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Big C
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Goldener Bar said:

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movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?

Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
Goldener Bar
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Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.
Big C
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Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.

The far left of the Democratic Party is unlikely to ever get anything done, but they could easily prevent moderate measures from passing out of spite, in this 50/50 Congress. Biden has helped to get them in line.

All the legislation he has helped to get passed is decent (like "Infrastructure").

Vis-a-vis the War in Ukraine, he has helped support the right side, while avoiding much risk of the war spreading outside Ukraine-Russia. Most people feel he has handled this well. What would you have him do?

His low poll numbers reflect a) the divisions in the country... b) general cynicism ... c) his lack of charisma.

Eastern Oregon Bear
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Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.
Well, if you're going with that analysis, Trump's approval rating wouldn't have been in the tank for four years if he'd been doing such a good job. Yet several of you are eager for 4 more years of Trump.

Standing by for the Swamp-FBI-DOJ-Left Wing Media-Democrat Obstruction-excuse1 through excuse 143 word salads.
Goldener Bar
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Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.

The far left of the Democratic Party is unlikely to ever get anything done, but they could easily prevent moderate measures from passing out of spite, in this 50/50 Congress. Biden has helped to get them in line.

All the legislation he has helped to get passed is decent (like "Infrastructure").

Vis-a-vis the War in Ukraine, he has helped support the right side, while avoiding much risk of the war spreading outside Ukraine-Russia. Most people feel he has handled this well. What would you have him do?

His low poll numbers reflect a) the divisions in the country... b) general cynicism ... c) his lack of charisma.
You think Biden has done something to get members of Congress to fall in line? How? Where are your examples? When is the last time any person in the Democratic Party tried to rebel against the party line? I can tell you with absolute certainty that it long predates Biden being in office.

Where's all the new infrastructure? Have you seen any. I sure haven't.

I would have him stop sending money and weapons to Ukraine and broker peace, but he wants regime change in Russia. That's his top priority as President.

His low poll numbers reflect the fact that people are doing far worse in 2023 than they were in 2020. When people are struggling to make ends meet, the President pays the price in the polls.
Goldener Bar
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.
Well, if you're going with that analysis, Trump's approval rating wouldn't have been in the tank for four years if he'd been doing such a good job. Yet several of you are eager for 4 more years of Trump.
I'm sorry, you must have me confused with someone who accepts straw man attacks from dumb East Oregonians. In order for your argument to have any validity, you would have to point to a post that I've made saying that I want Trump to be President.

I know it's hard for people in your black and white world to understand nuance, but try operating your brain once in a while to at least make it interesting.
Big C
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Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.

The far left of the Democratic Party is unlikely to ever get anything done, but they could easily prevent moderate measures from passing out of spite, in this 50/50 Congress. Biden has helped to get them in line.

All the legislation he has helped to get passed is decent (like "Infrastructure").

Vis-a-vis the War in Ukraine, he has helped support the right side, while avoiding much risk of the war spreading outside Ukraine-Russia. Most people feel he has handled this well. What would you have him do?

His low poll numbers reflect a) the divisions in the country... b) general cynicism ... c) his lack of charisma.
You think Biden has done something to get members of Congress to fall in line? How? Where are your examples? When is the last time any person in the Democratic Party tried to rebel against the party line? I can tell you with absolute certainty that it long predates Biden being in office.

Where's all the new infrastructure? Have you seen any. I sure haven't.

I would have him stop sending money and weapons to Ukraine and broker peace, but he wants regime change in Russia. That's his top priority as President.

His low poll numbers reflect the fact that people are doing far worse in 2023 than they were in 2020. When people are struggling to make ends meet, the President pays the price in the polls.

We will have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying he's a miracle worker, just a decent President. When was the last time we had a miracle worker?

Trump? no
Obama? good, but no
Bush 43? no
Clinton? good (IMO), but no
Bush 41? decent, but no
Reagan? no, unless you love Reagan
Carter? no

How far do we have to go back? FDR? Lincoln?
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Big C said:

His low poll numbers reflect a) the divisions in the country... b) general cynicism ... c) his lack of charisma.
IMO another big part of this is people on the left who think he's not left-wing enough, or too old, or whatever. They might not approve, but there's no way in hell they're voting Republican.
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Big C said:

How far do we have to go back? FDR? Lincoln?
Even FDR was not really a miracle worker. He got elected with huge majorities in Congress. Any President can pass legislation with that. None of our recent presidents have had majorities that large.
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Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?

Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
Taking a $10million bribe from ukrainian oil company Burisma (with son Hunter serving on its board and under investigation) to threaten $1billion loan guarantee withholding against Ukraine unless they fire their prosecutor investigating said company, screams moderate sensible guy!!!

This was a pattern btw, of Joe being involved in his son's businesses while being Vice President. Flying Hunter around...involved in CEFC(Chinese energy company) meetings at the white house and his private residence! With documented meetings at the white house with CEFC execs and Hunter and his business partner Devon Archer.

