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The son of former NBA star Gilbert Arenas has been placed into an induced coma after a car crash left his Tesla 'mangled' on the side of the road, according to multiple reports.

https://mol.im/a/14645161

*Probably another Beast Mode accident. The Cybertruck's "Beast Mode" is a performance-focused drive mode that unlocks the truck's maximum acceleration, allowing it to reach 60 mph in 2.6 seconds (It weighs 3 tons).



"The only thing more fun than Beast Mode is one of these flamethrowers for the Bros I used to sell."

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BMW M5 is that fast. Corvette and Porsche 911 clocks 2.8. Does Bearister now want to ban fast cars because he hates Elon Musk?

That is probably what someone like you would conclude from my post. It tracks your logic and the positions you support. Why make a personal attack when all you had to do is disagree and give your reasons? Is an attack on Musk tantamount to a personal attack on you?

My point is Musk has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old boy. You can do a lot of damage to your fellow man with a 3 ton vehicle that all you have to do is flip a switch and you get distracting enhanced volume sounds and a light show on your in car screen and the truck now gets supercharged to go 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds.

If there was a guaranty that only the person driving would die or be maimed, I wouldn't have a problem with the vehicle. The Beast Mode feature will never get outlawed until the kill rate of innocent people outrages the public.

Telsa settled the case below where the driver of the sedan was drunk as f@uck. The evidence was the crash was survivable by her passenger (her boss) but he got Post Toastied by the battery catching fire and the door latches not opening.

The parents will get a large check from Telsa in that Piedmont Cybertruck (Beast Mode?) fiery crash. There is eyewitness testimony that the crash was survivable but for the battery fire and the door latches. One kid was pulled out. They almost got the girl out but she and two others burned up.

Yes, the driver was on drugs and double over the limit and would have gone to prison had he lived…..but once you can prove the crash was survivable but for the fire and the door latches, Tesla writes a check.

Tesla Settles Fatal Crash Suit as Another Jury Trial Loomed


https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2024/05/29/323882.htm

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That is probably what someone like you would conclude from my post. It tracks your logic and the positions you support. Why make a personal attack when all you had to do is disagree and give your reasons? Is an attack on Musk tantamount to a personal attack on you?

My point is Musk has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old boy. You can do a lot of damage to your fellow man with a 3 ton vehicle that all you have to do is flip a switch and you get distracting enhanced volume sounds and a light show on your in car screen and the truck now gets supercharged to go 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds.

If there was a guaranty that only the person driving would die or be maimed, I wouldn't have a problem with the vehicle. The Beast Mode feature will never get outlawed until the kill rate of innocent people outrages the public.

Telsa settled the case below where the driver of the sedan was drunk as f@uck. The evidence was the crash was survivable by her passenger (her boss) but he got Post Toastied by the battery catching fire and the door latches not opening.

The parents will get a large check from Telsa in that Piedmont Cybertruck (Beast Mode?) fiery crash. There is eyewitness testimony that the crash was survivable but for the battery fire and the door latches. One kid was pulled out. They almost got the girl out but she and two others burned up.

Yes, the driver was on drugs and double over the limit and would have gone to prison had he lived…..but once you can prove the crash was survivable but for the fire and the door latches, Tesla writes a check.

Tesla Settles Fatal Crash Suit as Another Jury Trial Loomed


https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2024/05/29/323882.htm

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Tesla has sold over 7,250,000 vehicles. They aren't any more dangerous than other performance vehicles. An article about a 2016 crash fails to prove your point. Sorry, bro.

Is the Tesla Cybertruck Really as Dangerous as the Ford Pinto?


https://www.inc.com/sarah-sicard/is-the-tesla-cybertruck-really-as-dangerous-as-the-ford-pinto/91147975



Tesla Cybertruck Has The Same Door Handle Quirk That Landed Ford In Legal Trouble


https://carbuzz.com/tesla-cybertruck-has-the-same-door-handle-quirk-that-landed-ford-in-legal-trouble/

Testimony Reveals Doors Would Not Open on Cybertruck That Caught Fire in Piedmont, Killing Three


https://sfist.com/2025/03/11/testimony-reveals-doors-would-not-open-on-cybertruck-that-caught-fire-in-piedmont-killing-three/

Telsa will be writing some large settlement checks for its vehicle that isn't "any more dangerous than other performance vehicles."

