The one thing that is mitigating the Russian response is that almost all of the attacks by ATACMs or Scalp/Storm Shadow missiles have been intercepted.
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The President elect met with Biden and he met with Zelensky. The President elect is now silent about the situation with only a few of his talking pets squeak barking. Suffering in silence is not one of his characteristics.
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
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The approval of missiles has no effect on the consequence of the war other than escalation- it is for escalation not strategic reasons. Putin in response will escalate and the Ukrainians will suffer more and lose more territory.
Anarchistbear said:
The approval of missiles has no effect on the consequence of the war other than escalation- it is for escalation not strategic reasons. Putin in response will escalate and the Ukrainians will suffer more and lose more territory.
That's the bottom line, the Russians have been pounding power stations in Ukraine in retaliation, this coming winter is going to be a lot harder for the average Ukrainian civilian than the previous two, where the daily lives in central or eastern parts were virtually unaffected.
Also, there are reports of Russian soldiers executing Ukrainian POWs in Kursk.
I recall this being a threat long before Russia and Ukraine were fighting.concordtom said:sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
Nation-stateless terrorists and bots.
Too bad we can't impeach Jill.
Watch 2007 video of Senator Joe Biden clarifying that 2024 President Joe Biden has committed an impeachable offense by authorizing US supplied and targeted missiles to attack the sovereign country of Russia.pic.twitter.com/4y06Zwh4o6
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) November 20, 2024
A new phase of the war. And just in time for Christmas!
JUST IN: The United States closes its embassy in Kyiv urgently warning of a ‘significant’ air attack.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) November 20, 2024
The development comes after Ukraine used U.S. made ballistic missiles to strike Russia, a move that Putin said would mean the U.S. is at war with Russia.
On Wednesday, the U.S.… pic.twitter.com/0VW59LZSJC
Zippergate said:
A new phase of the war. And just in time for Christmas!JUST IN: The United States closes its embassy in Kyiv urgently warning of a ‘significant’ air attack.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) November 20, 2024
The development comes after Ukraine used U.S. made ballistic missiles to strike Russia, a move that Putin said would mean the U.S. is at war with Russia.
On Wednesday, the U.S.… pic.twitter.com/0VW59LZSJC
At least we can put tampons in boy's bathrooms.
Call up the National Guard. Send Walz over there. Maybe he'll finally learn how to operate a firearm.
That is all you do, so you've got the forum's quota taken care of.Zippergate said:The point was to see things from Russia's perspective...sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
concordtom said:Big C said:
I'm all about negotiation: How about Ukraine tells Putin that they will stop firing US-made missiles into territory that Russia currently occupies, if Putin sends his WW III North Korean troops back home (they can have one last big meal before departing).
After that, NATO can tell Putin that Ukraine will never join, provided the Russian troops get the heck out of 50% of whatever they've occupied and Russia honors Ukraine's sovereignty.
So simple!
So, you're giving Russia 50% ?
Wow.
Not sure about the percentages, maybe 50%. I feel like Russia's in the driver's seat now, with the way the war is going and us starting to get sick of this (plus Trump coming in).
Ideally, they would get nothing, but that's not realistic, at this point. So I'd give them just enough for Putin to feel like he can claim it was worth it.
Trumps Allie's the BBC? Did you forget the sarcasm icon or are you delusional far beyond your MSM brainwashing?
It's hard to decide who has lost touch with reality more between you and CT
It's hard to decide who has lost touch with reality more between you and CT
bearister said:
The President elect met with Biden and he met with Zelensky. The President elect is now silent about the situation with only a few of his talking pets squeak barking. Suffering in silence is not one of his characteristics.
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
Col. Davis: "it is time to stop being stupid."
Since you are a self professed Critical Thinker Extraordinaire, can you please link a story quoting the President elect himself criticizing the green lighting of the long range missiles by Ukraine (barking by his collection of talking pets doesn't count).
Biden Did Trump a Favor With ATACMS Missiles in Ukraine - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-11-20/biden-did-trump-a-favor-with-atacms-missiles-in-ukraine
Biden Did Trump a Favor With ATACMS Missiles in Ukraine - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-11-20/biden-did-trump-a-favor-with-atacms-missiles-in-ukraine
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The left don't bother to wear their Ukraine pins anymore. They've moved on to the next new thing.chazzed said:That is all you do, so you've got the forum's quota taken care of.Zippergate said:The point was to see things from Russia's perspective...sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
bear2034 said:The left don't bother to wear their Ukraine pins anymore. They've moved on to the next new thing.chazzed said:That is all you do, so you've got the forum's quota taken care of.Zippergate said:The point was to see things from Russia's perspective...sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
We don't have a new thing yet. We are cocooning and bickering amongst ourselves. Somebody suggested a listening tour... we'll see after this atmospheric river subsides. (buddy o' mine started his listening tour today, but his Prius got trapped on a road that had 18 inches of water and now the engine and the motor are both frozen) My "next new thing" might be New Zealand for a couple of months. Try and get those kiwis to woke up.
