They told us crony capitalist China was doing everything better than us

Illegal immigrants charged in 75% of this year's murders in Fairfax County, VA per DHS.

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They told us crony capitalist China was doing everything better than us

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Not everything. Just most things.
China doesn't have the lawsuits than USA has and so quality can suffer.

BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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movielover said:

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If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

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Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

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Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

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The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

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As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

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China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

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.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.

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This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite

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Neither group will allow the other to expand infinitely. There will be a day when China and the Muslim world go to war.

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China has committed five years ago to invest $400 billion in Iranian infrastructure, part of their BRI plan. They have similar investments with the Arabian countries and with Pakistan.

The last battle between China and a Muslim nation was over 13 centuries ago, the Battle of Talas in 751 AD between the Tang Dynasty and the Abbasid Caliphate.

I don't think you majored in history at Cal.

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You seem to be ignoring an entire ethnic population of Muslims. I don't think you majored in history at Cal

China has invested less than $5 billion into Iran since 2007, commitments are cool and all but reality matters. Some reports that no new investment has happened in 2024 or 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-are-chinas-economic-interests-iran-2025-06-24/

If you're gonna insult people, at least be right

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More recently, China has pumped several billions into Iran this year alone, in order to stabilize their currency. While inflation is still bad in Iran today, it would have been a whole lot worse without that capital injection.

China is committed to the current government in Iran. The premise above by SFCitybear, and the argument that you are not addressing here is that China is not going to go to war with "Muslims", it's a pretty dumb premise by someone who has no clue about the region's history and geopolitics, and whose views seem to be based on lowbrow cultural stereotypes.

I have pointed out that China hasn't gone to war with their western Asian Muslim neighbors since the 8th century.

Oh and yes, the stuff about Uyghurs being genocided is complete bull. The irony is that many who buy into that propaganda will deny the genocide in Gaza.

BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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SFCityBear said:

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Aunburdened said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Cal88 said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

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Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

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Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

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The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

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As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

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China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

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.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.

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This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite

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Neither group will allow the other to expand infinitely. There will be a day when China and the Muslim world go to war.

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China has committed five years ago to invest $400 billion in Iranian infrastructure, part of their BRI plan. They have similar investments with the Arabian countries and with Pakistan.

The last battle between China and a Muslim nation was over 13 centuries ago, the Battle of Talas in 751 AD between the Tang Dynasty and the Abbasid Caliphate.

I don't think you majored in history at Cal.

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You seem to be ignoring an entire ethnic population of Muslims. I don't think you majored in history at Cal

China has invested less than $5 billion into Iran since 2007, commitments are cool and all but reality matters. Some reports that no new investment has happened in 2024 or 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-are-chinas-economic-interests-iran-2025-06-24/

If you're gonna insult people, at least be right

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More recently, China has pumped several billions into Iran this year alone, in order to stabilize their currency. While inflation is still bad in Iran today, it would have been a whole lot worse without that capital injection.

China is committed to the current government in Iran. The premise above by SFCitybear, and the argument that you are not addressing here is that China is not going to go to war with "Muslims", it's a pretty dumb premise by someone who has no clue about the region's history and geopolitics, and whose views seem to be based on lowbrow cultural stereotypes.

I have pointed out that China hasn't gone to war with their western Asian Muslim neighbors since the 8th century.

Oh and yes, the stuff about Uyghurs being genocided is complete bull. The irony is that many who buy into that propaganda will deny the genocide in Gaza.

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What's your strategy for picking and choosing which genocides to care about?

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It might seem like a weird strategy, but I care about the ones that are real.

BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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SFCityBear said:

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Aunburdened said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Cal88 said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

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Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

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Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

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The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

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As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

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China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

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.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.

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This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite

---

Neither group will allow the other to expand infinitely. There will be a day when China and the Muslim world go to war.

---

China has committed five years ago to invest $400 billion in Iranian infrastructure, part of their BRI plan. They have similar investments with the Arabian countries and with Pakistan.

The last battle between China and a Muslim nation was over 13 centuries ago, the Battle of Talas in 751 AD between the Tang Dynasty and the Abbasid Caliphate.