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Is the Tesla Cybertruck Really as Dangerous as the Ford Pinto?


https://www.inc.com/sarah-sicard/is-the-tesla-cybertruck-really-as-dangerous-as-the-ford-pinto/91147975



Tesla Cybertruck Has The Same Door Handle Quirk That Landed Ford In Legal Trouble


https://carbuzz.com/tesla-cybertruck-has-the-same-door-handle-quirk-that-landed-ford-in-legal-trouble/

Testimony Reveals Doors Would Not Open on Cybertruck That Caught Fire in Piedmont, Killing Three


https://sfist.com/2025/03/11/testimony-reveals-doors-would-not-open-on-cybertruck-that-caught-fire-in-piedmont-killing-three/

Telsa will be writing some large settlement checks for its vehicle that isn't "any more dangerous than other performance vehicles."

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The Cyber Truck, like all other Tesla models, in addition to the electronic push button, has a fully mechanical manual door release on the door armrests that works just like any other manual interior car door release and does not require any power from the vehicle whatsoever.

Should it have a breathalyzer for cocaine, alcohol, and meth, which the passengers were on when the driver recklessly rammed and wedged it between a wall and tree?

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html

Also, on the Cyber Truck death rate ....

"In 2 crashes and 1 incident in their first full year on American roads, the Cybertrucks burned 5 occupants who died," Leadfoot writes. "That would be a crash in Piedmont CA with 3 fatalities, a crash in Baytown TX with 1 fatality, and I'm including the incident in Las Vegas NV that I am sure you are all familiar with."

In the final incident, the driver shot himself and exploded fireworks and fuel cannisters in the trunk of the car. Journalism is dead. The leading stat comparing them to Pintos is useless.

Tesla stock is up 6.5% today, back up to $275.

Now up 10% to $285.

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Why the hell would anyone pay 82k for one of those things? They still have to pay more to charge it, register it, insurance…. That's expensive A to B.

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Electricity is cheaper than gas, fortunately.

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So, I went to do some calculations. It can all get muddied doing math between mpg and mpge, or cost per mile so I'll just summarize.

If someone is getting their electricity from the sun, charging at home, it's definitely cheaper, provided their installation was cheap. That depends on the build.

Around the country many places can get cheap electricity from their local utility. Sub 10 cents could be reasonable. But here in CA, or at your local EV charging station, you can pay 50 cents per kWh.

Now, the cybertruck gets maybe 70-75 mpge. Evan at 40 cents per kWh, that's more expensive than a car that gets 30 mpg at $5/gallon of gas:

Vehicle: Cost per Mile
Cybertruck (at 40/kWh): 18.8 per mile
30 mpg car (at $5/gal): 16.7 per mile


Of course, gasoline is cheaper in many parts of the country, too. Maybe $3.



I'm an advocate of EVs and of solar. But the cybertruck is not a cost efficient form of transportation. The most efficient EVs are nearly double at 130 mpge. If one builds their own solar array and charging station and gets a cheap EV transportation can be relatively cheap.

Most cybertrucks I've seen (all) are being driven like cars on the freeway. They are expensive and ugly in my opinion.

What was, roughly, your breakeven period on your solar installations?

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What was, roughly, your breakeven period on your solar installations?

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Let's (roughly) price some components:
1) 400W panels: $100 each x 25 = $2500
2) Inverter: $2500
3) "Balance of System": Racking, wiring, breaker, etc: $2500
4) Level 2 charger: $500
TOTAL: $8000 for a 10kw system, no battery.
Self install, no cost.

