puget sound cal fan said:
Very discouraging to hear.
I hear you man - SF is like cal sports in that way. There is absolutely no reason that SF should not be unquestionable the best city in America but some wacky stuff keeps us down.
puget sound cal fan said:
Very discouraging to hear.
rkt88edmo said:
It stinks for watching pro-am ball, but frankly I'd rather Paris take as many of those reps driving to the hole as possible.
Every rep counts.
I was watching the video int he OP and kept thinking, this looks more like a spiderfly highlight.
GMP said:C'mon. One anecdotal story is not evidence of anything. And it's certainly not evidence of SF being worse than other cities, when those other cities have the same issues. Find me a major American city without violent crime, homelessness, etc. You're also complaining about lack of police presence in the safest neighborhoods. Walk around the Tenderloin and tell me if you see police. You will.fat_slice said:GMP said:NVBear78 said:concordtom said:
Dear Hell and SFC,
I'd love to hear you guys compare and contrast supporting or disagreeing commentary on that thesis.
Things have been going south in SF ever since the late 1960's. SF today is one of the great disgraces in the US.
Why say that?
Have you been to SF recently Tom? How did you like it? What was it like in cleanliness, people on the street and overall atmosphere compared to ten years ago or twenty years ago? Do your daughters feel safe there? Do you think they are safe there compared to the past?
Have you? I live here. I have young kids. I take them almost anywhere in this city. It's perfectly safe. As with anywhere, there are areas to avoid. Yes, homelessness is a problem, but the large majority mean no harm and present no threat. Among major cities, SF's violent crime rate is relatively low.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
I have been an SF resident for 6 years now leaving in the North Beach / Fisherman's Wharf area and can absolutely attest to this city getting a whole lot worse. I can go a week without ever seeing a cop and when I do they are often old or just goofing around with each other. There is human feces all over the place and noticeably more mentally deranged people walking about. People always told me that while they look scary and are aggressive, they won't hurt you. Well one looney stabbed a couple near a playground near me. So while 99% of them don't harm you it doesn't matter because you need to be vigilant loolingout for that 1%.
I love the city but it's clear it's being run by either lazy or corrupt politicians.
Violent crime is one indicator of how bad a city is but to bring this back to sports ... SF does not meet the eye-test should be left out of the tournament for best American city.
It's certainly not perfect. But it's better than many cities, worse than others. It is certainly not a "great disgrace", as was claimed to begin this discussion.
helltopay1 said:
Dear GMP: what you essentially said was that SF cannot be singled out because most other US cities are just as bad. do you really want to hang your hat on that argument??I was born and raised in SF. I was there. Trust me. Ask 10,000 people who were born and raised in SF and 999 will sadly admit to being horrified by the universal collapse of culture, collapse of affordable housing, collapse of educational standards, as well as a unrelenting hostility toward business . it is no accident that residents of the City and the State are fleeing in droves.
Not sure about Ducky, but I wasn't. However, whether one was or wasn't isn't terribly germane to the conversation. Personally, I figure you hold a romanticized vision of the city that did not ever exist. Perhaps I'm wrong and you're right. That doesn't make the city a "disgrace". As ducky said, there is good and bad in every city, and you weigh those things and choose where you want to live. As I said, SF has plenty of problems that must be fixed. But I like living here, and as I said I feel very safe, and the crime numbers back that up. Someone else mentioned moving to a Reno suburb and how happy they are. That's their choice. But I've been to Reno and its suburbs. You couldn't pay me to live in either. It does not present to me the things I am looking for in life. Others feel the same way about SF, which is fine.helltopay1 said:
Dear Ducky: you were obviously not born and raised in SF.
helltopay1 said:
Dear Ducky: you were obviously not born and raised in SF.