I don't think you majored in history at Cal.

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You seem to be ignoring an entire ethnic population of Muslims. I don't think you majored in history at Cal

China has invested less than $5 billion into Iran since 2007, commitments are cool and all but reality matters. Some reports that no new investment has happened in 2024 or 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-are-chinas-economic-interests-iran-2025-06-24/

If you're gonna insult people, at least be right

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More recently, China has pumped several billions into Iran this year alone, in order to stabilize their currency. While inflation is still bad in Iran today, it would have been a whole lot worse without that capital injection.

China is committed to the current government in Iran. The premise above by SFCitybear, and the argument that you are not addressing here is that China is not going to go to war with "Muslims", it's a pretty dumb premise by someone who has no clue about the region's history and geopolitics, and whose views seem to be based on lowbrow cultural stereotypes.

I have pointed out that China hasn't gone to war with their western Asian Muslim neighbors since the 8th century.

Oh and yes, the stuff about Uyghurs being genocided is complete bull. The irony is that many who buy into that propaganda will deny the genocide in Gaza.

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What's your strategy for picking and choosing which genocides to care about?

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It might seem like a weird strategy, but I care about the ones that are real.

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You clearly don't because you've repeatedly argued that the Uyghurs situation is made up by a random German dude

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Yes, most of the assertions of Uyghur genocide is from Adrian Zenz, who is affiliated with an Australian neocon think tank. According to Zenz, there are one million Uyghurs being held in Xinjiang concentration camps.

How does China hide one million alleged gulagers?

Thread shows how Washington’s favorite Xinjiang “scholar” Adrian Zenz appears to have committed another act of fraud to cover his tracks after quietly retracting one of the “major findings” that supposedly proved genocide https://t.co/bbosqjyBuk

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) March 31, 2021

Far-right Christian supremacist Adrian Zenz is "widely cited" & "respected" almost entirely by US regime stenographers like you, who use journalistic cover to legitimize any accusation advancing Washington's neocolonial plans. You're a party to his fraud. https://t.co/4Q6kPUxglc

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) March 18, 2021

Western media's entire "genocide" narrative is based off the work of one man: Adrian Zenz. If you and others actually checked his work, you'd realize you're actually wrong. The guy is a total fraud. The "internment camps" on google maps were marked by a 19 y/o old intern.

🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

— OMH 🇵🇸 (@cavsfan0322) March 30, 2021

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And like i already said, no that's not where I got my info. Just because you keep saying it, it doesn't make it true. Try reading what I post and researching the people I listed in my previous post instead of just always thinking you're the smartest person in the room.

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You haven't listed any people or cited any research on Xinjiang.

The myth of Uyghur genocide stems from the reports Adrian Zenz wrote for ASPI.

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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And like i already said, no that's not where I got my info. Just because you keep saying it, it doesn't make it true. Try reading what I post and researching the people I listed in my previous post instead of just always thinking you're the smartest person in the room.

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You haven't listed any people or cited any research on Xinjiang.

The myth of Uyghur genocide stems from the reports Adrian Zenz wrote for ASPI.

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Here you go again
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/81358/replies/2677866

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Are any of these 4 people not professional activists funded by the NATO NGO and deep state network? I looked up the first two, they cite Zenz' figure of 1 million Uyghurs detained.

BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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And like i already said, no that's not where I got my info. Just because you keep saying it, it doesn't make it true. Try reading what I post and researching the people I listed in my previous post instead of just always thinking you're the smartest person in the room.

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You haven't listed any people or cited any research on Xinjiang.

The myth of Uyghur genocide stems from the reports Adrian Zenz wrote for ASPI.

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Here you go again
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/81358/replies/2677866

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Are any of these 4 people not professional activists funded by the NATO NGO and deep state network? I looked up the first two, they cite Zenz' figure of 1 million Uyghurs detained.

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Those four people all have first hand experience and three of the four spent time interned in the camps. It's not Zenz' figure. It's just the figure.

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Zenz is the original source for that figure.

