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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 12:32p, 4/2/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:33p, 4/2/26
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

They do care about this, as it would motivate middle powers like Japan or S Korea to get nukes.

The Chinese also have heavily invested into both sides of the Gulf.

China and North Korea have nukes, South Korea and Japan would have obtained nukes a long time ago if not for U.S. intervention.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 12:34p, 4/2/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

They do care about this, as it would motivate middle powers like Japan or S Korea to get nukes.

The Chinese also have heavily invested into both sides of the Gulf.

China and North Korea have nukes, South Korea and Japan would have obtained nukes a long time ago if not for U.S. intervention.

Everybody should get nukes. It's the only way to keep the U.S. from ****ing with your country.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 12:53p, 4/2/26
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

They do care about this, as it would motivate middle powers like Japan or S Korea to get nukes.

The Chinese also have heavily invested into both sides of the Gulf.

China and North Korea have nukes, South Korea and Japan would have obtained nukes a long time ago if not for U.S. intervention.

Everybody should get nukes. It's the only way to keep the U.S. from ****ing with your country.

Iran crazy, they ****ing with U.S. even without nukes.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 12:56p, 4/2/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

They do care about this, as it would motivate middle powers like Japan or S Korea to get nukes.

The Chinese also have heavily invested into both sides of the Gulf.

China and North Korea have nukes, South Korea and Japan would have obtained nukes a long time ago if not for U.S. intervention.

Everybody should get nukes. It's the only way to keep the U.S. from ****ing with your country.

Iran crazy, they ****ing with U.S. even without nukes.

We ****ed with them first, both in this war and in 1953.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 1:05p, 4/2/26
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There has been surprisingly little news about the DC J6 bomber's arrest. Virtually zero coverage on the major cable networks, etc. Per X it an early 30s guy from VA who is associated with anarchist statements.

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In reply to Aunburdened • 2:04p, 4/2/26
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

They do care about this, as it would motivate middle powers like Japan or S Korea to get nukes.

The Chinese also have heavily invested into both sides of the Gulf.

China and North Korea have nukes, South Korea and Japan would have obtained nukes a long time ago if not for U.S. intervention.

Everybody should get nukes. It's the only way to keep the U.S. from ****ing with your country.

Exactly: We are a rogue superpower now. One with a crap-load of nuclear weapons. What country wouldn't want them?
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FYI, we are at war with Iran who is targeting our civilian vessels. It looks like we are doing this one at a time in hopes that they will stop targeting our civilian vessels. This isn't a terrorist attack, which is what Iran has been funding and supervising for decades.
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Cal88 said:


FYI, we are at war with Iran who is targeting our civilian vessels. It looks like we are doing this one at a time in hopes that they will stop targeting our civilian vessels. This isn't a terrorist attack, which is what Iran has been funding and supervising for decades.


The definition of terrorist attack has been changed to apply to anything Trump does
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Cal88 said:


FYI, we are at war with Iran who is targeting our civilian vessels. It looks like we are doing this one at a time in hopes that they will stop targeting our civilian vessels. This isn't a terrorist attack, which is what Iran has been funding and supervising for decades.


Say what you want about the Iranians, but they've never unleashed on humanity something as terrifying as the movie "Melania".
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Cal88 said:
oski003 said:
Cal88 said:


FYI, we are at war with Iran who is targeting our civilian vessels. It looks like we are doing this one at a time in hopes that they will stop targeting our civilian vessels. This isn't a terrorist attack, which is what Iran has been funding and supervising for decades.


Say what you want about the Iranians, but they've never unleashed the movie "Melania" on humanity.


You didn't address his post in the slightest, likely because you can't. Instead you make a Melania joke.
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Cal88 said:
oski003 said:
Cal88 said:


FYI, we are at war with Iran who is targeting our civilian vessels. It looks like we are doing this one at a time in hopes that they will stop targeting our civilian vessels. This isn't a terrorist attack, which is what Iran has been funding and supervising for decades.


Say what you want about the Iranians, but they've never unleashed the movie "Melania" on humanity.


You didn't address his post in the slightest, likely because you can't. Instead you make a Melania joke.


Too dumb a premise for a straight answer, we bombed the crap out of them, keep assassinating their leadership, they retaliated using their geography, knowing our pain points.

Your position is entirely shaped by the neocon clash of civilization narrative (and/or the neoliberal one where we need to liberate oppressed brown people so that they too can have Starbucks and Onlyfans).
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:12p, 4/2/26
Bingo.

Who knew that Iran had a geographical Trump card?

Welcome to the Dumbest President in my Lifetime.
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My position was that you didn't address his point
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My position was that you didn't address his point

Your position is redundant and annoying.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:19p, 4/2/26

Hypothetically, two girls' schools...

One is blown up by a giant bomb dropped from a 73-million-dollar bomber. The other is blown up by a single suicide bomber who has high explosives strapped to him.

I guess you could say that the latter more closely fits the classic definition of "terrorism", but is there really much difference?
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My position was that you didn't address his point

Your position is redundant and annoying.


Arguing in bad faith
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Hypothetically, two girls' schools...

One is blown up by a giant bomb dropped from a 73-million-dollar bomber. The other is blown up by a single suicide bomber who has high explosives strapped to him.

