tRump will live forever like Kirk Douglas. Both are highly motivated not to see the Afterlife.

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There is no bottom.

WaPo: "President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

"Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?" Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

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Ugh! Just freakin out of control. Is there any wonder why China is kicking our ass in Africa? This type of leadership is counter productive and runs counter to improving U.S. position in strategically important locations throughout the word in places like Hati, Mexico, Africa, or South America.
Is the President racist? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

Apparently it's Obama's fault if you can't go top London without facing massive protest because you have insulted the mayor of the city that you are supposed to stay in? Maybe because you have insulted the British Prime Minister? Maybe it's because you divulged information that shouldn't have been divulged?

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China is doing tons of business in Africa and Afghanistan because of their lax immigration policies and heterogenous culture. Their leaders have never said anything racist behind closed doors, mainly because their culture is so accepting of other cultures. It is a melting pot.

Sarcasm

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Because their leaders went to the greatest school, got the greatest education, know words, and were the smartest, they were able to keep those bad thoughts to themselves and not give countries like China, Russia and others further ammunition in war against Trump, U.S. immigration policy, and U.S. Foreign Policy. I guess it makes it hard to ask a leader from a sh**hole country if you can use his country as a base from which to fight terrorism or the war on drugs?

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At least he's old and unhealthy so death can't be too far away

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Not soon enough though! Will celebrate in the streets when he dies or is impeached. He is truly a moron, idiot, racist, and etc.

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Fair enough, I don't agree with that statement either.

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WaPo: "President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

"Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?" Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

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Ugh! Just freakin out of control. Is there any wonder why China is kicking our ass in Africa? This type of leadership is counter productive and runs counter to improving U.S. position in strategically important locations throughout the word in places like Hati, Mexico, Africa, or South America.
Is the President racist? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

Apparently it's Obama's fault if you can't go top London without facing massive protest because you have insulted the mayor of the city that you are supposed to stay in? Maybe because you have insulted the British Prime Minister? Maybe it's because you divulged information that shouldn't have been divulged?

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China is doing tons of business in Africa and Afghanistan because of their lax immigration policies and heterogenous culture. Their leaders have never said anything racist behind closed doors, mainly because their culture is so accepting of other cultures. It is a melting pot.

Sarcasm

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Because their leaders went to the greatest school, got the greatest education, know words, and were the smartest, they were able to keep those bad thoughts to themselves and not give countries like China, Russia and others further ammunition in war against Trump, U.S. immigration policy, and U.S. Foreign Policy. I guess it makes it hard to ask a leader from a sh**hole country if you can use his country as a base from which to fight terrorism or the war on drugs?

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I absolutely agree. Durbin is a short-sighted idiot for leaking this. If Democrat leadership is encouraging this, this is bad. As you stated, they should 'not give countries like China, Russia and others further ammunition in war against Trump, U.S. immigration policy, and U.S. Foreign Policy.'

This is outrageous. Why is the liberal media trying to discredit Trump, one of the healthiest, smartest presidents of my and my grandfather's lifetime.

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There is no bottom.

WaPo: "President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

"Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?" Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

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Of all the things to dislike about the president, this isn't one of them.

This is what all of us are thinking but won't say. And it's a reasonable political position: why are we taking anybody from other countries except the creme de la creme. If you don't excel in something we need, no more soup for you.

Anybody here like paying for education, health care and welfare for for skill-less citizens who often refuse to assimilate?

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this fake president is disgusting
he eats ****
he doesn't exercise
he's not very smart
he's a racist
he cheats small businesses
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At least he's old and unhealthy so death can't be too far away

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A lot of "tolerance" here, and not a lot of evidence for such bombastic accusations

Our culture is so overrun by regressives that reflexively defend anything non-white and non-American even when they personify traits and values that they reject in other spaces.

Haiti and Niger are in FACT sh**holes, by many objective measures -- from economy to government to culture.

Haiti is the poorest 3rd world country in the world, 80% live in poverty, profoundly corrupt governments, next to zero education.

Niger is also insanely poor, have a an insanely high birth rate but cannot educate or feed them (sound familiar?), whose government and culture are so enlightened that they banned slavery...in 2003, though apparently it is still a huge human right issue there.

