concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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Yes

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It's almost a laughable proposition for me at this point.

Here's what's going to happen:
The chaos candidate is going to be a chaos president once again, and this time it won't take a crazy pandemic to reveal his insane governance (bleach?).

The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.


I guess OT is going to have to stay open for 4 more years so we can tune in to see who is right!

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Trump never mentioned anything like using bleach to kill covid. That was a lie told by Biden and echoed by a biased media. You fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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Yes

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It's almost a laughable proposition for me at this point.

Here's what's going to happen:
The chaos candidate is going to be a chaos president once again, and this time it won't take a crazy pandemic to reveal his insane governance (bleach?).

The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.


I guess OT is going to have to stay open for 4 more years so we can tune in to see who is right!

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Trump never mentioned anything like using bleach to kill covid. That was a lie told by Biden and echoed by a biased media. You fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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Oh, yes he (Trump) did!

April 23, 2020. Following a presentation about disinfectants' ability to kill the virus on surfaces, Trump speculated about using them inside the body.

Here's a link to what was actually said so you can do a word search for the word "bleach" and why don't you go ahead and do that and tell me if I fell for any hook, line, or sinker.

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23#:~:text=

I'll explain, so other readers don't have to dissect:

The word bleach was mentioned 3x:
Twice by Bill Baker, Trump's Acting Under Secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS):

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For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We're also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.

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Then Trump followed and mused openly with the press, and Live to the nation (I recall watching this Live), as if he was brainstorming solutions, or having a classroom session with his teachers, then and there:

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A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful.

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Then, a member of the press, Jim (Acosta, CNN), used the word "bleach", misappropriating Bryan's use of it to Trump. However, Bryan included bleach as one of the disinfectants that kills the virus on a solid surface (per cleaning rooms and objects), and then Trump, per the above quote, was musing about "disinfectants inside the body."

Here is Jim's question:

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" The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There's no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there? "

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Bryan responded to this question by countering Trump's false musing, while trying to not obviously "face" him:

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No, I'm here to talk about the finds that we had in the study. We don't do that within that lab at our labs.

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After reviewing the press briefing text, why don't you do your own research and explain to me how "Biden" told this "bleach" lie which was echoed by the media.

concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I am the opposite of a frat guy. I've never been inside one and had basically zero friends at Cal. I lived at home in SF and commuted for five years. Hanging out with people and liking them or being friends with them are different things in my mind. I can find someone fun to hang out with and then leave them and think, "What a large *******". I have some acquaintances like that. The amount of good qualities they have are varied. Make no mistake, I think Trump is a bad person and has the history to prove it. I hope he can do some of the things he's promised in the next four years but I wouldn't bet on it. Kamala...I have no idea. I don't know if she'd be like some of my Dem friends: insufferable with regards to politics (and most other things) or more understanding of my opinions. I just have no feeling about her. Obama, for example, always seemed like an interesting guy. I would love to hang out with him. And some may consider him a big con man. Just feelings.

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Do you think bad person will depart the scene with a functioning democracy - not that we had a very good one to begin with (see: gerrymandering, campaign finance law enforcement, citizens vs united, dark money, and the historical 97% incumbent re-election success rate).

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Yes

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It's almost a laughable proposition for me at this point.

Here's what's going to happen:
The chaos candidate is going to be a chaos president once again, and this time it won't take a crazy pandemic to reveal his insane governance (bleach?).

The chaos president is going to figure out some way (as yet undetermined) to stay in power. Elections are not going to happen in the normal way in 2028. He simply is not going to depart the scene gracefully into retirement for some newbie to undo all his wayward policy implementation.


I guess OT is going to have to stay open for 4 more years so we can tune in to see who is right!

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Trump never mentioned anything like using bleach to kill covid. That was a lie told by Biden and echoed by a biased media. You fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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Oh, yes he (Trump) did!

April 23, 2020. Following a presentation about disinfectants' ability to kill the virus on surfaces, Trump speculated about using them inside the body.

Here's a link to what was actually said so you can do a word search for the word "bleach" and why don't you go ahead and do that and tell me if I fell for any hook, line, or sinker.

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23#:~:text=

I'll explain, so other readers don't have to dissect:

The word bleach was mentioned 3x:
Twice by Bill Baker, Trump's Acting Under Secretary for Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS):

Quote:

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For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We're also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.

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Then Trump followed and mused openly with the press, and Live to the nation (I recall watching this Live), as if he was brainstorming solutions, or having a classroom session with his teachers, then and there:

Quote:

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A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful.

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Then, a member of the press, Jim (Acosta, CNN), used the word "bleach", misappropriating Bryan's use of it to Trump. However, Bryan included bleach as one of the disinfectants that kills the virus on a solid surface (per cleaning rooms and objects), and then Trump, per the above quote, was musing about "disinfectants inside the body."

Here is Jim's question:

Quote:

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" The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There's no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there? "

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Bryan responded to this question by countering Trump's false musing, while trying to not obviously "face" him:

Quote:

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No, I'm here to talk about the finds that we had in the study. We don't do that within that lab at our labs.

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After reviewing the press briefing text, why don't you do your own research and explain to me how "Biden" told this "bleach" lie which was echoed by the media.

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https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

There is ZERO truth in the statement that Trump told people to drink bleach or anything remotely like that. You are so incredibly biased. As shown in my link, Biden falsely attributed that statement to Trump. UV radiation is a known disinfectant. And, yes, there were studies done to kill coronaviruses using light inside the body.