If we use PVWatts.com, it'll tell us how much electricity we can expect daily, monthly, yearly. And off that you can figure how many miles can go into your vehicle battery each day from the sun.
For my location, a 10 kw array will generate a low of 798 kWh in Dec and Jan and a high of 1776 kWh for July.
That's a range of 25-57 kWh/day that can get put into the EV battery.

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How many miles can an EV go using 25 kw of it gets 70 mpge, if it gets 130 mpge?

Same question using 57 kw

Alright, let's work through this carefully:



First, "MPGe" means "miles per gallon equivalent."
1 gallon of gas = 33.7 kWh of energy (that's the official EPA conversion).

So if an EV gets 70 MPGe, that means it can travel 70 miles using 33.7 kWh.
If it gets 130 MPGe, it can travel 130 miles using 33.7 kWh.



Step 1: Find miles per kWh
At 70 MPGe:
Miles per kWh = 70/33.7 = approx 2.08 miles per kWh
At 130 MPGe:
Miles per kWh = 130/33.7 = approx 3.86 miles per kWh



Step 2: Now use that to figure out how far you can go with (winter) 25 kWh:
At 70 MPGe:
25 x 2.08 = 52 miles
At 130 MPGe:
25 x 3.86 = 96.5 miles



Step 3: Same thing for (summer) 57 kWh:
At 70 MPGe:
57 x 2.08 = 118.6 miles
At 130 MPGe:
57 x 3.86 = 220.0 miles

Conclusion:
This system will produce x miles free from the sun.
Winter inefficient EV = 52 miles
Winter efficient EV = 96 miles
Summer inefficient EV = 118 miles
Summer efficient EV = 220 miles

Who drives more than that?

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At $4/gallon of gas, $8k would buy 2000 gallons. At 30 mpg, that's 60,000 miles.
At 10k miles per year, that's 6 years of driving.

The solar gas station setup will last for 25 years.


Now, you'll say, "I can't charge my car if I'm driving it, or it's parked at work."
Correct. Then you'd need batteries. How many batteries? How long will they last?

I'll leave that for another post.

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Why the hell would anyone pay 82k for one of those things? They still have to pay more to charge it, register it, insurance…. That's expensive A to B.

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Electricity is cheaper than gas, fortunately.

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So, I went to do some calculations. It can all get muddied doing math between mpg and mpge, or cost per mile so I'll just summarize.

If someone is getting their electricity from the sun, charging at home, it's definitely cheaper, provided their installation was cheap. That depends on the build.

Around the country many places can get cheap electricity from their local utility. Sub 10 cents could be reasonable. But here in CA, or at your local EV charging station, you can pay 50 cents per kWh.

Now, the cybertruck gets maybe 70-75 mpge. Evan at 40 cents per kWh, that's more expensive than a car that gets 30 mpg at $5/gallon of gas:

Vehicle: Cost per Mile
Cybertruck (at 40/kWh): 18.8 per mile
30 mpg car (at $5/gal): 16.7 per mile


Of course, gasoline is cheaper in many parts of the country, too. Maybe $3.



I'm an advocate of EVs and of solar. But the cybertruck is not a cost efficient form of transportation. The most efficient EVs are nearly double at 130 mpge. If one builds their own solar array and charging station and gets a cheap EV transportation can be relatively cheap.

Most cybertrucks I've seen (all) are being driven like cars on the freeway. They are expensive and ugly in my opinion.

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We have had a Tesla for about 8 years. It has been charged at an EV station charging station less than a dozen times in that entire span. The other 1500 times it has been charged overnight at off-peak pricing, which is 24 cents per kwh. Average mpg for a car on the road is about 25 mpg, not 30 FYI and gas here is indeed nearly $5 per gallon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/26/us/marin-tesla-owners-musk.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

An epic comical read. Buying a Tesla to "save the planet" was always a con (like Musk) for affluent virtue seeking suckers

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/nyregion/new-york-tesla-dealerships-doge.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

State of New York seeking to revoke Tesla's license to sell cars direct in state

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/nyregion/new-york-tesla-dealerships-doge.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

State of New York seeking to revoke Tesla's license to sell cars direct in state

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That's silly. Musk can destroy his own business without any help.