bear2034 said:The left don't bother to wear their Ukraine pins anymore. They've moved on to the next new thing.chazzed said:That is all you do, so you've got the forum's quota taken care of.Zippergate said:The point was to see things from Russia's perspective...sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
Tell me, what do you stand for in life?
What is your value system?
What do you aspire to achieve and what do you hope is said about you after you're gone? If you have children, what non financial legacy will they say you left behind, in terms of values.
Big C said:bear2034 said:The left don't bother to wear their Ukraine pins anymore. They've moved on to the next new thing.chazzed said:That is all you do, so you've got the forum's quota taken care of.Zippergate said:The point was to see things from Russia's perspective...sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
We don't have a new thing yet. We are cocooning and bickering amongst ourselves. Somebody suggested a listening tour... we'll see after this atmospheric river subsides. (buddy o' mine started his listening tour today, but his Prius got trapped on a road that had 18 inches of water and now the engine and the motor are both frozen) My "next new thing" might be New Zealand for a couple of months. Try and get those kiwis to woke up.
Where the hell did that happen to your friend??? I don't think it's raining too much. This river isn't striking us too bad where we are at.
concordtom said:Big C said:bear2034 said:The left don't bother to wear their Ukraine pins anymore. They've moved on to the next new thing.chazzed said:That is all you do, so you've got the forum's quota taken care of.Zippergate said:The point was to see things from Russia's perspective...sycasey said:Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
I'll have an opinion on that if and when it actually happens. Who do you think is going to directly attack the US?
We don't have a new thing yet. We are cocooning and bickering amongst ourselves. Somebody suggested a listening tour... we'll see after this atmospheric river subsides. (buddy o' mine started his listening tour today, but his Prius got trapped on a road that had 18 inches of water and now the engine and the motor are both frozen) My "next new thing" might be New Zealand for a couple of months. Try and get those kiwis to woke up.
Where the hell did that happen to your friend??? I don't think it's raining too much. This river isn't striking us too bad where we are at.
I made up that entire post, for satire's sake, but there were a number of cars that went kaput trying to make it through 18-24 inches of water on roads the past few days (North Bay... Santa Rosa, Wine Country, etc.) More tomorrow.
Zippergate said:
Try to imagine a scenario where Russia is firing missiles into the United States through a proxy. Would you still have a cavalier attitude then?
Which part of Toronto did your battalion get sent to during the invasion? Maybe we shouldn't have invaded Canada?
HawaiiBear33 said:
Trumps Allie's the BBC? Did you forget the sarcasm icon or are you delusional far beyond your MSM brainwashing?
It's hard to decide who has lost touch with reality more between you and CTbearister said:
The President elect met with Biden and he met with Zelensky. The President elect is now silent about the situation with only a few of his talking pets squeak barking. Suffering in silence is not one of his characteristics.
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
You really do need to expand your news sources and occasionally read one that is tied to reality. Heck, Waltz even said these things while appearing on the Official Propaganda Wing of the Republican Party Network:
Trump's national security pick: I'm on same page as Jake Sullivan about 'our adversaries' - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/24/trump-national-security-adviser-waltz-sullivan-00191412
"Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) said Sunday that he has met with President Joe Biden's National Security adviser Jake Sullivan and that the two administrations are working collaboratively on national security issues during the transition.
"Jake Sullivan and I have had discussions, we've met," Waltz said in an interview with Gillian Turner on "Fox News Sunday." "For our adversaries out there that think this is a time of opportunity, that they can play one administration off the other,they are wrong."
He added, "We are hand in glove. We are one team with the United States in this transition."
….. Waltz also addressed some of the recent national security news, including the escalation of the war in Ukraine. He compared the Biden administration's decision to let Ukraine use anti-personnel landmines as "World War I trench warfare."
The President-elect has been very concerned about the escalation and where it's all going," Waltz said, when asked about Trump's reaction to the recent developments. "If North Korea has made this move, we have made a move. Russia has now responded. Iran is involved. South Korea's thinking about getting involved. Our allies have now extended the range of their missiles as well."