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-seen-in-covid-19-patients-treated-with-uva-light/

We should applaud the Trump administration for being willing to look at all ways to prevent covid sickness. It seemed that Biden let Pfizer run the show and pushed only treatments that lined their pockets.

You didn't even bother reading the press conference exchanges, did you?

I highlighted and explained all of it.

The Politifact Summary (from the link above):

"Our ruling

Biden said Trump said drinking bleach could help fight the coronavirus. Trump did not specifically recommend ingesting disinfectants, but he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body, such as the lungs. We rate Biden's claim Mostly False."

concordtom said:

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You didn't even bother reading the press conference exchanges, did you?

I highlighted and explained all of it.

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I read them. You'd have to be a deranged anti-Trump lunatic to come to your conclusion against all the available evidence.

concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Let's back up.

I said: (bleach?)

You said, trump never said bleach.

I brought forth the exchange.

You're now saying I said "Trump said 'drink bleach'".

This is why you are placed on Ignore.

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Care to clarify what you actually mean with this comment,

"The chaos candidate is going to be a chaos president once again, and this time it won't take a crazy pandemic to reveal his insane governance (bleach?)"

It sounds like you are completely walking it back because you have no point here now. You used bleach as an example of his insane governance when it truly should be an example of Democrats insane exaggeration of his governance and how you fell for their lies hook, line, and sinker. I feel bad that you can't see this objectively. It is all right in front of you. You can place me on ignore if it makes you feel better.

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Dude!
Don't be so (fill in the blank).

His insane governance was that he held a press conference which ended with open questions of "did he just suggest or muse like a child asking his advisors that disinfectants like bleach could be injected into the body like some sort of countertop cleaning method?"

That was not the serious, educated, informed and trustworthy governance the nation deserves.

You want to parse words, but I know it, you know it, and everyone knows that Donald Trump is a mess of a human being. His second administration is going to be far worse than his first, no pandemic necessary. Tanks will be rolling.

See you in 4 years.



This ain't no Lafayette Square photo op.

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He isn't at fault for the predatory press and the dumb liberals who eat up their mischaracterization of what he says. The tanks appear to be rolling in your head.

Indentured Servitude is a system whereby people agree to work for a defined period of time to pay off a loan.

Presumably you meant it as a proxy for black people in prison being forced to work.

Not only does the phrase not fit with what you likely really mean but - ironically - the picture shows 3 white guys.

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How sway how ? So inmates being forced to work in private prisons is ok ? Do know what happens when the refuse to be a slave ?

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I think it's offensive to call prisoners slaves. But if we must then let's make sure we know the 13th Amendment:

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

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Offensive? … you dont say , now imagine being a descendant of Chattel Slavery. Think it all the way through.

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You need to watch (rewatch) Shawshank Redemption: get busy living or get busy dieing. That's god-damned right.

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I'd rather have prisoners working than sitting on their rear end all day doing nothing. Prison isn't a vacation. You did something to get yourself there that effected the life and happiness of other people. Working is a pretty good use of their time. With the added benefit of being able to learn a trade.

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As I mentioned before, I still think they should earn the minimum wage of the area they work in. Of course, the cost to imprison them should be deducted from their earnings.

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I am not decided on that issue. Do I want prisoners coming out of a decade of prison with 100k saved up? Not really. But on the other side, them having the ability to start over with a real chance isn't terrible either. Maybe we let them save up to 50k for every 10 years? This can be argued.

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If they earned it and paid off their incarceration, they should absolutely be able to save whatever is left, even if it is $250,000. They should even earn overtime, as far as I am concerned.

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Ya, I'm not where you are on this issue lol. Prison is a punishment.

MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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oski003 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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I'd rather have prisoners working than sitting on their rear end all day doing nothing. Prison isn't a vacation. You did something to get yourself there that effected the life and happiness of other people. Working is a pretty good use of their time. With the added benefit of being able to learn a trade.

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As I mentioned before, I still think they should earn the minimum wage of the area they work in. Of course, the cost to imprison them should be deducted from their earnings.

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I am not decided on that issue. Do I want prisoners coming out of a decade of prison with 100k saved up? Not really. But on the other side, them having the ability to start over with a real chance isn't terrible either. Maybe we let them save up to 50k for every 10 years? This can be argued.

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If they earned it and paid off their incarceration, they should absolutely be able to save whatever is left, even if it is $250,000. They should even earn overtime, as far as I am concerned.

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Ya, I'm not where you are on this issue lol. Prison is a punishment.

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The punishment is that they lose the ability to make a choice. They aren't getting the opportunity for some illustrious career. This is manual labor paid at minimum wage. After they put in their 8 hours, they are confined in prison where they are being punished, rehabilitated, and kept from damaging society.

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Ok being forced to live in prison is part of the punishment. The other part is the inconvenience of having some your rights being stripped away, at the expense of the state/fed. This is done to be a deterrent so that the convict doesn't wish to go thru that experience again.

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Should the system not also have a rehabilitative element? Working and making a wage that can be used if and when your term is up seems up that alley.

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I don't know if it should have a rehab element. Shouldn't the rehab be "don't come back here".

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No, it should be learn a skill so you don't come back here.

Not sarcasm. Nobody does time to get job training. But if an inmate can learn say construction skills, why not?

This is already done in California

https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/rehabilitation/home/career-pathways-for-incarcerated-people/