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Silver lining: Porsche may switch Taycan production to the US.

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Honest question.
Won't that take 2 years to execute?

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Relocation doesnt appear to be in the cards.

https://carbuzz.com/porsche-is-currently-experience-a-hell-of-its-own-making/

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Silver lining: Porsche may switch Taycan production to the US.

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Honest question.
Won't that take 2 years to execute?

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Relocation doesnt appear to be in the cards.

https://carbuzz.com/porsche-is-currently-experience-a-hell-of-its-own-making/

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Porsche's long term survival is threatened by a combination of US tariffs, Chinse competition and EU green agenda (combustion engines to be banned in 2035). VW might collapse before that.

Tesla Cybertruck Inventory Skyrockets Despite Discounts


https://www.mediaite.com/news/teslas-inventory-of-unsold-cybertrucks-skyrockets-despite-offering-10k-discounts-and-concealing-listings/

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Is the Tesla Cybertruck Really as Dangerous as the Ford Pinto?


https://www.inc.com/sarah-sicard/is-the-tesla-cybertruck-really-as-dangerous-as-the-ford-pinto/91147975



Tesla Cybertruck Has The Same Door Handle Quirk That Landed Ford In Legal Trouble


https://carbuzz.com/tesla-cybertruck-has-the-same-door-handle-quirk-that-landed-ford-in-legal-trouble/

Testimony Reveals Doors Would Not Open on Cybertruck That Caught Fire in Piedmont, Killing Three


https://sfist.com/2025/03/11/testimony-reveals-doors-would-not-open-on-cybertruck-that-caught-fire-in-piedmont-killing-three/

Telsa will be writing some large settlement checks for its vehicle that isn't "any more dangerous than other performance vehicles."

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The Cyber Truck, like all other Tesla models, in addition to the electronic push button, has a fully mechanical manual door release on the door armrests that works just like any other manual interior car door release and does not require any power from the vehicle whatsoever.

Should it have a breathalyzer for cocaine, alcohol, and meth, which the passengers were on when the driver recklessly rammed and wedged it between a wall and tree?

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html

Also, on the Cyber Truck death rate ....

"In 2 crashes and 1 incident in their first full year on American roads, the Cybertrucks burned 5 occupants who died," Leadfoot writes. "That would be a crash in Piedmont CA with 3 fatalities, a crash in Baytown TX with 1 fatality, and I'm including the incident in Las Vegas NV that I am sure you are all familiar with."

In the final incident, the driver shot himself and exploded fireworks and fuel cannisters in the trunk of the car. Journalism is dead. The leading stat comparing them to Pintos is useless.

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Yeah, I don't think the Cybertruck is any less safe than other Tesla. Teslas are pretty damn safe.

The Cybertruck, unlike other Teslas, is ugly as hell, largely impractical, held together by ineffective glue and just not appealing to *most* people. Cybertruck is a giant swing and a miss.

It's just a lame vehicle. So, so dumb.

Elon's brand damaging behavior and tendency to shoot himself in the foot aside, Tesla has many things going for it, especially in terms of AI being coupled with actual physical, mobile objects.

The Cybertruck isn't one of those things.

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Tesla Cybertruck Inventory Skyrockets Despite Discounts


https://www.mediaite.com/news/teslas-inventory-of-unsold-cybertrucks-skyrockets-despite-offering-10k-discounts-and-concealing-listings/

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Ship them to Ukraine's eastern front and autopilot them into Russia.
They are indestructible.
Then explode their batteries like bombs.

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The Cybertruck, unlike other Teslas, is ugly as hell, largely impractical, held together by ineffective glue and just not appealing to *most* people. Cybertruck is a giant swing and a miss.

It's just a lame vehicle. So, so dumb.

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The Tesla Cybertruck was designed by Franz von Holzhausen, who is the Chief Designer at Tesla. He translates Elon Musk's ideas into design concepts. The Cybertruck's design is known for its angular, futuristic look.