Try looking into how he arrived at that figure.

Thanks for sharing. I remember Italy being mentioned as one of the countries linked to the 2020 election.

Here it is:

Italy-Gate: Barack Hussein Obama and Matteo Renzi, former Prime Minister of Italy, orchestrated the overthrow of the U.S. government on November 3, 2020.

The single most damning testimony of the 2020 Presidential election.

Maria Zack: “Today, I’m going to play an… pic.twitter.com/mcAmMMTfoq

— 🇺🇸RealRobert🇺🇸 (@Real_RobN) April 4, 2026

Good article about "The Weaponized Shortcut", how motive attribution doesn't just happen naturally, it can be manufactured, deployed and scaled. It's about using anger.

https://t.co/h7GuBNepcy

— John Ʌ Konrad V (@johnkonrad) March 16, 2026

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Good article about "The Weaponized Shortcut", how motive attribution doesn't just happen naturally, it can be manufactured, deployed and scaled. It's about using anger.

https://t.co/h7GuBNepcy

— John Ʌ Konrad V (@johnkonrad) March 16, 2026

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started reading this but stopped here:

"The Weaponized Shortcut

First I must explain why TDS is sprading.."

The Mango Moron is about to speak at a 10:00 AM Press Conference.

DiabloWags said:

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The Mango Moron is about to speak at a 10:00 AM Press Conference.

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pass (always)

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DiabloWags said:

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The Mango Moron is about to speak at a 10:00 AM Press Conference.

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pass (always).

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Lot's of storytelling.

And . . . he actually thinks that the U.S. should be charging "tolls" to pass thru the Strait of Hormuz.

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I will also say that I've heard from people who have traveled to that part of China for business reasons, and they say that at one time there were public bazaars with the usual Muslim Uyghur cultural affiliations, and then they came back a few years later and those were all gone and no one could say why.

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It would be like someone visiting the South Bay in the 1970s saying that all the orchards are gone so they must have put the farmers in concentration camps.

I can unequivocally state that the Uyghurs in China have more rights than the ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Their language is protected (it is even on the Yuan notes), they have affirmative action and their region is economically thriving and becoming the hub of China's new silk road. Tourism is booming in Xinjiang, the local culture is highlighted, not banned.

China does control tightly their religious circles, as they also control Christianity in their country, an unfortunate aspect of their government but this is in a context where foreign jihadi ideology has been willfully promoted in Xinjiang, and terrorists funded by NATO (US, Turkey and their Arabian partners), same as with the Chechens in Russia.

Contrast with Ukraine outright banning the old Orthodox church, bombing ethnic Russians in the Donbas, and Ukrainian president Poroshenko boasting about Donbas children growing up in basement as he was bombing their people into submission in the 2010s.

This is the capital of Xinkiang, Urumqi, their infrastructure is superior to that of any American city:



High speed rail station


Airport

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I think the genocide or ethnic cleansing or whatever you want to call it is real. It's not all just based on the study of one guy. Maybe he estimated the wrong number or something, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

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Almost all the Uyghur genocide claims circulated are based on Zenz' claims.

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I will also say that I've heard from people who have traveled to that part of China for business reasons, and they say that at one time there were public bazaars with the usual Muslim Uyghur cultural affiliations, and then they came back a few years later and those were all gone and no one could say why.

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It would be like someone visiting the South Bay in the 1970s saying that all the orchards are gone so they must have put the farmers in concentration camps.

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Well, it's that plus a lot of other reporting and testimony. Hearing from someone who saw some stuff first hand just helped confirm it for me.

Where does your information come from?

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I've never been to that part of China, but also know several people who have, as well there are many travelers and influencers online who refute the notion of an ongoing genocide.

If there really was a Uyghur genocide, you would have had millions of Uyghur refugees in American and western European cities. There are for example a lot of Tibetan refugees from the late 20th century in India and Nepal, the repression in Tibet having been quite severe during Mao's reign. I collect Tibetan art, and the local artisanal production in China crashed after the 1950s. It came back decades later, but not nearly to the same historical standards.