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China, of course being the largest auto market in the world.

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MAGA and Americans in general are deluded.
Too much john Wayne style ww2 hero flag waving brain-setting (mindset) for too many years.
It's sets us up for a fall. Lazy and expectant. Everyone thinks they should retire on an island with cocktails. That's not how it works for rest of world's population, and that hungry and drive and settling for less gives them an advantage.
No US politician will tell the American people that because the people don't want to hear it. Collision course with reality.

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Liberals are deluded. It is weak to criticize the CEO of a fortune 500 company for wanting to sell cars to the largest auto market in the world. Did you go on the rage ritual retreat so you can scream at the trees and bang branches into the ground?

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You are such an endless dufus.
I wasn't criticizing him because he WANTS to sell cars in China.

Way to create something out of nothing.
Back on ignore.

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No reason to call me names. Your role was simply being part of the discussion where another poster ridiculously criticized Musk for selling cars in China. Take it easy.

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China, of course being the largest auto market in the world.

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MAGA and Americans in general are deluded.
Too much john Wayne style ww2 hero flag waving brain-setting (mindset) for too many years.
It's sets us up for a fall. Lazy and expectant. Everyone thinks they should retire on an island with cocktails. That's not how it works for rest of world's population, and that hungry and drive and settling for less gives them an advantage.
No US politician will tell the American people that because the people don't want to hear it. Collision course with reality.

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Liberals are deluded. It is weak to criticize the CEO of a fortune 500 company for wanting to sell cars to the largest auto market in the world. Did you go on the rage ritual retreat so you can scream at the trees and bang branches into the ground?

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You are such an endless dufus.
I wasn't criticizing him because he WANTS to sell cars in China.

Way to create something out of nothing.
Back on ignore.

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No reason to call me names. Your role was simply being part of the discussion where another poster ridiculously criticized Musk for selling cars in China. Take it easy.

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So says the guy calling liberals names.

I'm not sure who you think was criticizing Musk for selling cars in China. I'm guessing it was Diablo Wags. You should take it up with him.

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Thanks officer.

I was interested in Australia because they don't have USA or Euro tariff barriers.

ChatGPT:

In 2024, Tesla sold 38,347 vehicles in Australia, marking a 16.9% decline compared to 2023. The Model Y, Tesla's best-selling vehicle in the country, saw a 26.1% drop in sales, with 21,253 units delivered. Meanwhile, the Model 3 had a smaller decline of 1.5%, with 17,094 units sold. Tesla's sales were down in nine out of twelve months, despite price reductions on both models. The company's best-performing month was March, with over 6,000 deliveries, while January had the steepest decline at -66.6% year-over-year


The best-selling EVs in Australia in 2024 so far are dominated by Tesla, with the **Model Y** leading at **21,253** units sold, followed by the **Model 3** at **17,094**. Other top sellers include the **MG4 (6,934)**, **BYD Seal (6,393)**, and **BYD Atto 3 (5,751)**.

Chinese brands like BYD and MG are gaining significant market share, while premium brands such as Hyundai, Mercedes-Benz, and Audi are struggling due to a toughening market and reduced government incentives. Some models from BMW and Mercedes-Benz have bucked the trend, like the **BMW i4 (2,062 sales, up 484%)** and the **Mercedes-Benz EQE SUV (759 sales, up 201%)**.

Other notable EVs include the **BMW iX1 (2,618)**, **Volvo EX30 (2,129)**, **BYD Dolphin (2,116)**, and **Kia EV6 (1,785)**. Traditional brands like Toyota and Nissan are seeing lower numbers, with the **Toyota bZ4X at 977 sales** and the **Nissan Leaf at 357 sales** [

I think Tesla could very quickly be surpassed by Chinese EVs, and USA will be last to benefit from their constructions because we are now a protectionistic nation in certain industries.

Ford and GM (and Tesla, sorry) will duke it out for the North American market, losing everywhere else.

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The stock-market volatility of the past several weeks was good for one thing: A silly exchange-traded-fund concept melted down in record time.

Five weeks ago, Defiance ETFs launched its flagship "Battleshares" fund, (ticker ELON). It gives owners double exposure to Tesla coupled with a "short" on Ford Motor. The bet against the Detroit stalwart, founded by Henry Ford a century before Tesla came into being, is used to help pay for the enhanced wager on the EV-maker's shares.

How's that working?
ELON has lost investors two-thirds of their money.

"Suckers and Losers"



Other proposed Battleshares would pit weight-loss drug maker Eli Lilly against KFC owner Yum Brands, bitcoin-owner MicroStrategy against JPMorgan Chase and slumping Nvidia against resurgent Intel.

If plans are shelved, sparing speculators from being enticed by similarly dumb ideas, they'll have ELON to thank for itand, indirectly, Elon too.