Maybe do market research on the design first.
Maybe listen to feedback.

https://www.businessinsider.com/some-tesla-engineers-hated-cybertruck-design-elon-musk-biography-2023-9

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"A majority of the people in this studio hated it," von Holzhausen said of the futuristic design, according to the book. "They were like, 'You can't be serious.' They didn't want to have anything to do with it. It was just too weird."

Some Tesla engineers even took to covertly designing another version of the electric pickup after they saw a mock-up of the futuristic truck on display at SpaceX's showroom in Los Angeles during the summer of 2019, Isaacson, who shadowed Musk for three years, wrote.

"I don't do focus groups," the Tesla CEO said, according to Isaacson.

Rather than focus on adjusting the design, Musk told von Holzhausen that he wanted a driveable version of the vehicle that he could demo at a Tesla event in November, which von Holzhausen said "forced the team to come together, work twenty-four-seven," Isaacson wrote.

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concordtom said:

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The Cybertruck, unlike other Teslas, is ugly as hell, largely impractical, held together by ineffective glue and just not appealing to *most* people. Cybertruck is a giant swing and a miss.

It's just a lame vehicle. So, so dumb.

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The Tesla Cybertruck was designed by Franz von Holzhausen, who is the Chief Designer at Tesla. He translates Elon Musk's ideas into design concepts. The Cybertruck's design is known for its angular, futuristic look.



Maybe do market research on the design first.
Maybe listen to feedback.

https://www.businessinsider.com/some-tesla-engineers-hated-cybertruck-design-elon-musk-biography-2023-9

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"A majority of the people in this studio hated it," von Holzhausen said of the futuristic design, according to the book. "They were like, 'You can't be serious.' They didn't want to have anything to do with it. It was just too weird."

Some Tesla engineers even took to covertly designing another version of the electric pickup after they saw a mock-up of the futuristic truck on display at SpaceX's showroom in Los Angeles during the summer of 2019, Isaacson, who shadowed Musk for three years, wrote.

"I don't do focus groups," the Tesla CEO said, according to Isaacson.

Rather than focus on adjusting the design, Musk told von Holzhausen that he wanted a driveable version of the vehicle that he could demo at a Tesla event in November, which von Holzhausen said "forced the team to come together, work twenty-four-seven," Isaacson wrote.

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The Isaacson book is fantastic, honestly.

Exploring this design choice origin further:

The Tesla Cybertruck was officially designed by Franz von Holzhausen, Tesla's chief designer, but its radical form was heavily influenced by Elon Musk's vision.

Musk specifically wanted a futuristic, sci-fi-inspired vehiclehe referenced Blade Runner often, even timing the Cybertruck's reveal in November 2019 to coincide with the date that the movie was set in. Musk pushed for a "cyberpunk" aesthetic and emphasized the use of ultra-hard stainless steel (also used in SpaceX rockets), which drove the unique angular, exoskeleton-style body.

Holzhausen and his team interpreted Musk's direction into a physical design that rejected traditional automotive stylingno curves, no paint, and a geometric silhouette that's almost alien to most modern vehicles.


Here's a breakdown of the design influences, as well as the key specs and engineering features of the Tesla Cybertruckshowing how Elon Musk's vision translated into a real vehicle through Franz von Holzhausen's design work:



Design Influences

1. Blade Runner Aesthetic:
Musk frequently cited Blade Runner (1982) as the Cybertruck's spiritual inspiration.
This meant a dystopian, angular, industrial lookalmost like a vehicle from a future wasteland.

2. Cyberpunk Culture:
The name "Cybertruck" and its stark, metallic aesthetic are nods to cyberpunka genre that blends high tech with gritty realism.
Musk wanted it to feel like something that "doesn't belong on the road."

3. Function Over Form:
Inspired by military vehicles and utility trucks, the Cybertruck has flat panels and a triangular profile to emphasize strength and durability over luxury or tradition.