*Takeaways: Confirms my take why tRump has kept his yapper shut on missiles and mines. Confirms that Don, Jr. is not in the loop and they just have him continuously spouting the bullsh@it that MAGA morons want to hear even though it is not reality based. Finally, it is clear that a guy like Waltz will work behind the scenes to make sure Tulsi does not get her appointment. No way he trusts her.
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bearister said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Trumps Allie's the BBC? Did you forget the sarcasm icon or are you delusional far beyond your MSM brainwashing?
It's hard to decide who has lost touch with reality more between you and CTbearister said:
The President elect met with Biden and he met with Zelensky. The President elect is now silent about the situation with only a few of his talking pets squeak barking. Suffering in silence is not one of his characteristics.
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
You really do need to expand your news sources and occasionally read one that is tied to reality. Heck, Waltz even said these things while appearing on the Official Propaganda Wing of the Republican Party Network:
Trump's national security pick: I'm on same page as Jake Sullivan about 'our adversaries' - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/24/trump-national-security-adviser-waltz-sullivan-00191412
"Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) said Sunday that he has met with President Joe Biden's National Security adviser Jake Sullivan and that the two administrations are working collaboratively on national security issues during the transition.
"Jake Sullivan and I have had discussions, we've met," Waltz said in an interview with Gillian Turner on "Fox News Sunday." "For our adversaries out there that think this is a time of opportunity, that they can play one administration off the other,they are wrong."
He added, "We are hand in glove. We are one team with the United States in this transition."
….. Waltz also addressed some of the recent national security news, including the escalation of the war in Ukraine. He compared the Biden administration's decision to let Ukraine use anti-personnel landmines as "World War I trench warfare."
The President-elect has been very concerned about the escalation and where it's all going," Waltz said, when asked about Trump's reaction to the recent developments. "If North Korea has made this move, we have made a move. Russia has now responded. Iran is involved. South Korea's thinking about getting involved. Our allies have now extended the range of their missiles as well."
*Takeaways: Confirms my take why tRump has kept his yapper shut on missiles and mines. Confirms that Don, Jr. is not in the loop and they just have him continuously spouting the bullsh@it that MAGA morons want to hear even though it is not reality based. Finally, it is clear that a guy like Waltz will work behind the scenes to make sure Tulsi does not get her appointment. No way he trusts her.
I feel like Don Jr has what it takes to be the GOP nominee for President in 2028!
Is that even debatable? When you look up that term in the dictionary there is a gif of him there sweating, gesticulating wildly, and repeatedly wiping his nose.
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bearister said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Trumps Allie's the BBC? Did you forget the sarcasm icon or are you delusional far beyond your MSM brainwashing?
It's hard to decide who has lost touch with reality more between you and CTbearister said:
The President elect met with Biden and he met with Zelensky. The President elect is now silent about the situation with only a few of his talking pets squeak barking. Suffering in silence is not one of his characteristics.
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
You really do need to expand your news sources and occasionally read one that is tied to reality. Heck, Waltz even said these things while appearing on the Official Propaganda Wing of the Republican Party Network:
Trump's national security pick: I'm on same page as Jake Sullivan about 'our adversaries' - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/24/trump-national-security-adviser-waltz-sullivan-00191412
"Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) said Sunday that he has met with President Joe Biden's National Security adviser Jake Sullivan and that the two administrations are working collaboratively on national security issues during the transition.
"Jake Sullivan and I have had discussions, we've met," Waltz said in an interview with Gillian Turner on "Fox News Sunday." "For our adversaries out there that think this is a time of opportunity, that they can play one administration off the other,they are wrong."
He added, "We are hand in glove. We are one team with the United States in this transition."
….. Waltz also addressed some of the recent national security news, including the escalation of the war in Ukraine. He compared the Biden administration's decision to let Ukraine use anti-personnel landmines as "World War I trench warfare."
The President-elect has been very concerned about the escalation and where it's all going," Waltz said, when asked about Trump's reaction to the recent developments. "If North Korea has made this move, we have made a move. Russia has now responded. Iran is involved. South Korea's thinking about getting involved. Our allies have now extended the range of their missiles as well."
*Takeaways: Confirms my take why tRump has kept his yapper shut on missiles and mines. Confirms that Don, Jr. is not in the loop and they just have him continuously spouting the bullsh@it that MAGA morons want to hear even though it is not reality based. Finally, it is clear that a guy like Waltz will work behind the scenes to make sure Tulsi does not get her appointment. No way he trusts her.
Looks like we've traded one set of idiots for another. The worst new guy might be Sebastian Gorka.
Cal88 said:bearister said:HawaiiBear33 said:
Trumps Allie's the BBC? Did you forget the sarcasm icon or are you delusional far beyond your MSM brainwashing?
