concordtom said:

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Our political system is so altered from the Constitution!
Separation of powers?
Co-equal branches of government?
Gone.



Republican Thomas Massie of KY:

"This is not our war. But if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our constitution," he posted on X on June 16.

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Massey must be living in a cave.
Wake up.

The War Powers Act was last used in 1942 and not for any other "war" or military conflict ever since. Congress has literally had no say.

Do y'all know the story called the Doolittle Raid, where US forces attacked mainland Japan 4 months after Pearl Harbor ?
It was a surprise which Japan didn't think possible.

Don't be surprised when Iran lashes back in unique or unknown ways.


Of course, as I told a family member last night, you'll blame Democrats when it happens. And by "you", we all know who I'm talking to here.

We are NOT more secure today.
Good job, Trump, you flocking a-hole dick head!!!

Am waiting for one of the usual MAGA knuckleheads or Putin propagandists to "parrot" Colonel Douglas MacGregor about how IRAN IS GETTING STRONGER WITH EACH PASSING DAY.

Iran didnt even get off a single plane or missile fired during Operation Midnight Hammer.

Their airspace was OUR AIRSPACE.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-hold-briefing-u-strikes-033600586.html

"More than 125 U.S. aircraft participated in this mission," Caine said, including the B-2 bombers, fighter jets, refueling planes and surveillance aircraft. More than 75 precision-guided weapons were used in the attack and 7 B-2's dropped a total of 12 GBU-57 MOPS.

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Our political system is so altered from the Constitution!
Separation of powers?
Co-equal branches of government?
Gone.



Republican Thomas Massie of KY:

"This is not our war. But if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our constitution," he posted on X on June 16.

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Massey must be living in a cave.
Wake up.

The War Powers Act was last used in 1942 and not for any other "war" or military conflict ever since. Congress has literally had no say.

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That's not really accurate. Congress has passed "authorizations" many times since 1942 and something similar is constitutionally required to join this war also.

dajo said:

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That's not really accurate. Congress has passed "authorizations" many times since 1942 and something similar is constitutionally required to join this war also.

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When was the last time a "resolution" came out of Congress authorizing military force?

Answer: 2002

DiabloWags said:

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dajo said:

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That's not really accurate. Congress has passed "authorizations" many times since 1942 and something similar is constitutionally required to join this war also.

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When was the last time a "resolution" came out of Congress authorizing military force?

Answer: 2002

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Thank you for admitting your previous claim was wrong

This is how dumb they think magats are:

JD VANCE: "We're not at war with Iran. We're at war with Iran's nuclear program."

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Republican Thomas Massie of KY:

"This is not our war. But if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our constitution," he posted on X on June 16.

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Massey must be living in a cave.
Wake up.

The War Powers Act was last used in 1942 and not for any other "war" or military conflict ever since. Congress has literally had no say.

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The WPA was enacted in 1973 in response to Vietnam. However, most presidents from both parties rebuff the act, including Clinton and Obama outright not complying

dajo9 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo said:

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That's not really accurate. Congress has passed "authorizations" many times since 1942 and something similar is constitutionally required to join this war also.

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When was the last time a "resolution" came out of Congress authorizing military force?

Answer: 2002

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Thank you for admitting your previous claim was wrong

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Your reading comprehension is poor.
A "resolution" is not a declaration of war.
There have only been 6 "declarations" of war by Congress in American history.

tequila4kapp said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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Republican Thomas Massie of KY:

"This is not our war. But if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our constitution," he posted on X on June 16.

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Massey must be living in a cave.
Wake up.

The War Powers Act was last used in 1942 and not for any other "war" or military conflict ever since. Congress has literally had no say.

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The WPA was enacted in 1973 in response to Vietnam. However, most presidents from both parties rebuff the act, including Clinton and Obama outright not complying

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Yes, I stand corrected.

And the last time Congress declared War was in 1942 against Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary.
I believe it's been used a total of 6 times.

Nixon tried to veto the WPA.

When Congress last used its powers to declare war | Constitution Center

DiabloWags said:

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"More than 125 U.S. aircraft participated in this mission," Caine said, including the B-2 bombers, fighter jets, refueling planes and surveillance aircraft. More than 75 precision-guided weapons were used in the attack and 7 B-2's dropped a total of 12 GBU-57 MOPS.

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In summary:

U.S. on Iran: ~240 tons of precision-guided ordnance the most powerful non-nuclear weapons used operationally to date.

Japanese on Pearl Harbor: ~45-50 tons of conventional bombs/torpedoes.


I wonder if Iran considers last night's bombing a declaration of war. What do you think?

Fordow before the bombing mission:



Fordow after:

Close up view of the ridge before:



Close up view after:




The craters:

A non-stop 18-hour flight from Missouri on Friday.

The "reported" flights of B-2's to Guam were an intentional effort to misdirect attention.
They were decoys flying toward Guam in the Western Pacific.



Operation Midnight Hammer: Timeline of US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities | Fox News

concordtom said:

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Do y'all know the story called the Doolittle Raid, where US forces attacked mainland Japan 4 months after Pearl Harbor ?
It was a surprise which Japan didn't think possible.