4. Materials from SpaceX:
The cold-rolled stainless steel (30X series) used for the exoskeleton is the same alloy SpaceX uses for the Starship rocket. This influenced the truck's unpainted, brushed metal appearance.



Key Engineering Features

1. Exoskeleton Frame:
Unlike traditional trucks that have a body-on-frame construction, the Cybertruck uses an exoskeletonthe outer shell is the structural support.
This results in high strength and resistance to dents and corrosion.

2. Armor Glass:
Tesla claimed the windows use ultra-strong polymer-layered glass, though the infamous reveal showed the prototype window cracking when hit with a metal ball.
The goal was to have high resistance to breakagenot full bulletproofing, but closer to "armored glass-lite."

3. Adaptive Air Suspension:
Ground clearance adjusts from 8" to 16", allowing the truck to handle off-road, urban, or highway conditions.
It can self-level under heavy loads and can "kneel" for easier loading.

4. Electric Powertrain:
Available in dual, tri, and quad-motor configurations (quad-motor version released later).
060 mph time as low as 2.6 seconds (for the high-performance model).

5. Payload and Towing:
Payload capacity: around 3,500 lbs
Towing capacity: up to 14,000 lbs, depending on the configuration

6. Interior and Features:
Minimalist interior with a marble-like composite dashboard.
Seating for six (front bench seat design).
17" central touchscreen interface.

7. Vault Bed Design:
The truck bed ("vault") is covered by a retractable tonneau cover that's lockable and strong enough to stand on.
6.5-foot bed with built-in power outlets and even an onboard air compressorideal for camping, construction, and outdoor use.

Musk thought it would be cool.
Lots of people think otherwise.

My mom had an original Delorean. That was cool. Cybertruck is not.

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Musk thought it would be cool.
Lots of people think otherwise.

My mom had an original Delorean. That was cool. Cybertruck is not.

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Delorean's wife was cool, for sure.



…..as was his wife before her, Ricky Nelson's sister in law:

It's MAGA based

concordtom said:

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Musk thought it would be cool.
Lots of people think otherwise.

My mom had an original Delorean. That was cool. Cybertruck is not.

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Mods, please rename this thread to what concordtom thinks is cool, and then move it to the women's basketball board.

Model S is - 17.2% Year over Year



Tesla Tops List of Used Cars With Biggest Price Drops - iSeeCars.com

Europeans Are Refusing To Buy Teslas As Sales Crater

All in all, Tesla sold just 885 vehicles in Germany in April. It's the fourth straight month of sales declines to kick off a miserable 2025 for Elon Musk's automaker. Its cumulative year-to-date drop is now over 60%, according to Reuters. Somehow, its sales were even worse in the UK, where sales dropped to just 512 units in the fourth month of 2025. In April of 2024, it moved 1,352 vehicles. It has caused its market share to drop from 12.5% a year ago to just 9.3% today.

In both countries, the automaker's website says it estimated deliveries of the facelifted Model Y crossover will start sometime in June, but it's still going to take a few months before sales data shows if this refresh was enough to actually get customers to forget the fact Elon Musk has aligned himself with far-right political parties across the world especially Germany's AfD party.

"Tesla death spiral, no end in sight "



In the first quarter of this year, all-electric car sales in the European Union went up by 23.9%. Despite this, Tesla's sales in the region plummeted by 45% to just 36,167 units, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA). At the same time, Tesla's market share went from 2.4% last year to 1.3% in the first quarter of this year.


In the enlarged market of the European Union, the United Kingdom, and the European Free Trade Association (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland), Tesla sales fell by 37.3% in the first quarter as overall EV sales went up 28%.


In the United States, the company had a softer fall, but a fall nonetheless. While total EV sales grew 11.4% in the first quarter, Tesla's numbers went down 8.6%, according to data from Cox Automotive.

That car held up pretty well actually.

Let's salvage those tires!!!
The rims are probably still good, too!

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Why did they ruin one of the non-ugly Teslas? Cybertruck is so much more deserving.