police because there's no point waiting 6 hours after you've been robbed or beat up just for the cops to tell you there's nothing they can do but make a report that will go nowhere.

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philly1121 said:

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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You know damn well that this is what is gonna happen. Don't run from it now 003. Why are you all of us sudden running from this? You won! Embrace it. Spike the football. Your guy is in. Don't be shy now. America has elected Donald Trump. The election was not close. Which is surprising to me if you really want my opinion. But - he has a mandate. Don't run from it. Victory lap that sh*t!

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me listening to loops of liberals crying and screaming about trump's win
(w/ @Fuknutz ) pic.twitter.com/x5kvdHdeC9

— drefanzor memes (@drefanzor) November 6, 2024

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Maybe we need to educate the electorate so poor people will stop electing the party that gives tax breaks to corporations and millionaires, and wants to take away their safety net.

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You mean the Hitler Putin thing won't work anymore?

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Maybe we need to educate the electorate so poor people will stop electing the party that gives tax breaks to corporations and millionaires, and wants to take away their safety net.

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Maybe Democrats will understand that their policies are absolutely ****ing everyone but the mega rich?

Wage stagnation? -1m jobs for American born labor, +3m jobs for foreign born labor? No, that's not xenophobic. My mom is "foreign born." But when I hire Indian and Chinese h1b, it is good for my budget, and bad for the voters here.

When you let in millions of illegals, it also depresses wages.

When you spend trillions on borrowing, it depresses wages.

While *****ing about inequality, Democrats somehow drove policy that exploded inequality. Driving it absolutely through the roof.

Tax breaks for the rich? Since Trump's tax cuts the 1%

In 2012, the top 1% paid 38.1% of federal taxes. In 2016 the top 1% paid 37.3% of taxes. In Obama's second term the top 1% share decreased.

In 2020 after Trump's tax cuts for the rich, the top 1% paid 42.3% of taxes. That's above 45% now.

While he did that federal income tax revenue increased, pretty dramatically.

You can argue deficit, but arguing he isn't getting wealthy earners to carry more burden is counter factual.

The Trump tax cuts created the highest share of revenue from the top 1% in 30 years. Maybe 50.


Maybe we need to educate the elites on what normal people's lives are like. What 20% increases in prices feel like when you don't have 50% disposable income. What electricity prices at 45 cents a kwh feels like when your wages are depressed by jobs shifting to people who just came to the country.

Maybe they noticed that, despite a massive effort to gaslight, crime was rampant and unchecked? Or honestly, maybe people would have been ok with it, if it was at least discussed as a real problem, not a right wing conspiracy. I voted the most conservative I have in my life this year because of crime and terrible economy (again, large net loss of jobs for Americans is horrendous, even if we have lower wage foreign worker jobs available) specifically being dismissed as not a real problem, but a conspiracy.

I have had $15,000 of claims for theft in the last year. That's not on the news. That's real life. Even if it only cost me $800 in deductibles, it cost me $3,000 in premium increases.


The reality is Democrats need to decouple from ridiculous niche social issues, and ****ing govern. Abandon the progressive idiots and back real Democrats that care about our the other 99% of people.. because the 1% they are pandering to also care.

Or at least admit there are problems to solve... The gaslighting by the left has to stop or the backlash will keep coming.

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I say don't stop any of it. If America wants this, then let them have it. Restrict the press. Restrict abortion and contraception access. Put Bibles in schools. Deport the illegals and the Muslims. Put RFK in charge of all health policy. Put Stephen Miller as border czar. Herschel Walker as missle shield chief. Eileen Cannon to the Supremes. Cut taxes on corporations and tax the middle class and poor. Make deals with Russia, North Korea and China.

Don't stop it progressives. America wants this. Let it happen.

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America doesn't want this. Many of your items are liberal fantasies mischaracterizing the other side. Stop being a child.

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America wants to deport the insane number of illegals Biden left the door open for. By a 3 to 1 margin.

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Four more years of:

President Trump:
* Promised to cut the deficit but added $8 trillion to it.
* Promised to build a wall; completed only 458 miles out of 2,000, mostly repairs.
* Promised Mexico would pay for the wall; they didn't.
* Promised a new healthcare plan; it never existed.
* Promised a middle-class tax cut; primarily cut taxes for the rich, leaving the middle class to bear the burden.
* Promised not to play golf; made 250 visits to his own golf clubs, costing taxpayers $150 million.
* Promised to increase economic growth by 4%; didn't achieve it, President Biden did.
* Promised an infrastructure plan; had none, President Biden signed a massive one.
* Promised to hire "the best people"; fired 3/4 of them, then labeled them the worst.
* Promised to reduce prescription drug prices; didn't happen, President Biden did.
* Promised to win the trade war with China; it cost about a quarter million jobs.
* Promised corporate tax cuts would benefit workers; corporations used the money to buy back stocks instead.
* Promised to revive the coal industry; more coal jobs were lost during his presidency.
* Promised to drain the swamp; He was the swamp, January 6th insurrection and his Fake Electors conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election proves it.
* Promised to release his tax return, didn't.

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The only group Democrats made progress with is white men and women (+1 and +2%) and people with a Bachelor's... They maintained the margin for people who have graduate degrees.

The only increase for Democrats was rich white people.

Democrats lost ground with every single other demographic. Literally.

Just think about what party you are backing, and what demographics you think you are fighting. Democrats can gaslight all they want, but the policies they are pushing are only bringing over rich white people.

Maybe... Just spit balling, to win, look at why all those people switched to Trump. It's not ignorance, it's not bigotry (unless minorities are the new white supremacists)... It's because Democrats have abandoned their platform in favor of extreme progressivism.