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The amount and type of due process is specific to the underlying statute used to justify the deportation. Most of the deportees are getting some modicum of DP, just not the full fledged court hearing type of DP some are thinking about. Unlike the regular immigration deportations the President has substantial Constitutional authority with regard to the foreign affairs. The Green Card holders and the gang members don't de facto deserve court hearings to allow district judges to substitute their opinion about threats over the President's.

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That bolded part with there is your problem. Many of them aren't gang members. But they got no opportunity to prove it before they were shipped off to do hard labor in El Salvador. Even if this is technically legal (I find that pretty dubious), is that really how you want things to work?

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The statute gives the President these powers. The powers are consistent with article 2(?) authority. Congress can/could change the law. The deportees still have Habeus protections, I believe.

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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The amount and type of due process is specific to the underlying statute used to justify the deportation. Most of the deportees are getting some modicum of DP, just not the full fledged court hearing type of DP some are thinking about. Unlike the regular immigration deportations the President has substantial Constitutional authority with regard to the foreign affairs. The Green Card holders and the gang members don't de facto deserve court hearings to allow district judges to substitute their opinion about threats over the President's.

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That bolded part with there is your problem. Many of them aren't gang members. But they got no opportunity to prove it before they were shipped off to do hard labor in El Salvador. Even if this is technically legal (I find that pretty dubious), is that really how you want things to work?

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The statute gives the President these powers. The powers are consistent with article 2(?) authority. Congress can/could change the law. They still have Habeus protections, I believe.

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Again, not talking about what the law might technically say (I suspect this will be fought out in court), but SHOULD it really work this way? You can just take someone on mere suspicion of a crime and imprison them in a country they've never been to? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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The students being apprehended by ICE have been from a list given to them by radical zionist groups like Betar and Canary Mission.

And we provided the list of jihadis to deport from @nyuniversity @cooperunion @SyracuseU @UMich and other schools https://t.co/gMt0ESpGIK pic.twitter.com/UxehENtSKK

— Betar Worldwide (@Betar_USA) January 23, 2025

BREAKING: A Russian scientist who opposed Putin’s war, fled Russia & found work at Harvard was detained at Logan Airport returning from a French academic conference and has been sent to an immigration detention center in Louisiana for deportation to Russia https://t.co/tHRM015aMP

— Sir William Browder KCMG (@Billbrowder) March 27, 2025

I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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Those are different cases under a completely different statutory authority.

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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Those are different cases under a completely different statutory authority.

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Okay, but if Trump's EO says those people are not subject to deportation then why are they doing it?

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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Those are different cases under a completely different statutory authority.

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Okay, but if Trump's EO says those people are not subject to deportation then why are they doing it?

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We may be in a cross talk situation.

Gang / terrorist cases - I think I recall that citizens aren't subject to the order. If citizens have been deported they should have a prima facia cause of action.

Student Visa cases - not aware that citizenship could be an issue because a citizen wouldn't need a student visa.

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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Those are different cases under a completely different statutory authority.

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Okay, but if Trump's EO says those people are not subject to deportation then why are they doing it?

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We may be in a cross talk situation.

Gang / terrorist cases - I think I recall that citizens aren't subject to the order. If citizens have been deported they should have a prima facia cause of action.

Student Visa cases - not aware that citizenship could be an issue because a citizen wouldn't need a student visa.

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Your words:
"I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action."

What is a legal resident?

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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Those are different cases under a completely different statutory authority.

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Okay, but if Trump's EO says those people are not subject to deportation then why are they doing it?

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We may be in a cross talk situation.

Gang / terrorist cases - I think I recall that citizens aren't subject to the order. If citizens have been deported they should have a prima facia cause of action.

Student Visa cases - not aware that citizenship could be an issue because a citizen wouldn't need a student visa.

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Your words:
"I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action."

What is a legal resident?

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Those were my words trying to recount what I read about the order on the gang / terrorists. Probably bad choice of words. I don't really the exact language that was used … I intended it to mean non-citizens who had some legal right to be here.