The hypocrisy and double standard is alarming. Mexico has an incredibly strict immigration policy. Many countries have merit-based immigration standards.

If you DON'T think these countries are sh**holes, America must be heaven, amiright????

Trump should roll with it and stop denying he said it. It's what got him elected. Boast in the comment. Say "yeah I said it, and I meant it, and if you got a problem with it you can hit the voting booth in 3 years."

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Lol he's not going anywhere. He's not dying soon, he certainly won't be impeached, unlike Hilary's husband (who everybody seems to love and adore for some reason). And he's not an idiot, or a racist, or a Nazi, or anything but a winner.

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Ah we have a acolyte of the cult of Win Forever in our own Cal family.

Trump isn't a racist? Please tell me more. He's also a bunch of other things besides winner including: liar, traitor, corrupt, misogynist, etc.

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[citation needed]

You'd think you'd actually have some policy arguments to make, like defending merit-less immigration policies or demonstrating why Haiti isn't one of the worst sh**hole places to live on planet earth, rather than devolving into virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is a clever tactic to sanctimoniously remind others of their own virtue rather than actually presenting an argument or defending a point of view or offering a better alternative. It is also a judgment masquerading as an argument. It is also aimed at discrediting every point of view of the person without actually engaging the idea and challenging it. It's easy to hurl -ist and -ism accusations, it's a strong rallying cry that gathers the herd in a some sort of cathartic affirmation ceremony.

He would not be the first president to embody those characteristics, and some of them have been lauded presidents.

I wonder how many of you will live through the next three years without slitting your wrists. Half the country appears to be in emotional and psychological meltdown mode, going into tizzies over truthful statements and sound policies that aim to uphold a lot of the values you guys claim to hold dear.

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Lol he's not going anywhere. He's not dying soon, he certainly won't be impeached, unlike Hilary's husband (who everybody seems to love and adore for some reason). And he's not an idiot, or a racist, or a Nazi, or anything but a winner.

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The world would be better off if you and people who thought like you had no voting rights

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It's always amusing when people who decry the lack of "progress" express their desire to turn back the clock to darker times in our history...because it suits their politics. It's like they're unaware that they are fascists.

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The whole American experiment is an escape from ****holes- dagos, mackerel snappers, greasers, yids, etc. All came here to escape poverty, repression or both, only to be vilified by those who got here first. By pluck and industry they moved up the ladder. Give me a ****hole refugee any time. They have what it takes. And no there is no dominant culture here. It is what we decide it is at any time

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The American experiment of rolling the dice and allowing boatloads of indigents are over -- the alternative is open borders, which as an absurd policy that even sh**hole countries reject. Even sh**hole countries don't want the indigents from elsewhere. Nobody with a sense of responsibility and community want to subsidize this experiment and subsidize its failures.

Vetting immigrants should be like a job application. We don't even see you until we decide you look like a good candidate on paper. What are your goals? What have you done thus far in life? What skills do you have? Can you speak English? Does it appear this candidate can and is willing to assimilate? Does this candidate offer the country something we need? Candidate wants to come over to get a public education? Only if they're brilliant and want to get a degree in a field that needs labor. You've got five years to get it done, or you're gone. Can't speak English and won't assimilate? See ya, not going to burden citizens with subsidizing your ESL. These are are all economic and cultural decisions in the name of America's interest and failure. We take the creme de la creme of other countries, not their unskilled and indigent.

Nobody questions that Japan should be dominantly Japanese. If 50 million western Europeans migrated to Japan, you'd think they'd be happy about it. You think Americans wouldn't empathize? Do you go to other countries and go "**** your culture, I'm going to do what I want and you're gonna subsidize it for me, I'm going to adhere to the cultural norms I grew up in and be damned with yours, I ain't assimilating to sh*t and you're gonna like it!"

NOBODY would like you, you'd be an a**hat. Do you go into other people's houses and reject their rules, their traditions? Do you demand entry into other people's homes as basic protocol? Do you maybe wait til you're established in somebody else's home before you decide to throw in your 2 cents about how things ought to be done, or demand they start subsidizing your life? Other countries don't allow it. America is multi-cultural, but a century ago immigrants accepted and valued the basic cultural ties that bind us.