Btw, this is like 7 years ago now. Do I think Joe is getting senile now...yeah..I do. I think the white house is being run by his cabinet. Still doesn't mean what the Biden White House is doing to Trump isn't corrupt af. They are clearly scripting Joe Biden's public outings with the names of Reporters for him to call on and the question and answers he's suppose to reply with.
movielover
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Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?


Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.


Solid foreign policy = proxy war with Russia; NATO decimated and gutted.

Record inflation, including food, - disastrous green policies and $4 Trillion+ unneeded spending. Trillions in new debt.

Fentanyl deaths continue to skyrocket along with over 5 million new illegal immigrants.

Thirty percent of America will follow a radical no matter what, though it is a bit fuzzy given widespread election fraud and MSM parroting.
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BearHunter
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Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?
Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
The far left wing of the Democratic Party? When's the last time the Democratic Party did anything that could be considered a giant leftish overreach?

What is this decent legislation and solid foreign policy you're talking about? We're sending all of our money abroad to fight a hopeless battle in the hopes that someone in Russia will overthrow Putin. If the guy was doing such a good job, his approval rating wouldn't be in the tank.

The far left of the Democratic Party is unlikely to ever get anything done, but they could easily prevent moderate measures from passing out of spite, in this 50/50 Congress. Biden has helped to get them in line.

All the legislation he has helped to get passed is decent (like "Infrastructure").

Vis-a-vis the War in Ukraine, he has helped support the right side, while avoiding much risk of the war spreading outside Ukraine-Russia. Most people feel he has handled this well. What would you have him do?

His low poll numbers reflect a) the divisions in the country... b) general cynicism ... c) his lack of charisma.
You think Biden has done something to get members of Congress to fall in line? How? Where are your examples? When is the last time any person in the Democratic Party tried to rebel against the party line? I can tell you with absolute certainty that it long predates Biden being in office.

Where's all the new infrastructure? Have you seen any. I sure haven't.

I would have him stop sending money and weapons to Ukraine and broker peace, but he wants regime change in Russia. That's his top priority as President.

His low poll numbers reflect the fact that people are doing far worse in 2023 than they were in 2020. When people are struggling to make ends meet, the President pays the price in the polls.

We will have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying he's a miracle worker, just a decent President. When was the last time we had a miracle worker?
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Pretty much.

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Will the Progressives release the calls to insert Gavin Newsom for 2024?

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movielover said:

Will the Progressives release the calls to insert Gavin Newsom for 2024?

They'll need a backup plan, won't they? Kamala Harris not in the cards? They don't even want a debate with RFK Jr?
Goldener Bar
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MinotStateBeav said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?

Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
Taking a $10million bribe from ukrainian oil company Burisma (with son Hunter serving on its board and under investigation) to threaten $1billion loan guarantee withholding against Ukraine unless they fire their prosecutor investigating said company, screams moderate sensible guy!!!

This was a pattern btw, of Joe being involved in his son's businesses while being Vice President. Flying Hunter around...involved in CEFC(Chinese energy company) meetings at the white house and his private residence! With documented meetings at the white house with CEFC execs and Hunter and his business partner Devon Archer.

Btw, this is like 7 years ago now. Do I think Joe is getting senile now...yeah..I do. I think the white house is being run by his cabinet. Still doesn't mean what the Biden White House is doing to Trump isn't corrupt af. They are clearly scripting Joe Biden's public outings with the names of Reporters for him to call on and the question and answers he's suppose to reply with.
One thing that's become abundantly clear to me in the last 7 years is how inconsequential the President actually is and it has nothing to do with the composition of Congress and the Senate or any of the things that people who still believe in the good vs evil model of government say. It's that all of the unelected people surrounding the President make sure that no matter what his actual beliefs are, things always stay on the same track. For all of the bluster of the Democrats who kept predicting an apocalypse while Trump was in office, it was a pretty mundane four years of business as usual other than all the chaos caused by the people who desperately wanted him out of office. "Biden" still enforces a lot of the same policy that "Trump" did, but because it's not Trump as the national spokesmodel anymore, nobody cares much about that. The one big thing that's different is the war in Ukraine.
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This is not revenge, this is justice.
movielover
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BearHunter said:

movielover said:

Will the Progressives release the calls to insert Gavin Newsom for 2024?

They'll need a backup plan, won't they? Kamala Harris not in the cards? They don't even want a debate with RFK Jr?


I just read, after putting her in hiding, they'll come out with a multi million $$$ makeover for her image.
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Goldener Bar said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?

Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.
Taking a $10million bribe from ukrainian oil company Burisma (with son Hunter serving on its board and under investigation) to threaten $1billion loan guarantee withholding against Ukraine unless they fire their prosecutor investigating said company, screams moderate sensible guy!!!

This was a pattern btw, of Joe being involved in his son's businesses while being Vice President. Flying Hunter around...involved in CEFC(Chinese energy company) meetings at the white house and his private residence! With documented meetings at the white house with CEFC execs and Hunter and his business partner Devon Archer.

