Iran. Oh, the irony...

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11:03a, 7/18/26
By this time, I would hope even the staunchest Trump supporter has realized we're not there to liberate the oppressed people of Iran.

Happy Roevember!
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In reply to Aunburdened • 3:29a, 7/21/26
Aunburdened said:


The problem was, Dementia Don didnt know what he signed. When Iran proceeded with the terms of the MOU, he got bad press and started bombing again.

Now you know why Trump never ended the Afghanistan forever war and why this is a forever war.
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5:53a, 7/21/26
High US casualties after the latest round of Iranian missile and drone attacks on local US bases.

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5:58a, 7/21/26


69% disapprove of Trump's handling of the Iran war.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:51a, 7/21/26
Cal88 said:
High US casualties after the latest round of Iranian missile and drone attacks on local US bases.


Every death is tragic. But in no way whatsoever is has the US had 'high casualties'. This is the most sterile administration of a war ever - with an absolute aversion to boots on the ground - precisely to reduce US casualties.

3 people died in the recent missile attack. A 4th person died blowing up an unexploded Iranian drone. That brings the total to 17. @100 people were injured this week in the ballistic missile attacks. Most of them are reportedly concussions and 96% of those have returned to active duty.
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7:02a
Notice that Iran has not attacked Israel since the war re-started? Curious omission, don't you think? Wonder why.
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In reply to dajo9 • 7:22a
dajo9 said:
Aunburdened said:


The problem was, Dementia Don didnt know what he signed. When Iran proceeded with the terms of the MOU, he got bad press and started bombing again.

Now you know why Trump never ended the Afghanistan forever war and why this is a forever war.


Dementia Don is freaking hilarious after the left babied Biden through his presidency. Braindead Biden is still better.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 7:42a
tequila4kapp said:
Cal88 said:
High US casualties after the latest round of Iranian missile and drone attacks on local US bases.


Every death is tragic. But in no way whatsoever is has the US had 'high casualties'. This is the most sterile administration of a war ever - with an absolute aversion to boots on the ground - precisely to reduce US casualties.

3 people died in the recent missile attack. A 4th person died blowing up an unexploded Iranian drone. That brings the total to 17. @100 people were injured this week in the ballistic missile attacks. Most of them are reportedly concussions and 96% of those have returned to active duty.


430 injured according to MTG, I think the 18 KIA is a gross undercount. I guess we'll find out down the road.

The problem is that these bases are not equipped with reinforced underground bunkers, because they weren't planned against an adversary with a large arsenal of accurate missiles. The Iranians have restrained their responses to date, that would change in a more intense bombing campaign against them.

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Notice that Iran has not attacked Israel since the war re-started? Curious omission, don't you think? Wonder why.

The bases in Jordan, Kuwait etc have installations with radars and THAADs that can detect and shoot down missiles in their more vulnerable early phase, as well they can be used as staging grounds for a ground invasion of Iran. The bases in Jordan would also be used to shoot down drones headed for Israel, so the latest Iranian attacks also set up future attacks on Israel.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:22a
Cal88 said:
430 injured according to MTG, I think the 18 KIA is a gross undercount. I guess we'll find out down the road.

The problem is that these bases are not equipped with reinforced underground bunkers, because they weren't planned against an adversary with a large arsenal of accurate missiles. The Iranians have restrained their responses to date, that would change in a more intense bombing campaign against them.

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Notice that Iran has not attacked Israel since the war re-started? Curious omission, don't you think? Wonder why.

The bases in Jordan, Kuwait etc have installations with radars and THAADs that can detect and shoot down missiles in their more vulnerable early phase, as well they can be used as staging grounds for a ground invasion of Iran. The bases in Jordan would also be used to shoot down drones headed for Israel, so the latest Iranian attacks also set up future attacks on Israel.

I cannot really get into the details but I have reason to believe the KIA number is not substantially different than what is being reported.

I am not sure it is an issue of bunker fortifications. Reading between the lines the 3 most recently killed military members were likely Army troops that operate missile defense systems which - I would think (I do not actually know) - would put them outside of bunkers during an attack. From memory, 6 of the deaths were a mid air refueling accident; another was the munitions explosion I mentioned before; another was a National Guard from NY having a medical event. That is 11 of the 17...I am not sure about the remaining 6 deaths.

I think it is pretty laughable to characterize Iran as being restrained in their response. It is more accurate to say they are being pummeled and have limited capabilities to respond.

The early detection devices existed all along and they have never stopped Iran from firing at Israel before.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 8:44a
tequila4kapp said:
Cal88 said:
430 injured according to MTG, I think the 18 KIA is a gross undercount. I guess we'll find out down the road.

The problem is that these bases are not equipped with reinforced underground bunkers, because they weren't planned against an adversary with a large arsenal of accurate missiles. The Iranians have restrained their responses to date, that would change in a more intense bombing campaign against them.

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Notice that Iran has not attacked Israel since the war re-started? Curious omission, don't you think? Wonder why.

The bases in Jordan, Kuwait etc have installations with radars and THAADs that can detect and shoot down missiles in their more vulnerable early phase, as well they can be used as staging grounds for a ground invasion of Iran. The bases in Jordan would also be used to shoot down drones headed for Israel, so the latest Iranian attacks also set up future attacks on Israel.

I cannot really get into the details but I have reason to believe the KIA number is not substantially different than what is being reported.

I am not sure it is an issue of bunker fortifications. Reading between the lines the 3 most recently killed military members were likely Army troops that operate missile defense systems which - I would think (I do not actually know) - would put them outside of bunkers during an attack. From memory, 6 of the deaths were a mid air refueling accident; another was the munitions explosion I mentioned before; another was a National Guard from NY having a medical event. That is 11 of the 17...I am not sure about the remaining 6 deaths.

I think it is pretty laughable to characterize Iran as being restrained in their response. It is more accurate to say they are being pummeled and have limited capabilities to respond.

The early detection devices existed all along and they have never stopped Iran from firing at Israel before.


The early detection devices can be used to shoot down missiles in their more vulnerable stage, and are also used to issue early warnings in Israel.


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I think it is pretty laughable to characterize Iran as being restrained in their response. It is more accurate to say they are being pummeled and have limited capabilities to respond.

Most reliable sources acknowledge that Iran has retained the great majority of its missile and drone arsenal after the 40 day war. As well there are still many rungs left over on the escalation ladder and the Iranians have been reluctant to climb them. I think for example they have been targeting military equipment rather than army barracks specifically.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 8:53a
tequila4kapp said:
I am not sure it is an issue of bunker fortifications. Reading between the lines the 3 most recently killed military members were likely Army troops that operate missile defense systems which - I would think (I do not actually know) - would put them outside of bunkers during an attack. From memory, 6 of the deaths were a mid air refueling accident; another was the munitions explosion I mentioned before; another was a National Guard from NY having a medical event. That is 11 of the 17...I am not sure about the remaining 6 deaths.

Adding to the above...

According to Al Jazeera, 6 Army soldiers died in the attack on Port Shuaiba, Kuwait. I recall reading at the time they were effectively in an office setting that was protected by concrete barricades. The drone came in over those barricades and hit their building.

Another person was killed during an attack at Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia. I have never seen any reporting about details.

And this puts the total number of deaths at 18 (11+7), not 17.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:28a
An arsenal can remain numerically large while its operational effectiveness is reduced if launchers, logistics, communications, and production infrastructure have been damaged. Seems like that's more likely the situation as of now.
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