There is no American culture other than the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The rest changes depends on who is here, and usually for the better. To become Japan is to become backwards and provincial -it has nothing to do with us.

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There is no American culture other than the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The rest changes depends on who is here, and usually for the better. To become Japan is to become backwards and provincial -it has nothing to do with us.

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there is a culture that was borne out of the DOI and the consitution, it was the ties that bind us. Now there is hostility towards the constitution in loyalty to a social, political, economic and racial agenda.

Your virtue signaling is replacing making an actual policy argument for immigration. If America needs to take all comers irregardless of merit or America's interests to uphold virtue that aligns with yours, defend it. Defend open borders. Make an argument, rather than virtue signaling. Why is open borders in America's interest, and how does it benefit America?

The idea that foreigners who have no skin in the game are permitted to not assimilate and actively demand 'change' to the culture that generational citizens have developed is post-modern cultural marxist garbage. It will create tension and hostility and identity conscious society and culture. Look at Europe.

The en vogue virtue signaling that approves of open borders and cultural relativism has an actual agenda behind it; it has a hatred for power structures and want them turned on their head, for if only the moral folks (i.e. "us") were in charge, utopia would arrive. This lack of self awareness is what is truly scary

What is stunning is that you don't have the self/awareness to realize you are making the same nativist claptrap argument that has plagued our history. First it was all the trashy Europeans that were going to ruin our culture; instead it enhanced it. Now that immigration has switched away from Europe to Asia, Africa and Central America they are the new agents of our destruction as if the Chinese, Nigerians, Vietnamese and Mexicans aren't anything but hard working Americans.

Europe's problems are not immigrants but their historic resistance to immigrants and their barbarism-resulting in the murder and exile all their diversity. A nation of immigrants like ours has no dominant culture nor a more virtuous one. We should be taking more Syrians and Africans not less

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The whole American experiment is an escape from ****holes- dagos, mackerel snappers, greasers, yids, etc. All came here to escape poverty, repression or both, only to be vilified by those who got here first. By pluck and industry they moved up the ladder. Give me a ****hole refugee any time. They have what it takes. And no there is no dominant culture here. It is what we decide it is at any time

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The American experiment of rolling the dice and allowing boatloads of indigents are over -- the alternative is open borders, which as an absurd policy that even sh**hole countries reject. Even sh**hole countries don't want the indigents from elsewhere. Nobody with a sense of responsibility and community want to subsidize this experiment and subsidize its failures.

Vetting immigrants should be like a job application. We don't even see you until we decide you look like a good candidate on paper. What are your goals? What have you done thus far in life? What skills do you have? Can you speak English? Does it appear this candidate can and is willing to assimilate? Does this candidate offer the country something we need? Candidate wants to come over to get a public education? Only if they're brilliant and want to get a degree in a field that needs labor. You've got five years to get it done, or you're gone. Can't speak English and won't assimilate? See ya, not going to burden citizens with subsidizing your ESL. These are are all economic and cultural decisions in the name of America's interest and failure. We take the creme de la creme of other countries, not their unskilled and indigent.

Nobody questions that Japan should be dominantly Japanese. If 50 million western Europeans migrated to Japan, you'd think they'd be happy about it. You think Americans wouldn't empathize? Do you go to other countries and go "**** your culture, I'm going to do what I want, the culture I grew up in, I ain't assimilating to sh*t! NOBODY would like you, you'd be an a**hat. Do you go into other people's houses and reject their rules, their traditions? It's disrespectful, other countries don't allow it. America is multi-cultural, but a century ago immigrants accepted and valued the basic cultural ties that bind us.

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The United States doesn't have an official language.

English isn't an/the official language here like it is in countries like the Philippines.

Donald Trump wouldn't be here if we had an English-only requirement, as his grandfather and grandmother came from Germany.

The United States would never have made it to Outer Space if it weren't for an immigrant.

The U.S. is experiencing a shortage of labor.

Heck, why do you think Trump hires immigrants.