helltopay1 said:
Personal judgement????In my day, there were no gangs, no homeless, no rampant drug use, no filthy streets, no spiraling home-price escalation, no hostility to businesses, so few illegals you could count them on one hand; you could walk around your neighborhood at midnight without fear of being accosted. public and private school education was top-notch . Religion was respected. Churches were full or nearly full every Sunday. nobody worried about free speech. people respected differences of opinion without shouting at them that they were racists, homophobes, sexists, etc. Teachers were respected and had the full backing of principals and school boards. Nobody sued the teacher because the teacher demanded respect, obedience and intellectual vigor. Bad apples were sent home and were not allowed back in the class unless the parents ( yes-----kids usually had two parents in this days) pleaded with the principal to give the wayward student one more chance. Fighting in class was automatic grounds for dismissal. yelling or fighting with the teacher was automatic grounds for dismissal. grade inflation had not yet been invented. Nobody automatically got a trophy just for showing up. trophies had to be earned. Baseball games were not terminated in the 5th inning because one team was at least 10 runs behind. In CYO basketball, no child was required to play at least one quarter. Playing was a privilege and you played because you deserved to play. parents were not allowed to browbeat coaches into giving their kid more vplaying time. Parents did even dream of doing this. Marriage was considered normal. Today, marriage is simply considered one more optional life-style choice. I have just begun to scratch the surface. Personal judgement?????Sad reality.
You sing the right-wing song well.helltopay1 said:
Personal judgement????In my day, there were no gangs, no homeless, no rampant drug use, no filthy streets, no spiraling home-price escalation, no hostility to businesses, so few illegals you could count them on one hand; you could walk around your neighborhood at midnight without fear of being accosted. public and private school education was top-notch . Religion was respected. Churches were full or nearly full every Sunday. nobody worried about free speech. people respected differences of opinion without shouting at them that they were racists, homophobes, sexists, etc. Teachers were respected and had the full backing of principals and school boards. Nobody sued the teacher because the teacher demanded respect, obedience and intellectual vigor. Bad apples were sent home and were not allowed back in the class unless the parents ( yes-----kids usually had two parents in this days) pleaded with the principal to give the wayward student one more chance. Fighting in class was automatic grounds for dismissal. yelling or fighting with the teacher was automatic grounds for dismissal. grade inflation had not yet been invented. Nobody automatically got a trophy just for showing up. trophies had to be earned. Baseball games were not terminated in the 5th inning because one team was at least 10 runs behind. In CYO basketball, no child was required to play at least one quarter. Playing was a privilege and you played because you deserved to play. parents were not allowed to browbeat coaches into giving their kid more vplaying time. Parents did even dream of doing this. Marriage was considered normal. Today, marriage is simply considered one more optional life-style choice. I have just begun to scratch the surface. Personal judgement?????Sad reality.
This is why people shouldn't text while driving!!helltopay1 said:
Personal judgement????In my day, there were no gangs, no homeless, no rampant drug use, no filthy streets, no spiraling home-price escalation, no hostility to businesses, so few illegals you could count them on one hand; you could walk around your neighborhood at midnight without fear of being accosted. public and private school education was top-notch . Religion was respected. Churches were full or nearly full every Sunday. nobody worried about free speech. people respected differences of opinion without shouting at them that they were racists, homophobes, sexists, etc. Teachers were respected and had the full backing of principals and school boards. Nobody sued the teacher because the teacher demanded respect, obedience and intellectual vigor. Bad apples were sent home and were not allowed back in the class unless the parents ( yes-----kids usually had two parents in this days) pleaded with the principal to give the wayward student one more chance. Fighting in class was automatic grounds for dismissal. yelling or fighting with the teacher was automatic grounds for dismissal. grade inflation had not yet been invented. Nobody automatically got a trophy just for showing up. trophies had to be earned. Baseball games were not terminated in the 5th inning because one team was at least 10 runs behind. In CYO basketball, no child was required to play at least one quarter. Playing was a privilege and you played because you deserved to play. parents were not allowed to browbeat coaches into giving their kid more vplaying time. Parents did even dream of doing this. Marriage was considered normal. Today, marriage is simply considered one more optional life-style choice. I have just begun to scratch the surface. Personal judgement?????Sad reality.
Only if you're afraid of brown-skinned peopleoskidunker said:
But everything Hell says is true?
Terrific straw men.helltopay1 said:
Dear yogi: Let me see if I got this right:
Not in church on Sunday.helltopay1 said:
dear Yogi: Your genius and generosity of spirit leaves me speechless. where do we find people like you??
Do tell about the issues facing the nation in the 2017 election.helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: for the record, I did not vote last year.
I know. It's what gets you dummies into trouble. Party over everything else.Quote:
when you are a republican as I am ( still allowed under our constitution) you focus on the party and not the man.