Don't be surprised when Iran lashes back in unique or unknown ways.


Of course, as I told a family member last night, you'll blame Democrats when it happens. And by "you", we all know who I'm talking to here.

We are NOT more secure today.
Good job, Trump, you flocking a-hole dick head!!!

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You are correct, there may be unanticipated blowback from this bombing. Years and years from now, history will tell us. In the meantime, partisan politics aside, maybe it was a good idea; maybe not.

While I don't care much for the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons, I'm sure there are hundreds of millions of people around the world who don't like the idea of the United States having them either.


Jimmy Doolittle: Cal, Class of 1922! Let's hope we have some successful bombs on the gridiron this fall!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLMGBeTA1eJ/?igsh=MXRpM3o4b3UxMTlxeQ==

Forever war is happening.

Just to be clear: Even by the optimistic telling of Pentagon officials, Iran's nuclear sites suffered "severe damage." That is pretty obviously a segue into "not destroyed," which will mean more strikes and more U.S. involvement (if destruction really is the goal).

— Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) June 22, 2025

In *literally* the same rhetorical flourish, JD Vance says that we aren't going to get into "some long drawn out thing," then says we've set the nuclear program back and are going to now work to permanently dismantle that program "over the coming years" (!!!) https://t.co/wE77g7VRBe

— Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) June 22, 2025

"Project 2025, also known as the Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise, does mention Iran. While not a central focus, Iran is discussed in the context of its nuclear program and the need for a strong U.S. response. The project outlines a conservative vision for the U.S. government, including a more assertive foreign policy, particularly towards countries perceived as threats, like Iran.

Specifically, Project 2025 emphasizes the following regarding Iran:

Nuclear Program:
It highlights the need for the US to counter Iran's nuclear ambitions and prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.

National Security:
The project calls for a strong US military and a willingness to use force to deter Iran and protect US interests.

Diplomacy:
While advocating for a strong stance, Project 2025 also acknowledges the potential role of diplomacy in addressing the Iranian issue.

Regional Stability:
The project aims to maintain regional stability in the Middle East, which includes addressing the threat posed by Iran's actions.

The project also mentions the need to re-evaluate the Iran nuclear deal, potentially leading to a more confrontational approach."
AI Overview

How Trump's 100 Days Built Off the Far Right Blueprint of Project 2025 | Truthout


https://truthout.org/articles/how-trumps-100-days-built-off-the-far-right-blueprint-of-project-2025/

"I have nothing to do with Project 2025," Donald Trump said during last September's presidential debate. "I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going to read it."

Former Russian president Medvedev chines in:

2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.
3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.

— Dmitry Medvedev (@MedvedevRussiaE) June 22, 2025

Cal88 said:

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Former Russian president Medvedev chines in:

2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.
3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.

— Dmitry Medvedev (@MedvedevRussiaE) June 22, 2025

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Like Russia?

Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan. China probably not nukes, but material for missiles (rare earth, chips).

The way China and Russia treat their Muslim populations, they may eat a suitcase nuke they enabled.

The BRICS have been noticeably silent about this conflict.

Moreover . . . "while both maintain bilateral strategic partnerships with Tehran, neither Russia nor China is a formal military ally, and neither is likely to provide significant military or economic aid due to their own limitations and broader strategic considerations."

As expected.

Given the "absence" of that Movie Guy and Bear1234, it would appear they havent received their talking points yet.

They're probably still looking for Colonel Douglas MacGregor quotes . . . and how IRAN is getting "stronger with each passing day".

DiabloWags said:

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The BRICS have been noticeably silent about this conflict.

Moreover . . . "while both maintain bilateral strategic partnerships with Tehran, neither Russia nor China is a formal military ally, and neither is likely to provide significant military or economic aid due to their own limitations and broader strategic considerations."

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Medvedev has acted like an informal "bad cop" outlet/spokesman for Russia.

I would disagree on that paragraph with the quotations, China and Russia are definitely providing support for Iran, which is a key strategic ally for both countries. The military aspect is more nebulous, although China for instance is likely to provide Iran with access to their GPS system, which is a crucial feature of their missiles guidance system.

Quote:

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AI Overview

Yes, it's likely that China is providing Iran with access to its BeiDou Navigation Satellite System. This is part of a broader strategic partnership between the two countries that includes military and economic cooperation. Iran is one of the few countries to have access to BeiDou, alongside Pakistan.

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China will likely rebuild Iran's infrastructure should it be targeted more severely, and finance its reconstruction through long term oil and gas deals.

DiabloWags said:

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As expected.

Given the "absence" of that Movie Guy and Bear1234, it would appear they havent received their talking points yet.

They're probably still looking for Colonel Douglas MacGregor quotes . . . and how IRAN is getting "stronger with each passing day".

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Grumpy old man likes to pile on. Nothing new here.

bearister said:

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The way China and Russia treat their Muslim populations, they may eat a suitcase nuke they enabled.

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Several of those countries should tread lightly because things could escalate very quickly with the US recognizing Taiwan, Ukraine getting immediate NATO membership or us backing India's claim to Kashmere (?). Not to mention taking out Iran's oil production and what that would do to China (and Iran).