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I see Stephen Miller acolytes now post on this board. Going on the sports board of a university that was the first large school with a minority majority enrollment and spewing nativist/nationalist ideology is incomprehensible, as is the whole ideology that is being presented.

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Do you and others understand there is nothing inherently nationalist (or racial) about a merit-based immigration policy? By all means, search the globe for qualified labor in a field that is in need and lacks a current sufficient labor force. Bring on those that align with America's interest (skills that contribute to marketplace that are a net gain).

Instead of virtue signaling by rejecting positions that I and others don't hold, what is a reasonable immigration policy, and we can extrapolate from that just what will result from such policies.

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What is stunning is that you don't have the self/awareness to realize you are making the same nativist claptrap argument that has plagued our history. First it was all the trashy Europeans that were going to ruin our culture; instead it enhanced it. Now that immigration has switched away from Europe to Asia, Africa and Central America they are the new agents of our destruction as if the Chinese, Nigerians, Vietnamese and Mexicans aren't anything but hard working Americans.

Europe's problems are not immigrants but their historic resistance to immigrants and their barbarism-resulting in the murder and exile all their diversity. A nation of immigrants like ours has no dominant culture nor a more virtuous one. We should be taking more Syrians and Africans not less

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nowhere in this post did you articulate in argument as to why it is in the country's beset interest to, as a matter of principle, increase "diversity" of skin color, which is arbitrary and has no inherent value, moral or otherwise, in and of itself, and to be taking on more "Syrians and Africans" for no particular reason whatsoever.

You can call it elitist, though I prefer practical and self-interested, but you can't call it nativist or nationalistic. There is nothing requiring strict merit-based immigration policies that require immigrants demonstrate they can provide value in return for citizenship or work visas to have anything to do with race or a resistance to foreigners. Ideally we could swap the 'native' drains on society with foreigners who would add value. But we are stuck with the native trash, I don't want to subsidize adding to the pile if we can help it.

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I see Stephen Miller acolytes now post on this board. Going on the sports board of a university that was the first large school with a minority majority enrollment and spewing nativist/nationalist ideology is incomprehensible, as is the whole ideology that is being presented.

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Do you and others understand there is nothing inherently nationalist (or racial) about a merit-based immigration policy? By all means, search the globe for qualified labor in a field that is in need and lacks a current sufficient labor force. Bring on those that align with America's interest (skills that contribute to marketplace that are a net gain).

Instead of virtue signaling by rejecting positions that I and others don't hold, what is a reasonable immigration policy, and we can extrapolate from that just what will result from such policies.

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How many on this board would be here if there had been a merit based immigration policy when your forbears arrived? Raise your hands. I wouldn't. I suspect that iwantwinners wouldn't either.

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Lots of Deplorable Signaling in this thread.

The immigration policy discussion is fascinating to me. Do people in flyover sh*thole states really want educated people from Norway coming here? Let's not pretend like republicans want to increase legal immigration of "the best" people - since we have already seen a war on H1-B.

The reality is that loser whites in this country made a bargain with Trump and the republicans and the upshot is that they get to feel superior to minorities in exchange for further erosion of their already shaky financial positions and future. They are largely okay with that.

At some point republicans will figure out that we need to import workers to keep our economy going when the boomers are all retired and finish milking our country dry. Hopefully it won't be too late.

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Where do you get the idea that 'whites' are operating on behalf of an agenda to "feeling racially superior" to minorities? I suspect that's what you perceive because it aligns with your binary world view that divides the world into two opposed groups: white/non-white, male/female, oppressed/oppressor, rich/poor. All are monoliths, all act the same and share the same politics, there is no spectrum. This is the mantra of identity politics.

There is a double standard in the rules of conversation as to how we talk about 'Anglos' and non-caucasions. You just referred to 'whites' that voted for president are losers, you cannot insert another race in that sentence without a fatwa being issued in your name. This double standard conflates every assertion that doesn't align with their political narratives and identity based politics with an -ism or an -ist.

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I see Stephen Miller acolytes now post on this board. Going on the sports board of a university that was the first large school with a minority majority enrollment and spewing nativist/nationalist ideology is incomprehensible, as is the whole ideology that is being presented.