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That's plucking hilarious.
How about shorting ELON in order to double short TSLA without the mkt risk?

Lots of insider selling ...

Top 4 Officers sell $100 million in stock

https://abc7.com/post/top-tesla-officials-sell-shares-recent-weeks-not-positive-sign/16046098/?ex_cid=TA_KABC_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0xJqlADPIhIK24MkWXH4jl4eFEzPs7ul1V_kxAqZ696F_J2tTQtpdxLZY_aem_OLdeU8XfuVfAsp8wN6HUOQ

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Lots of insider selling ...

Top 4 Officers sell $100 million in stock

https://abc7.com/post/top-tesla-officials-sell-shares-recent-weeks-not-positive-sign/16046098/?ex_cid=TA_KABC_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0xJqlADPIhIK24MkWXH4jl4eFEzPs7ul1V_kxAqZ696F_J2tTQtpdxLZY_aem_OLdeU8XfuVfAsp8wN6HUOQ

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Booth.
The company was worth around 1.5 trillion dollars and only $100 million was sold in planned stock sales? How does that compare to Amazon, per my post in the other thread when this same thing was posted?

TESLA recalling 46,000 Cybertrucks for rail panels falling off.
Ooops!

Tesla is recalling most Cybertrucks due to exterior panel issue | CNN Business

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TESLA recalling 46,000 Cybertrucks for rail panels falling off.
Ooops!

Tesla is recalling most Cybertrucks due to exterior panel issue | CNN Business

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Why are you boothing yourself? This is the fourth time this has been posted as new news? Are you just trolling?

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TESLA recalling 46,000 Cybertrucks for rail panels falling off.
Ooops!

Tesla is recalling most Cybertrucks due to exterior panel issue | CNN Business

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Why are you boothing yourself? This is the fourth time this has been posted as new news? Are you just trolling?

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Why do you care?
Who made you the Bearinsider police?

Given your logic, I guess Barron's and Business Insider and CNN also "boothed" too.
Maybe you should contact them too.

Tesla Cybertruck Recall: What to Know - Barron's

March 20th, 2025, 10:06 AM EDT

It's another recall for Tesla's Cybertruck, this time for 46,000 of them

March 20th, 2025, 4:39 AM PDT

Tesla is recalling most Cybertrucks due to exterior panel issue | CNN Business

March 20th, 2025, 10:19 AM EDT

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This is more equivalent to a publication posting the same article three times on its website in the same three day span. The Editor would be reprimanded if he did that. You boothed, again, and your logic sucks.

This isn't the first time that Elon Musk has shown he doesn't understand how brands function.

Tesla's brand is now undergoing a significant shift as Musk has changed the company's image from a symbol of progressive values to an antagonist of its former customer base, leading to a decline in sales and a 45% drop in European sales.

Think those Trump MAGA folks are gonna be buying EV's in the Midwest to make up for the progressive's in NY and NJ and CA bailing on the brand?

Think again.

They don't care about climate change.
In fact, they don't even believe in it.

Epic Fail Elon.

Harvard Business School will be teaching a course on what just happened here.
You can count on it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-18/elon-musk-s-tesla-bet-on-maga-customers-will-fail?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0MjU3MTE2MCwiZXhwIjoxNzQzMTc1OTYwLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTVEJENEREV1JHRzAwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.XqR6F4esk7-Bhkw_TA-ZfrXgclBxgcje9HfRqX5d08Q

Tesla back up around $250. Hopefully, folks here didn't lose money adding a late short to TESLA or shorting ELON, as was suggested on this forum.

BYD is releasing new EVs with battery charging time of 5min, about 4x faster than Tesla

Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Tesla back up around $250. Hopefully, folks here didn't lose money adding a late short to TESLA or shorting ELON, as was suggested on this forum.

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You're so cute when you follow me around all day long replying to nearly everyone one of my posts.
Especially when you make **** up.

Your OBSESSION with me continues.
I'm glad that I am able to give you something to do in life.

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Let's be clear. I neither made anything up or replied to you here. You are obviously the one making stuff up. Apparently, I am giving you something to do in life.

Spot on.
He's going to lose his retail car business if this continues.
SpaceX will continue.
He needs to Hope the robots business works, but if you and I had one today, what are we going to be able to tell it to do for us?

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This isn't the first time that Elon Musk has shown he doesn't understand how brands function.

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He doesn't understand PEOPLE. ITS A "feature" of who he is.

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Tesla's brand is now undergoing a significant shift as Musk has changed the company's image from a symbol of progressive values to an antagonist of its former customer base, leading to a decline in sales and a 45% drop in European sales.

Think those Trump MAGA folks are gonna be buying EV's in the Midwest to make up for the progressive's in NY and NJ and CA bailing on the brand?

Think again.

They don't care about climate change.
In fact, they don't even believe in it.

Epic Fail Elon.