Btw, this is like 7 years ago now. Do I think Joe is getting senile now...yeah..I do. I think the white house is being run by his cabinet. Still doesn't mean what the Biden White House is doing to Trump isn't corrupt af. They are clearly scripting Joe Biden's public outings with the names of Reporters for him to call on and the question and answers he's suppose to reply with.
One thing that's become abundantly clear to me in the last 7 years is how inconsequential the President actually is and it has nothing to do with the composition of Congress and the Senate or any of the things that people who still believe in the good vs evil model of government say. It's that all of the unelected people surrounding the President make sure that no matter what his actual beliefs are, things always stay on the same track. For all of the bluster of the Democrats who kept predicting an apocalypse while Trump was in office, it was a pretty mundane four years of business as usual other than all the chaos caused by the people who desperately wanted him out of office. "Biden" still enforces a lot of the same policy that "Trump" did, but because it's not Trump as the national spokesmodel anymore, nobody cares much about that. The one big thing that's different is the war in Ukraine.


Yes, the Administrative State rules, and that's anchored by civil service laws and the SES. Just like Rome?

President Trump did close the border, build 500 miles of border walls, ink USMCA, 5 Mideast peace deals, and Cancel the Paris Accord. But I'm sure he got additional blowback when he directed multiple departments to try to cut back by 10%. UniParty DC has the opposite thinking.

Look at BART. Ridership down what, 70%, 80%, no service or employee cuts. Spending actually up.
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BearHunter said:



This is not revenge, this is justice.

From a woman that has lied about her past as much as GEORGE SANTOS.

Claiming that she's Jewish.... claiming that her Dad was in and out of incarceration wile she was growing up, and claimed that she grew up poor and isolated by family, fabricated a story about a home invasion during her time in the Air Force, etc.

Another genius like Santos and MJT.



movielover
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DiabloWags said:

BearHunter said:



This is not revenge, this is justice.

From a woman that has lied about her past as much as GEORGE SANTOS.

Claiming that she's Jewish.... claiming that her Dad was in and out of incarceration wile she was growing up, and claimed that she grew up poor and isolated by family, fabricated a story about a home invasion during her time in the Air Force, etc.

Another genius like Santos and MJT.




Maybe she feels Jewish.
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movielover said:


Maybe she feels Jewish.
Today Joe Biden's pronouns are Quid / Pro.
Big C
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movielover said:

Big C said:

Goldener Bar said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Biden modestly strong with one group... Liberal Athiests. Another reason they had to indict him.





Biden might not be the "popular" President (pretty hard with today's divisions), but he is the decent, competent President.
What's decent or competent about him?


Steers us on a moderate path, keeping the far-left wing of the Democratic Party from getting out of hand. Uses his experience to help get decent legislation passed. Solid foreign policy. He's done a good job.

Most of the stuff about him being senile is way overblown; he has always been like that.


Solid foreign policy = proxy war with Russia; NATO decimated and gutted.

Record inflation, including food, - disastrous green policies and $4 Trillion+ unneeded spending. Trillions in new debt.

Fentanyl deaths continue to skyrocket along with over 5 million new illegal immigrants.

Thirty percent of America will follow a radical no matter what, though it is a bit fuzzy given widespread election fraud and MSM parroting.

My argument was so compelling, I was surprised that you and poster BearHunter didn't come over to my side, reasonable, level-headed folks that you are. I mean, hard to believe, but some right-wingers just endlessly recite the talking points they've been given, but not you!

Gosh, maybe my positions are the ones that are wrong. Joe Biden = fentanyl deaths, hmmm... Gonna rethink this...
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Two different universes; yours includes willful blindness.

Edit: I'm being generous.

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My argument was so compelling, I was surprised that you and poster BearHunter didn't come over to my side, reasonable, level-headed folks that you are.
When we start doing the draft for the BearInsider Off-Topic debate team, you'll be near the top of the list.
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Tucker Carlson skewers Permanent DC, Mike Pompeo, DC MIC.

The date DC chose to hate Trump - February 2016?

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Tucker Carlson skewers Permanent DC, Mike Pompeo, DC MIC.

The date DC chose to hate Trump - February 2016?


I must not be DC, whatever that means, because I've hated Trump since he torpedoed the USFL back in the 1980s.
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Pretty easy to see how (once again) Trump will be playing this all out in the Court of public opinion with repeatedly attacking the Feds.

But his Kool-Aid drinking followers are too dumb to understand that it doesnt matter what he says in public.

What he says in public is very much different from what he discusses with people in his inner circle (what's left of them) and what is ACTUALLY GOING ON IN THE COURT ROOM.

All that matters is what is going to be going on in the COURT ROOM.

Period.


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movielover said:




They couldn't find a prosecutor to do it who didn't have a trifecta of issues/conflicts?
1) sanctioned for prosecutorial overreach/misconduct
2) donated to Trump's opponent
3) wife produces the biography for ex-president's wife, who is a wealthy celebrity that Trump's opponent was VP for.

Wow.
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