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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The amount and type of due process is specific to the underlying statute used to justify the deportation. Most of the deportees are getting some modicum of DP, just not the full fledged court hearing type of DP some are thinking about. Unlike the regular immigration deportations the President has substantial Constitutional authority with regard to the foreign affairs. The Green Card holders and the gang members don't de facto deserve court hearings to allow district judges to substitute their opinion about threats over the President's.

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Ummm... that's what we have judges for. To verify who are in fact gang members and criminals and to ensure that the enforcement of one man's opinion doesn't violate the rule of law.

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I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

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"Legal residents" as in what? Green card holders? Those with visas? They are already having those canceled and being swept up anyway.

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Those are different cases under a completely different statutory authority.

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Okay, but if Trump's EO says those people are not subject to deportation then why are they doing it?

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We may be in a cross talk situation.

Gang / terrorist cases - I think I recall that citizens aren't subject to the order. If citizens have been deported they should have a prima facia cause of action.

Student Visa cases - not aware that citizenship could be an issue because a citizen wouldn't need a student visa.

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Your words:
"I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action."

What is a legal resident?

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Those were my words trying to recount what I read about the order on the gang / terrorists. Probably bad choice of words. I don't really the exact language that was used … I intended it to mean non-citizens who had some legal right to be here.

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Are those not green card and visa holders? Who else would be a non-citizen with a legal right to be here?

See, this is the point I'm trying to make. In order to justify all of this without just saying, "I don't care, I just want the immigrants out," you have to argue yourself into knots like this. And that's because that is what the Trump administration really believes and what they are trying to do. Just get the immigrants out, and we don't care who we hurt.

If you support this, then just own it. If not . . . don't defend it.

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A UW fellow and Georgetown PHD candidate have been detained for deportation. Based on what I'm seeing so far they have 'supported' Hezbellah (with words) and associated with Hamas (the PHD candidates' father in law was an advisor to a Hamas leader). Unless there are additional facts indicating something more than thoughts/words/family members...this is a step too far, wrong and un-American.

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This fits with the same pattern as the Columbia student who got arrested. The government still has not presented any evidence of actual material support for terrorism from him either . . . again, it's all just speech. This all sets a very, very bad precedent.

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Yes, speech is the link. Why do you think green card and visa holders can say anything they want? They cannot. If they would have told the government they were pro-hamas before entering they would have been denied entry. Green card holders are not naturalized citizens. Their entrance into the United States comes with responsibility. We do not want to be importing people into the USA that cause social disruption, that would be catastrophic.

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Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot, and permanent residents were getting deported by a Democrat administration for protesting against say, covid mandates, or other activities deemed "socially disruptive" by the administration in office?

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American born citizens are not the same as GUESTS to the USA. They literally can not do that.

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If you in the United States and you protest the rape of a Palestinian detainee with a probe soaked in pork blood you will have your legal permanent residency revoked and you will be stuffed into a van by plainclothes officers. You are a guest in our country. Behave. https://t.co/sqZw4ocs0N

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) March 27, 2025

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I don't know why you're replying to me with this, nothing about this is some kind of verifiable information. This is on the trust me bro level of journalism.

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"Trust me bro" level of journalism has unfortunately been the norm when covering events in Palestine, you had for instance many guys on this board arguing with a straight face that the dead babies in Gaza were in fact Chinese dolls, and that the first couple of Gaza hospital bombardments were done by the Palestinians themselves. You couldn't have that level of gullibility if it weren't for decades of MSM brainwashing on Israel/Palestine, and that gaslighting has been more effective on the right wing audience.

So I am not sure what you are finding unverifiable here, the assertion that students on F1 or PR status from across the country are getting stalked, rounded up and shipped to black holes in Louisiana merely for writing editorials sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, or do you think that this American surgeon who has been working in Gaza is making stuff up about his native colleagues being captured and tortured by Israel??

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I'm just not that concerned with people that aren't US citizens coming to the US to go to school and then spending their energy to create unrest. They can do that in their own country, no reason to come here. I completely understand why some think we should be ok to let foreign nationals to do that, but if those were russians would we be saying the same thing if their goal was to create unrest, or chinese CCP members?