Harvard Business School will be teaching a course on what just happened here.
You can count on it.

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The movies will tell the story for all the non Harvard folks.

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Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Wife thinks it's all BS, apparently.
He wants to see profits TODAY.

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Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Wife thinks it's all BS, apparently.
He wants to see profits TODAY.

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Tom, this is getting absurd. You need to stop characterizing what I and other people say because you clearly are not understanding the discussion in many important aspects. For those that want to actually read what I wrote, they can read the other big Tesla thread. FWIW, my commentary is that Tesla's stock is incredibly overvalued based on its EV business. And I suspect Diablo agrees with me, based on the tenor of his comments in this thread. BTW, Tom how long was it before Tesla was profitable? It isn't exactly about profits, but future profits which gets back to what Tesla insanely high price earnings ratio is based on, and if you bother to read analyst reports, the high value is not based on their presently declining EV business.

As for what seem should be relevant to even the most amateur investor, there is a huge difference between faster charging machines and having a national network of working charging stations. If it was all about speed, we would filling up our German cars at vast Electrify America fueling areas that actually had working and well maintained chargers at convenient locations, none of which is happening even though when you can get to an EA station that doesn't have a long wait, the charge time is way faster than chargng at a Tersla supercharger station presently. The problem is that already Tesla has the the network, has done and can afford all the real estate work, has way more locations (and more convenient locations) and has the ability to maintain its supercharger system, none of which is true for its competitors in the US. And oh yes, the Chinese are not competitors in the US thanks to Presidents Trump and Biden. So you are wasting our time talking about quick Chinese chargers when it comes to the protectionist US.

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Wife thinks it's all BS, apparently.
He wants to see profits TODAY.

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Tom, this is getting absurd. You need to stop characterizing what I and other people say because you clearly are not understanding the discussion in many important aspects. For those that want to actually read what I wrote, they can read the other big Tesla thread. FWIW, my commentary is that Tesla's stock is incredibly overvalued based on its EV business. And I suspect Diablo agrees with me, based on the tenor of his comments in this thread. BTW, Tom how long was it before Tesla was profitable? It isn't exactly about profits, but future profits which gets back to what Tesla insanely high price earnings ratio is based on, and if you bother to read analyst reports, the high value is not based on their presently declining EV business.

As for what seem should be relevant to even the most amateur investor, there is a huge difference between faster charging machines and having a national network of working charging stations. If it was all about speed, we would filling up our German cars at vast Electrify America fueling areas that actually had working and well maintained chargers at convenient locations, none of which is happening even though when you can get to an EA station that doesn't have a long wait, the charge time is way faster than chargng at a Tersla supercharger station presently. The problem is that already Tesla has the the network, has done and can afford all the real estate work, has way more locations (and more convenient locations) and has the ability to maintain its supercharger system, none of which is true for its competitors in the US. And oh yes, the Chinese are not competitors in the US thanks to Presidents Trump and Biden. So you are wasting our time talking about quick Chinese chargers when it comes to the protectionist US.

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I'm sorry to be upsetting you.
And I don't know why we are zipping past one another.

I never said anything about fast Chinese chargERS. Don't know about them.

Maybe EA needs https://www.chargerhelp.com/

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wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Wife thinks it's all BS, apparently.
He wants to see profits TODAY.

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Tom, this is getting absurd. You need to stop characterizing what I and other people say because you clearly are not understanding the discussion in many important aspects. For those that want to actually read what I wrote, they can read the other big Tesla thread. FWIW, my commentary is that Tesla's stock is incredibly overvalued based on its EV business. And I suspect Diablo agrees with me, based on the tenor of his comments in this thread. BTW, Tom how long was it before Tesla was profitable? It isn't exactly about profits, but future profits which gets back to what Tesla insanely high price earnings ratio is based on, and if you bother to read analyst reports, the high value is not based on their presently declining EV business.

As for what seem should be relevant to even the most amateur investor, there is a huge difference between faster charging machines and having a national network of working charging stations. If it was all about speed, we would filling up our German cars at vast Electrify America fueling areas that actually had working and well maintained chargers at convenient locations, none of which is happening even though when you can get to an EA station that doesn't have a long wait, the charge time is way faster than chargng at a Tersla supercharger station presently. The problem is that already Tesla has the the network, has done and can afford all the real estate work, has way more locations (and more convenient locations) and has the ability to maintain its supercharger system, none of which is true for its competitors in the US. And oh yes, the Chinese are not competitors in the US thanks to Presidents Trump and Biden. So you are wasting our time talking about quick Chinese chargers when it comes to the protectionist US.

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I never said anything about fast Chinese chargERS. Don't know about them.

Maybe EA needs https://www.chargerhelp.com/

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Tom, please read the exposed chain of posts in my post. Your comment about me requiring immediate profits seems to be a direct response to the discussion on fast chargers.