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Do you and others understand there is nothing inherently nationalist (or racial) about a merit-based immigration policy? By all means, search the globe for qualified labor in a field that is in need and lacks a current sufficient labor force. Bring on those that align with America's interest (skills that contribute to marketplace that are a net gain).

Instead of virtue signaling by rejecting positions that I and others don't hold, what is a reasonable immigration policy, and we can extrapolate from that just what will result from such policies.

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How many on this board would be here if there had been a merit based immigration policy when your forbears arrived? Raise your hands. I wouldn't. I suspect that iwantwinners wouldn't either.

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Is it really your argument that we should have open borders -- no requirements, just sign the guestbook -- because anybody and their mother got in a century ago? Your post is a call and appeal to emotion: "You and I wouldn't be here if..."

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Sounds eerily similar to the slave owners, KKK, and Hitler! What's your problem buddy?

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My tolerance for stupidity is low.

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So is the KKKs and Hitler's! At least that's what they would tell you, and that's what they would use to to take away your human and civil rights.

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Where do you get the idea that 'whites' are operating on behalf of an agenda to "feeling racially superior" to minorities?

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Look up W.E.B. Du Bois. Lots of references to his work these days.

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To start, massive tax cuts, created tons of jobs, economy is soaring, illegal immigration is down, destroying ISIS, Jerusalem is recognized as Israel's capital. Also, Trump has not lied. He has been doing exactly what he promised during his campaign. Most politicians promise tons of things while campaigning and quickly go back on their word.

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(1) "massive tax cuts" -- This "accomplishment" is a crime against the nation.

(2) "economy is soaring" -- The continuing economic recovery in 2017 is to Obama's credit. Trump changed nothing in the structure of Obama's economic policies until December. The economy is also not "soaring", only the securities markets. It's not surprising that a conservative equates these, of course.

(3) "illegal immigration is down" -- This is a false accomplishment. It wasn't a problem to begin with.

(4) "destroying ISIS" -- This is not Trump's accomplishment. It's like saying Truman won WWII.

(5) "Jerusalem is recognized as Israel's capital" -- Another criminal deed.

Your list of Trump's "accomplishments" boils down to three items he deserves little or no credit for and two items that are awful things.

Also, Trump has lied hundreds of times. I don't know what you think there is to gain from making a claim that can be disproved so easily:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

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This post illuminates a lot about the modern Left, even though you said nothing at all other than make statements of opinion guised as facts without actually supporting it.

Tax cuts putting money into the poor and middle class' hands is a "crime against the nation". OK. Keep giving away more of your stuff to an invisible entity.

Trump indeed has nothing to do with the economy. The tax plan was the first thing he did to help put more money into Americans' pockets

Illegal immigration is "flat", at 11.1 million in 2017. Roughly 8 million of them work, while roughly only 3.4 million of them paid taxes. Studies report illegal immigrants receive anywhere from $12-$85 billion a year in federal, state and local benefits. Obama saw illegal immigration as a problem, deporting more illegal immigrants through immigration orders than any other president in history. He should be lauded for this, but the modern Left is either silent on this or critical of him, or they don't care. Funnily enough they care now. But yeah, immigration policy is a non-issue.

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I think it is in our interest to take dispossessed people who have the skills and will to make this a better place. We have a track record here.Nowadays such people tend to be from those places. I don't think people should be admitted from those places based on color. I think they should be admitted because many are refugees from horrific wars and hardships.

It's you who are the chief practitioner of virtue signaling here. Your virtue is some mythical past where immigrants weren't "native trash" or didn't "have hostility to the Constitution" This is nonsense. Current immigrants are as part of this experiment as their predecessors. Your virtuous past is when Chinese were excluded from being citizens, when Japanese were interned or African Americans couldn't fight along whites.

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It is the virtue signalers who want to turn back the clock to a time where race mattered.

You say two things: that we should wear a cape for all of the refugees in distressed countries as moral imperative (that's your opinion that we can simply disagree on) while also saying those who have the 'skills' to 'make this a better place.' I'm guessing 'better place' means more 'diversity" of immutable characteristics rather than skill sets and intellectual thought, but I'll let you answer.