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Do you define writing an article as "creating unrest?" This seems like a huge stretch to me.

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I'm not going to go case by case, you guys can have a field day with that. Everybody thinks they have all the information, I literally have no information about why ICE yeeted somebody.

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Well, our point is that ICE or any other government agency should be required to produce the reasons why and give them an opportunity to challenge it. That's due process. Do you disagree?

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The amount and type of due process is specific to the underlying statute used to justify the deportation. Most of the deportees are getting some modicum of DP, just not the full fledged court hearing type of DP some are thinking about. Unlike the regular immigration deportations the President has substantial Constitutional authority with regard to the foreign affairs. The Green Card holders and the gang members don't de facto deserve court hearings to allow district judges to substitute their opinion about threats over the President's.

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Ummm... that's what we have judges for. To verify who are in fact gang members and criminals and to ensure that the enforcement of one man's opinion doesn't violate the rule of law.

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No, that's exactly wrong. The statutes and C give presidents exclusive authority over national security. That is the President's domaine, not the judiciary. District judges do not get to assess each individual claim of gang membership. That is the president's area.

The judiciary can be involved for things like misapplication of the statute - determine the statute doesn't apply because there isn't an "invasion", eg.

tHAT NEW pRIME mINISTER OF cANADA IS PRETTY GOOD AT TOUGH TALK, BUT I DOUBT HE CAN WALK THE WALK. I WENT TO CANADA YESTERDAY WEARING AN AMERICAN FLAG T-SHIRT THAT SAID "THESE COLORS DON'T RUN, YOU STUPID HOCKY STICKS" AND NOBODY GAVE ME A HARD TIME BECAUSE THEY KNOW DONALD J TRUMP IS LOOKING OUT FOR LOYALISTS AMERICANS AND HE IS STRONG.

AS OUR HEAD OF SECURITY KRISTY KNOW'EM SAID TODAY I LUST AFTER BI POSTER "BIG C" THANK YOU DONALD J TRUMP!!!!!

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

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No, they don't. Quit distorting the truth. Democrats are using Democrat Federal District judges to delay Trump. They forum shop in 94 districts and find judges they like who will block Trump.

….and Trump will get all those matters to his SCOTUS…..although, as cynical as I am, he can only really count on Alito and Thomas to be 100% corrupt. I formerly included Gorsuch in that group, but this recent ruling indicates that there is a line even he won't cross (naturally, Alito and Thomas pole vaulted over it giggling):

Supreme Court upholds federal regulations on ghost gun kits - ABC News


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-upholds-federal-regulations-ghost-gun-kits/story?id=119207659

oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

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No, they don't. Quit distorting the truth. Democrats are using Democrat Federal District judges to delay Trump. They forum shop in 94 districts and find judges they like who will block Trump.

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Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants.

sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

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No, they don't. Quit distorting the truth. Democrats are using Democrat Federal District judges to delay Trump. They forum shop in 94 districts and find judges they like who will block Trump.

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Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants.

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You just told tequila4kapp that Trump may be correct on the law, but it isn't what the law should be. It appears Trump doesn't have to change any laws. Nice try though.

oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

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No, they don't. Quit distorting the truth. Democrats are using Democrat Federal District judges to delay Trump. They forum shop in 94 districts and find judges they like who will block Trump.

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Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants.

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You just told tequila4kapp that Trump may be correct on the law, but it isn't what the law should be. It appears Trump doesn't have to change any laws. Nice try though.

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No, I said I was dubious that he was correct on the law but even if we assume he is should we really support the policy? Reading comprehension is important.

sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

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No, they don't. Quit distorting the truth. Democrats are using Democrat Federal District judges to delay Trump. They forum shop in 94 districts and find judges they like who will block Trump.

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Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants.

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You just told tequila4kapp that Trump may be correct on the law, but it isn't what the law should be. It appears Trump doesn't have to change any laws. Nice try though.

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No, I said I was dubious that he was correct on the law but even if we assume he is should we really support the policy? Reading comprehension is important.

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Yet you just said, "Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants."