Honestly, most of you are too stupid to know whether he has or not.Quote:
In 2020, if most republicans are convinced that Trump has kept the faith by enacting principles dear to the hearts of republicans, he will probably be re-elected.
If that mattered, Trump wouldn't be president now.Quote:Quote:
there are more Democrats than republicans.
Voters are very very stooooopid. Like you. You think Trump stands for your values when he doesn't.Quote:
contrary to mainstream 'talking points," most voters are not stupid.
Well thank goodness you voted against corruption. Great job. You sure showed us.Quote:
last time around, many Americans simply said, " I'm going to go with the devil I don't know rather than go with the devil I do know. i'm going to roll the dice and give a gig middle finger to the corrupt establishment
helltopay1 said:
Dear GMP: what you essentially said was that SF cannot be singled out because most other US cities are just as bad. do you really want to hang your hat on that argument??I was born and raised in SF. I was there. Trust me. Ask 10,000 people who were born and raised in SF and 999 will sadly admit to being horrified by the universal collapse of culture, collapse of affordable housing, collapse of educational standards, as well as a unrelenting hostility toward business . it is no accident that residents of the City and the State are fleeing in droves.
helltopay1 said:
Dear Yogi: for the record, I did not vote last year. when you are a republican as I am ( still allowed under our constitution) you focus on the party and not the man. you judge the man ( or woman) on wether or not he or she has carried out policies dear to the hearts of the party. Character, is , of course, important, but when you realize that all men have feet of clay, in thge end, you focus on to what extant the the person in power has faithfully been a steward of the philosophical principles inherent in the party. This is why, to this day, Reagan remains a deity in the republican party. he remains a deity because , for the most part, he faithfully carried out policies and programs dear to the hearts of republicans. it is also true, that, for the most part, both Bushes have a decidedly mixed record with the faithful because, on many occasions they strayed from orthodoxy by either not pursuing republican principles or by actively pursuing policies and practices which were and are dear to the hearts of the Democratic party. In 2020, if most republicans are convinced that Trump has kept the faith by enacting principles dear to the hearts of republicans, he will probably be re-elected. If many republicans feel that he has strayed from his promises , then, he will probably be defeated by any Democrat because there are more Democrats than republicans. events, of course, are in the saddle, and, interpretations of those events will carry the day. contrary to mainstream 'talking points," most voters are not stupid. They weigh thousands of thoughts and emotions before entering the voting booth , and, in many cases, simply choose 'the lesser of two evils." last time around, many Americans simply said, " I'm going to go with the devil I don't know rather than go with the devil I do know. i'm going to roll the dice and give a gig middle finger to the corrupt establishment.....if things don't work out, we can always go back to known devils the next time around." Not really rocket science if you follow culture and politics.
Exactly.bearister said:
The bashing of SF is absolutey part of the Fox News narrative. My Right Wing golfing buddies are always talking about it and they also pepper their diatribes with lots of "disgrace" "disgraceful," and "disaster" which just happen to be words that make up 60% of our Mad King's vocabulary. The Evangelicals are all over it too. Sanctuary City, gay Mecca, Black female mayor, all components that sets their pants on fire. And these are the reflections of an Oakland boy with a lifelong F SF attitude, especially the sports fans, most of whom are front runners with no historical connection to the City.
helltopay1 said:
Character, is , of course, important, but when you realize that all men have feet of clay, in thge end, you focus on to what extant the the person in power has faithfully been a steward of the philosophical principles inherent in the party
Quote:
contrary to mainstream 'talking points," most voters are not stupid. They weigh thousands of thoughts and emotions before entering the voting booth
Quote:
last time around, many Americans simply said, " I'm going to go with the devil I don't know rather than go with the devil I do know. i'm going to roll the dice and give a gig middle finger to the corrupt establishment
Yogi Bear said:Only if you're afraid of brown-skinned peopleoskidunker said:
But everything Hell says is true?
You've got to be kidding. Hell's rant had dog's howling all cross the Bay Area.NVBear78 said:Yogi Bear said:Only if you're afraid of brown-skinned peopleoskidunker said:
But everything Hell says is true?
Woo hoo, the race card! What took you so long. And you talk about straw men....