It's hard to decide who has lost touch with reality more between you and CTbearister said:
The President elect met with Biden and he met with Zelensky. The President elect is now silent about the situation with only a few of his talking pets squeak barking. Suffering in silence is not one of his characteristics.
The Donald knew this was coming, knew it was strictly a bargain chip and if he was wholly adverse to it both he and Musk would be shrieking bloody murder from the church tower.
Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo
"For months I have called on President Biden to remove these restrictions," Representative Michael R. Turner of Ohio, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "President Biden should have listened to President Zelensky's pleas much earlier."
-NYT 11/17/24
You really do need to expand your news sources and occasionally read one that is tied to reality. Heck, Waltz even said these things while appearing on the Official Propaganda Wing of the Republican Party Network:
Trump's national security pick: I'm on same page as Jake Sullivan about 'our adversaries' - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/24/trump-national-security-adviser-waltz-sullivan-00191412
"Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) said Sunday that he has met with President Joe Biden's National Security adviser Jake Sullivan and that the two administrations are working collaboratively on national security issues during the transition.
"Jake Sullivan and I have had discussions, we've met," Waltz said in an interview with Gillian Turner on "Fox News Sunday." "For our adversaries out there that think this is a time of opportunity, that they can play one administration off the other,they are wrong."
He added, "We are hand in glove. We are one team with the United States in this transition."
….. Waltz also addressed some of the recent national security news, including the escalation of the war in Ukraine. He compared the Biden administration's decision to let Ukraine use anti-personnel landmines as "World War I trench warfare."
The President-elect has been very concerned about the escalation and where it's all going," Waltz said, when asked about Trump's reaction to the recent developments. "If North Korea has made this move, we have made a move. Russia has now responded. Iran is involved. South Korea's thinking about getting involved. Our allies have now extended the range of their missiles as well."
*Takeaways: Confirms my take why tRump has kept his yapper shut on missiles and mines. Confirms that Don, Jr. is not in the loop and they just have him continuously spouting the bullsh@it that MAGA morons want to hear even though it is not reality based. Finally, it is clear that a guy like Waltz will work behind the scenes to make sure Tulsi does not get her appointment. No way he trusts her.
Looks like we've traded one set of idiots for another. The worst new guy might be Sebastian Gorka.
Loser Gorka is now in COMPLETE meltdown mode
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 6, 2024
Lashing out at me, lashing out at Tucker, lashing out at anyone who points out he lied about knowing who Trump VP pick is
This foreigner is a fraud, has always been a fraud, and is now revealing his true colors
You're Amazing!going4roses said:
white on white crime ?
There’s a reason hundreds of billions of our tax dollars were sent to Ukraine.
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) December 2, 2024
There’s a reason the Dems impeached Trump just for asking about where the money was going in Ukraine.
There’s a reason the Dems/MSM lost their minds when I wrote a story about US-funded biolabs in… pic.twitter.com/J7ihgMxUyY
Don't have what you requested bearister
Walz is a sick creep
MSM is pure propaganda
Trump was impeached for trying to blackmail the President of Ukraine into digging up dirt on Joe Biden, not for "asking where the money was going."
sycasey said:
Trump was impeached for trying to blackmail the President of Ukraine into digging up dirt on Joe Biden, not for "asking where the money was going."
He's perfectly entitled to ask their president about past conduct of US policy and improperties associated with it, especially given that billlions in US aid were sent to that country.
Again, you're leaving out the part where he was trying to hold up aid that had already been approved by Congress unless Zelensky agreed to help him with investigating Biden (a.k.a. his chief political opponent).Cal88 said:sycasey said:
Trump was impeached for trying to blackmail the President of Ukraine into digging up dirt on Joe Biden, not for "asking where the money was going."
He's perfectly entitled to ask their president about past conduct of US policy and improperties associated with it, especially given that billlions in US aid were sent to that country.
But it was okay when Biden threatened to withhold a billion in aid if the prosecutor investigating a company his son was collecting big checks from wasn't fired. Remember how he bragged about it? Wild.
Yes, conditioning aid for concessions on US government policy priorities, not for personal political advantage. See the difference?Zippergate said:
But it was okay when Biden threatened to withhold a billion in aid if the prosecutor investigating a company his son was collecting big checks from wasn't fired. Remember how he bragged about it? Wild.
Indeed, protecting the Biden Crime Family has been a top national priority.
Ousting that prosecutor didn't particularly protect the Biden family in any way.Zippergate said:
Indeed, protecting the Biden Crime Family has been a top national priority.
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