I guess you could say that the latter more closely fits the classic definition of "terrorism", but is there really much difference?


The one that was done on purpose is a terrorist attack.
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Big C said:

Hypothetically, two girls' schools...

One is blown up by a giant bomb dropped from a 73-million-dollar bomber. The other is blown up by a single suicide bomber who has high explosives strapped to him.

I guess you could say that the latter more closely fits the classic definition of "terrorism", but is there really much difference?

The one that was done on purpose is a terrorist attack.

So both of them. Thanks.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 12:39p, 4/3/26
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.
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Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.


This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:46p, 4/3/26
dajo9 said:
SFCityBear said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.


This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite


Neither group will allow the other to expand infinitely. There will be a day when China and the Muslim world go to war.
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In reply to Big C • 1:08p, 4/3/26
Big C said:

Hypothetically, two girls' schools...

One is blown up by a giant bomb dropped from a 73-million-dollar bomber. The other is blown up by a single suicide bomber who has high explosives strapped to him.

I guess you could say that the latter more closely fits the classic definition of "terrorism", but is there really much difference?


In the context of this discussion, we should make clear that the Iranians should not be associated with suicide bombers targeting schools, they have done nothing of the sort.

Neocon wars are based on a post-9/11 "clash of civilisations" narrative built over decades of propaganda that obscure basic facts like US sanctions and wars having resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people there.






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BearlySane88 said:
dajo9 said:
SFCityBear said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.


This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite


Neither group will allow the other to expand infinitely. There will be a day when China and the Muslim world go to war.


China has committed five years ago to invest $400 billion in Iranian infrastructure, part of their BRI plan. They have similar investments with the Arabian countries and with Pakistan.

The last battle between China and a Muslim nation was over 13 centuries ago, the Battle of Talas in 751 AD between the Tang Dynasty and the Abbasid Caliphate.

I don't think you majored in history at Cal.
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Meanwhile, China have been targeting the Uyghur Muslims for years, utilizing mass detention, forced labor, family separations, and surveillance on the ethnic minority.
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Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
dajo9 said:
SFCityBear said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.


This statement is historically more accurate from America, and the West in general, than for China or Iran. But for every time the West attacked them, fearmongering like this was a prerequisite


Neither group will allow the other to expand infinitely. There will be a day when China and the Muslim world go to war.


China has committed five years ago to invest $400 billion in Iranian infrastructure, part of their BRI plan. They have similar investments with the Arabian countries and with Pakistan.

The last battle between China and a Muslim nation was over 13 centuries ago, the Battle of Talas in 751 AD between the Tang Dynasty and the Abbasid Caliphate.

I don't think you majored in history at Cal.


You seem to be ignoring an entire ethnic population of Muslims. I don't think you majored in history at Cal

China has invested less than $5 billion into Iran since 2007, commitments are cool and all but reality matters. Some reports that no new investment has happened in 2024 or 2025.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-are-chinas-economic-interests-iran-2025-06-24/

If you're gonna insult people, at least be right
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Meanwhile, China have been targeting the Uyghur Muslims for years, utilizing mass detention, forced labor, family separations, and surveillance on the ethnic minority.


We sponsored wahhabi terrorism in Xinjiang, jihadi strain which did not exist there, there are over 10,000 Uyghur "moderate headchoppers" in Syria alone, funded by the US deep state, along with Qatar and Turkey.



https://www.economist.com/china/2025/01/09/militant-uyghurs-in-syria-threaten-the-chinese-government

Most of the information you get about the Uyghurs, stuff like concentration camps with 1 million people, is produced by a German guy funded by NATO entities and foundations called Adrian Zenz.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:10p, 4/3/26
Yeah, no clue who that German source you're referring to is but try looking up people like Gulbahar Haitiwaji, Mihrigul Tursun, Sayragul Sauytbay, and Tursunay Ziyawudun who all experienced the camps you claim are propaganda. What do you think your friends at Amnesty International or Human Right's watch have to say about the crimes against humanity China commits against the ethnic minority?
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In reply to SFCityBear • 1:00p, 4/4/26
SFCityBear said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
movielover said:
If there's a Gaza peace deal and expansion of the Abraham Accords ... President Trump will have earned his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Can somebody explain to me why the Abraham Accords haven't brought us peace in the Middle East?

Cooperation among Mideast countries and mutual opposition to Shiite Iran is the Abraham Accords.

The Abraham Accords are deeply flawed because they do not address the Palestinian issue, promote regional antagonism towards Iran, alienate local Shiites, and do not reflect the aspirations of the great majority of the people from these autocracies.

What we're seeing today is the unraveling of that scheme.

The Chinese put together a conference between Iran and the GCC countries, that would have been a good basis to build on.

As long as China can get cheap oil from Iran, they probably don't care if Iran develops a nuclear arsenal.

China doesn't care if Iran has nukes because Iran has no reason to attack China.

.........yet. Not just yet, anyway. The Muslims have a long term plan. So do the Communists of China. Neither one will tell the other which generation of their leaders will make that attack, not whether, not when, but if it is part of their plan, they will attack. Take it to the bank.


Fear.
Xenophobia.
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