Understanding what you write is important. Whether or not we agree with the legally allowed policy is an entirely different issue.

oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I see your point but I think Trump wins this one as a matter of law. He has a ton of authority in this area, both C and statutory.

I believe Trump's EO says citizens and legal residents are not subject to deportation. If any of them were deported they should have causes of action.

The normal counterbalance to things when the executive has this much power is elections.

And I will add that for as much as I have railed against D's use of words like dictator and fascism, this one qualifies. It's an obvious serious stretch and manipulation of the law to achieve a popular result which is against the spirit of our nation's principles. It's a slippery slope that all too often ends in abuses of power on a grand scale.

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I don't think this qualifies calling the President dictator or fascist at all. The last administration rushed in as many people as they could possibly fit in a 4 year period, no hearings, no system at all, just come on in one and all. If Trump doesn't take drastic action that will change the country forever. People voted for this. You can't just rush the border of the United States and be allowed in. What the Biden admin did was corrupt af and these people have to go. You want to complain, go complain to the democrats who facilitated it.

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I disagree that a prior impropriety justifies subsequent improprieties.

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Except that the opposition's entire goal is not to help govern thru a back and forth, the entire oppositions goal is to stop all means of governing entirely and run out the presidents time. Trump literally can't govern thru normal means. That isn't a guess, that was proven thru 4 years already. It's also being proven out now.

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Republicans control everything at the federal level. Quit whining.

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No, they don't. Quit distorting the truth. Democrats are using Democrat Federal District judges to delay Trump. They forum shop in 94 districts and find judges they like who will block Trump.

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Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants.

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You just told tequila4kapp that Trump may be correct on the law, but it isn't what the law should be. It appears Trump doesn't have to change any laws. Nice try though.

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No, I said I was dubious that he was correct on the law but even if we assume he is should we really support the policy? Reading comprehension is important.

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Yet you just said, "Trump can go to his Republican Congress and get the laws changed if he wants."

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I don't understand how you think this contradicts anything above. Judges (including the Supreme Court, which Republicans do control) can rule the President's actions as being against current law. If he doesn't like that, Congress can change the law. This is our system.

Pretty cool, if you buy a car that's made in the united states, when you borrow money they're gonna let americans deduct the interest payments for income taxes.

Yeah, these tariffs on autos are really COOL bro!

They're gonna drive up the cost for a U.S. buyer of a new vehicle by an estimated $12,000 on average.

MAGA!!!

DiabloWags said:

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Yeah, these tariffs on autos are really COOL bro!

They're gonna drive up the cost for a U.S. buyer of a new vehicle by an estimated $12,000 on average.

MAGA!!!

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Do you think that the coming Recession will be called Trumpcession?

I can just hear all of the whining and crying from the Maggots in the Midwest when they lose their jobs.

So much WINNING is coming!!!

Go Trump Go!

🇳🇴 ANOTHER STABBING: 4 people stabbed in Trondheim, Norway.

Police are investigating whether it was a terrorist attack. pic.twitter.com/YUEl511hya

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 29, 2025

How bad is the UK?

ADMIN POST.

Starmer's regime at it again.

Police sent six uniformed officers to arrest two parents who complained about their school on a WhatsApp group.

Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine arrested infront of their children, locked in a cell for eight hours by Hertfordshire… pic.twitter.com/6NSqcw5OKa

— Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧 (@TRobinsonNewEra) March 28, 2025

TERROR: Federal judge expected to release the Las Vegas Tesla terrorist who shot cameras, five Teslas, and firebombed a Tesla store before reporting his car stolen. The 36-year-old’s mother is expected in court on Monday to take responsibility for him. pic.twitter.com/YiS2OQCLyc

— @amuse (@amuse) March 29, 2025

Charlie Javice convicted of defrauding JPMorgan during sale of financial aid startup Frank | AP News


https://apnews.com/article/charlie-javice-convicted-fraud-jp-morgan-783cb7b089f6ab5d814c4c0984f0302b

A new cellmate for Lizzy Holmes?

Liberals deface Tesla.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHWFH03Rj7C/?img_index=2&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==