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wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Wife thinks it's all BS, apparently.
He wants to see profits TODAY.

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Tom, this is getting absurd. You need to stop characterizing what I and other people say because you clearly are not understanding the discussion in many important aspects. For those that want to actually read what I wrote, they can read the other big Tesla thread. FWIW, my commentary is that Tesla's stock is incredibly overvalued based on its EV business. And I suspect Diablo agrees with me, based on the tenor of his comments in this thread. BTW, Tom how long was it before Tesla was profitable? It isn't exactly about profits, but future profits which gets back to what Tesla insanely high price earnings ratio is based on, and if you bother to read analyst reports, the high value is not based on their presently declining EV business.

As for what seem should be relevant to even the most amateur investor, there is a huge difference between faster charging machines and having a national network of working charging stations. If it was all about speed, we would filling up our German cars at vast Electrify America fueling areas that actually had working and well maintained chargers at convenient locations, none of which is happening even though when you can get to an EA station that doesn't have a long wait, the charge time is way faster than chargng at a Tersla supercharger station presently. The problem is that already Tesla has the the network, has done and can afford all the real estate work, has way more locations (and more convenient locations) and has the ability to maintain its supercharger system, none of which is true for its competitors in the US. And oh yes, the Chinese are not competitors in the US thanks to Presidents Trump and Biden. So you are wasting our time talking about quick Chinese chargers when it comes to the protectionist US.

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I never said anything about fast Chinese chargERS. Don't know about them.

Maybe EA needs https://www.chargerhelp.com/

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Tom, please read the exposed chain of posts in my post. Your comment about me requiring immediate profits seems to be a direct response to the discussion on fast chargers.

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Oh. The BYD charging solution, not just the cars.
I had seen something that said they may, if I understood correctly, divide the car into two batteries and have two 500v charging plugs simultaneously charge, in order to get to that whopping 1000v, rapid charging.

I found this summary, which doesn't describe it that way.



Oh, here's the guy who mentioned dual chargers for one charging trip.



But here's the one I suspect you may like - he calls it pure fantasy. Though, I'll stop trying to put words or opinions on your username.

concordtom said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Yup, I saw that.

You can literally get charged nearly as quick as filling up at the pumps.
Impressive!

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Wife thinks it's all BS, apparently.
He wants to see profits TODAY.

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Tom, this is getting absurd. You need to stop characterizing what I and other people say because you clearly are not understanding the discussion in many important aspects. For those that want to actually read what I wrote, they can read the other big Tesla thread. FWIW, my commentary is that Tesla's stock is incredibly overvalued based on its EV business. And I suspect Diablo agrees with me, based on the tenor of his comments in this thread. BTW, Tom how long was it before Tesla was profitable? It isn't exactly about profits, but future profits which gets back to what Tesla insanely high price earnings ratio is based on, and if you bother to read analyst reports, the high value is not based on their presently declining EV business.

As for what seem should be relevant to even the most amateur investor, there is a huge difference between faster charging machines and having a national network of working charging stations. If it was all about speed, we would filling up our German cars at vast Electrify America fueling areas that actually had working and well maintained chargers at convenient locations, none of which is happening even though when you can get to an EA station that doesn't have a long wait, the charge time is way faster than chargng at a Tersla supercharger station presently. The problem is that already Tesla has the the network, has done and can afford all the real estate work, has way more locations (and more convenient locations) and has the ability to maintain its supercharger system, none of which is true for its competitors in the US. And oh yes, the Chinese are not competitors in the US thanks to Presidents Trump and Biden. So you are wasting our time talking about quick Chinese chargers when it comes to the protectionist US.

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I never said anything about fast Chinese chargERS. Don't know about them.

Maybe EA needs https://www.chargerhelp.com/

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Tom, please read the exposed chain of posts in my post. Your comment about me requiring immediate profits seems to be a direct response to the discussion on fast chargers.

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Oh. The BYD charging solution, not just the cars.
I had seen something that said they may, if I understood correctly, divide the car into two batteries and have two 500v charging plugs simultaneously charge, in order to get to that whopping 1000v, rapid charging.

I found this summary, which doesn't describe it that way.



Oh, here's the guy who mentioned dual chargers for one charging trip.



But here's the one I suspect you may like - he calls it pure fantasy. Though, I'll stop trying to put words or opinions on your username.

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The last guy on your post seems politically biased against EVs, here is his YT channel banner:



I used to be very dubious about EVs not that long ago, only changed my mind recently.

I included him because it's been one sided in other direction. I like to have balance where reasonable.

Tesla back up around $270. Hopefully, folks here didn't lose money adding a late short to TESLA or shorting ELON, as was suggested on this forum.

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Tesla back up around $270. Hopefully, folks here didn't lose money adding a late short to TESLA or shorting ELON, as was suggested on this forum.

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How many shares have you bought in the past week?