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In your fantasy, why are they only paying attention to Hegseth?

Question for you:

Did John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard commit PERJURY in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday?

Yes or No?

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Question for you:

Did John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard commit PERJURY in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday?

Yes or No?

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It seems like it. Her memory appears as bad as Biden and Hillary's.

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Question for you:

Did John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard commit PERJURY in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday?

Yes or No?

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It seems like it. Her memory appears as bad as Biden and Hillary's.

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I think you need to put an "expiration" date on the Biden "routine"
He's long gone. Same with Hillary. Same with Obama.

In 2017, corrupt intel officials illegally leaked details about Trump’s national security advisor to CIA journo cutout David Ignatius and also lied about the contents of the Flynn conversation they leaked.

In 2025, we are supposed to believe another intel journo cutout with a…

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) March 26, 2025

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Question for you:

Did John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard commit PERJURY in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday?

Yes or No?

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It seems like it. Her memory appears as bad as Biden and Hillary's.

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I think you need to put an "expiration" date on the Biden "routine"
He's long gone. Same with Hillary. Same with Obama.

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Nope.

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How much you want a bet there is a dick pic amongst the war plans.

Whatup with Trump backing off his Moby Dick, President Obama?

'Demonic' sea lion reports spark concerns about toxic algae on California coast - ABC News


https://abcnews.go.com/US/demonic-sea-lion-reports-spark-concerns-toxic-algae/story?id=120172840





This algae crazed bad boy chased a surfer 4 miles inland to his apartment. All they found was half a surfboard and a bloody flip flop.

Texas is a mess.

TEXAS HOUSE: Democrat chairs crafted the budget in secret and silenced criticism from Republicans like Rep Brian Harrison (in violation of House rules). Now they're banning public comment on the Democrat budget - only allowing comment from invited speakers. pic.twitter.com/ZuqDyfD2r8

— @amuse (@amuse) March 27, 2025

UK: In a shocking move PM Keir Starmer announced that it will be illegal to possess ninja and samurai swords in Britain starting August. Primarily used for ceremonial purposes, the ban comes after Pakistani migrants began using them to kill women and children. pic.twitter.com/KpPaf62X9r

— @amuse (@amuse) March 27, 2025

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Texas is a mess.

TEXAS HOUSE: Democrat chairs crafted the budget in secret and silenced criticism from Republicans like Rep Brian Harrison (in violation of House rules). Now they're banning public comment on the Democrat budget - only allowing comment from invited speakers. pic.twitter.com/ZuqDyfD2r8

— @amuse (@amuse) March 27, 2025

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Last I checked, Republicans held majorities in the Texas State Legislature and have for some time. What is he talking about?

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Texas is a mess.

TEXAS HOUSE: Democrat chairs crafted the budget in secret and silenced criticism from Republicans like Rep Brian Harrison (in violation of House rules). Now they're banning public comment on the Democrat budget - only allowing comment from invited speakers. pic.twitter.com/ZuqDyfD2r8

— @amuse (@amuse) March 27, 2025

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Last I checked, Republicans held majorities in the Texas State Legislature and have for some time. What is he talking about?

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Movielover is right. Texas is a mess.

ADMIN POST.

Here we go again.

Amsterdam Police report five injured in stabbing in the Dutch capital

The perpetrator has been arrested. pic.twitter.com/V8WJZw76gm

— Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧 (@TRobinsonNewEra) March 27, 2025

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

Britain will outlaw samari and ninja swords. ... those Japanese immigrants. s/

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

How many have thought about the fact that the massive funding sent to Politico by the Biden Admin through various NGO grants to promote "journalism" around the world, provide the means for Politico to employ dozens of partisan journalists in DC to chase down every story involving…

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) March 27, 2025

OH CANADA! Newly installed PM Mark Carney, a creature of the EU, has all but declared war on the US - stating the political, economic, and military relationship between us is over. pic.twitter.com/PNU3yDcMAL

— @amuse (@amuse) March 27, 2025

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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You should only want them to not give reasons if you are sure they would never make a mistake. Because if someone thinks you are a non-citizen who committed a crime and just takes you away without a hearing, how would you ever prove you're not?

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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You should only want them to not give reasons if you are sure they would never make a mistake. Because if someone thinks you are a non-citizen who committed a crime and just takes you away without a hearing, how would you ever prove you're not?

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It's pretty easy to prove you're a citizen, I have to think it's not that hard for them to verify that info if you tell them your name.

MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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Best not do any international traveling then. What goes around, comes around.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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Best not do any international traveling then. What goes around, comes around.

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Yeah I promise I won't travel internationally and protest against that country or it's policies?

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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You should only want them to not give reasons if you are sure they would never make a mistake. Because if someone thinks you are a non-citizen who committed a crime and just takes you away without a hearing, how would you ever prove you're not?

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It's pretty easy to prove you're a citizen, I have to think it's not that hard for them to verify that info if you tell them your name.

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Again, you are assuming that they never make a mistake. Has this government given you any indication that this is the case?

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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Ethically I think they should give reasons, but legally is the federal government even required to do so? Do we really want to shackle our government too is another question that should be asked? Probably should be something congress brings up and discusses.

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You should only want them to not give reasons if you are sure they would never make a mistake. Because if someone thinks you are a non-citizen who committed a crime and just takes you away without a hearing, how would you ever prove you're not?

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It's pretty easy to prove you're a citizen, I have to think it's not that hard for them to verify that info if you tell them your name.

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Again, you are assuming that they never make a mistake. Has this government given you any indication that this is the case?

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I'll grant you it has happened where US Citizens have been detained for deportation. I have no clue how that even happens. Every US citizen should be in a records database with social sec number and ID whether just photo ID or State Driver License. Maybe part of the problem is that states are not sharing information with ICE like they should be....

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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The amount and type of due process is specific to the underlying statute used to justify the deportation. Most of the deportees are getting some modicum of DP, just not the full fledged court hearing type of DP some are thinking about. Unlike the regular immigration deportations the President has substantial Constitutional authority with regard to the foreign affairs. The Green Card holders and the gang members don't de facto deserve court hearings to allow district judges to substitute their opinion about threats over the President's.

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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The amount and type of due process is specific to the underlying statute used to justify the deportation. Most of the deportees are getting some modicum of DP, just not the full fledged court hearing type of DP some are thinking about. Unlike the regular immigration deportations the President has substantial Constitutional authority with regard to the foreign affairs. The Green Card holders and the gang members don't de facto deserve court hearings to allow district judges to substitute their opinion about threats over the President's.

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That bolded part with there is your problem. Many of them aren't gang members. But they got no opportunity to prove it before they were shipped off to do hard labor in El Salvador. Even if this is technically legal (I find that pretty dubious), is that really how you want things to work?