Again, there is no inherent racial component to a merit based immigration policy -- by definition, it is quite the opposite. Your position does have a racial and ethnic component. "These people should be here because they fit within this particular race/ethnic group, this regions or country..."

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How are tax cuts criminal? Not only is it giving people money, but it also creates jobs.

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Your tax cut is a gigantic giveaway for the 1%. That's who's going to reap almost all of the benefit from your tax cut. It's one more big step toward oligarchy. At the same time, it is going to explode deficits and defund services. It will have almost none of the positive effects on the economy that its proponents fraudulently claim it will have and will carry almost all of the drawbacks its proponents deny will come with it. You don't have to take my word for it, survey the opinions of economists.

It's hard for me to tell whether your understanding of the tax cuts as something that "gives people money and creates jobs" is merely disingenuous or a testament to the efficacy of conservative propaganda.

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Obama's economy never soared. Everyone said Trump would never make the economy better, and once he did, everyone quickly said it was because of Obama. It took Obama's entire 8 years of nothing and then it magically got better once he was out of office?

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Given that Trump made no significant changes to federal economic policy in 2017, how do you give him the credit for economy's performance? He inherited a growing economy from Obama and changed nothing. He deserves credit for nothing except making no changes to the sound policy of his predecessor.

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He is crushing ISIS because he is allowing the military to do its job. I have talked to many people I know in the military including my cousin and they have all told me that they were crippled until Trump let them do their thing.

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"Your cousin" is certainly an authority deserving of deference in this discussion. /sarcasm

ISIS had been getting crushed since 2015. They lost almost half of their territory in 2015 and 2016. Trump was Johnny on the spot.

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How is Jerusalem being recognized as the capital a crime?

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It's a legitimization of a territorial annexation made through conquest. It's also a de facto rejection of the two-state solution and a violation of the Arab population of Palestine's right to self-determination. Not to mention, it's been done unilaterally and in opposition both to decades of precedent set by US policy (that East Jerusalem is not legitimately Israeli territory) and to stated policy of most countries of the world.

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Give away? They're not giving anything away, they're simply not TAKING as much from the 1%. Indeed they are the biggest winners of the tax deal, can we acknowledge that, in spite of the deficit and debt (which of course all of a sudden Dems care about and Rep don't, when the last 8 years it was the opposite), it puts more spending power into the hands of poor and middle class? Can you acknowledge the half the country doesn't pay ANY taxes (mostly the poor and the rich), and that the effective tax rates of millions of poor households is negative (some rich too, which is a travesty).

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How are tax cuts criminal? Not only is it giving people money, but it also creates jobs.

Obama's economy never soared. Everyone said Trump would never make the economy better, and once he did, everyone quickly said it was because of Obama. It took Obama's entire 8 years of nothing and then it magically got better once he was out of office?

He is crushing ISIS because he is allowing the military to do its job. I have talked to many people I know in the military including my cousin and they have all told me that they were crippled until Trump let them do their thing.

How is Jerusalem being recognized as the capital a crime?

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Also, what happened to your claim that Trump doesn't lie?

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Is this really what you are going to hang your hat on towards this guy? That a politician lies? Hate on his policies.

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Bush already started two wars-one under false pretenses. Wars, torture, Guantanamo, Isis, millions of refugees, Patriot Act. We're still living with his wreckage. He and Cheney should be in jail. tweeting about ****holes doesn't compare

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The Obama administration and DOJ sustained all of those policies -- engaging in wars, keeping Guantanamo open, sustaining many elements of the Patriot Act. Obama has been sued over habeus corpus, and the liberal The Guardian called Obama the worst civil liberties president in US history.

Can we stop being cheerleaders for glorified party leaders and engage policy

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Durbin is funny. This reminds me of the movie PCU. Is this real moral outrage?

Besides leaking Trumps racist s-hole comment, this is what he said:

That was the nature of this conversation. When it came to the issue of, quote, "chain migration," I said to the president, do you realize how painful that term is to so many people? African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

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Do you know what "racism" means? Can we stop *******izing that word, you delegitimize its real presence.