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oski003 said:

bearister said:

Movie Tip: The Irishman was 3 1/2 hours of pretentious, self indulgent and anemic crap. No wonder no studio would fund it. Netflix has a bad case of the 0 fors going with regard to its original movies.





* Fans of Goodfellas, Casino and The Departed will be sad. Watch Kill the Irishman (2011) instead.




Does Roma count as a Netflix original movie? It won 3 academy awards in 2019, the most recent Oscars. I and many others I know enjoyed the film.

Roma was definitely a Netflix movie.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

bearister said:

Movie Tip: The Irishman was 3 1/2 hours of pretentious, self indulgent and anemic crap. No wonder no studio would fund it. Netflix has a bad case of the 0 fors going with regard to its original movies.





* Fans of Goodfellas, Casino and The Departed will be sad. Watch Kill the Irishman (2011) instead.


Scorsese is the only guy who is even more Teflon than Steve Greatwood. No one is ever allowed to criticize him.

Demonstrably untrue. Look up any movie he ever made and you'll find negative reviews. They might not be the majority, but they exist.

Hell, Last Temptation of Christ has actual protesters.
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sycasey said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

bearister said:

Movie Tip: The Irishman was 3 1/2 hours of pretentious, self indulgent and anemic crap. No wonder no studio would fund it. Netflix has a bad case of the 0 fors going with regard to its original movies.





* Fans of Goodfellas, Casino and The Departed will be sad. Watch Kill the Irishman (2011) instead.


Scorsese is the only guy who is even more Teflon than Steve Greatwood. No one is ever allowed to criticize him.
Demonstrably untrue. Look up any movie he ever made and you'll find negative reviews. They might not be the majority, but they exist.

Hell, Last Temptation of Christ has actual protesters.
Every religious movie outside of maybe the Ten Commandments has had protesters.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/martin_scorsese
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Every religious movie outside of maybe the Ten Commandments has had protesters.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/martin_scorsese
You're probably right about that.

Life of Brian had anti-protester protesters.


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Trump is right. Why didn't previous presidents recognize the centennial of women's suffrage?


+1000

The easy answer is that all previous presidents could count, but........


Please identify the woman in the "Votes for Women" Beauty Pageant style sash standing behind tRump.
I damn well wish that I could. Do you have her number?


Penny Young Nance....and there is a reason tRump chose to have that picture cropped in that manner.
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bearister said:



Penny Young Nance....and there is a reason tRump chose to have that picture cropped in that manner.
OMG.

What's the problem? She did supposedly graduate from Jerry Falwell Jr. Prep.

I hereby lower her score in the BI Off Topic Board Beauty Pageant*** from 11 to 2.

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Getting us back on topic.

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Lisa Page goes public.
You should click and read this.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/lisa-page-speaks-no-fathomable-005942249.html
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bearister said:

Movie Tip: The Irishman was 3 1/2 hours of pretentious, self indulgent and anemic crap. No wonder no studio would fund it. Netflix has a bad case of the 0 fors going with regard to its original movies.





* Fans of Goodfellas, Casino and The Departed will be sad. Watch Kill the Irishman (2011) instead.




It was a little like one of those Boomer rock band you love playing a cruise ship but, still, a great romp through the Kennedys, Hoffa, mob, teamsters and the enduring rot at the center of American life. And with Pacino, Pesci and Harvey Keitel to boot! Great fun.
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Google and YouTube reportedly pull hundreds of Trump ads for violating policies


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/02/google-youtube-trump-ads-pulled-report?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It must be a comfort to tRump to know he can rely on Zuckerberg to be the same unprincipled POS as depicted in Social Network.
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Nice golf bag

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Major bag fail. How on earth you fitting a body in that?
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That screams out for wetwork.
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" Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department's inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter."


Barr disputes key inspector general finding about FBI's Russia investigation - The Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-doesnt-accept-key-inspector-general-finding-about-fbis-russia-investigation/2019/12/02/4464f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-doesnt-accept-key-inspector-general-finding-about-fbis-russia-investigation/2019/12/02/4464f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html%3foutputType=amp

I would say Billy Barr has violated enough Canons of Ethics to merit disbarment once he is no longer under tRump's nuclear umbrella.
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bearister said:

" Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department's inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter."


Barr disputes key inspector general finding about FBI's Russia investigation - The Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-doesnt-accept-key-inspector-general-finding-about-fbis-russia-investigation/2019/12/02/4464f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-doesnt-accept-key-inspector-general-finding-about-fbis-russia-investigation/2019/12/02/4464f018-154d-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html%3foutputType=amp

I would say Billy Barr has violated enough Canons of Ethics to merit disbarment once he is no longer under tRump's nuclear umbrella.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Chris+Farrell
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K9 asking us to spend time reading Chris Farrell.

Article on Farrell (WaPo):

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A guest on a network TV program floats a conspiracy theory so distasteful that the network takes the extraordinary step of publicly rebuking the guest's comment while vowing never to re-air the program.
It happened last week after commentator Christopher J. Farrell told Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs that a "Soros-occupied State Department" was funding a large caravan of migrants who are traveling through Latin America on their way to the United States border. His reference was to George Soros, a Jewish billionaire philanthropist and political activist who is frequently the target of far-right, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Farrell's comment which has no basis in fact elicited outrage on social media on Sunday, a day after the mass shooting of 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue and less than a week after Soros himself was the target of a bomb scare.
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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Chris+Farrell


Who is recommending the news and opinion sources you read and post here?

Gatestone Institute | Factsheet: Islamophobia | The Bridge Initiative


https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-gatestone-institute/
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bearister said:

kelly09 said:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Chris+Farrell


Who is recommending the news and opinion sources you read and post here?

Gatestone Institute | Factsheet: Islamophobia | The Bridge Initiative


https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-gatestone-institute/

No one needs to recommend anything. It's quite easy to get stuck in the conservative media bubble all on your own.
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sycasey said:

bearister said:

kelly09 said:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Chris+Farrell


Who is recommending the news and opinion sources you read and post here?

Gatestone Institute | Factsheet: Islamophobia | The Bridge Initiative


https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-gatestone-institute/

No one needs to recommend anything. It's quite easy to get stuck in the conservative media bubble all on your own.
They all just forward the links to each other and pretend as if it's fact.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

They all just forward the links to each other and pretend as if it's fact.
He and the others like him on the board can be shown over and over that their facts and sources are not true, and STILL not believe it or dismiss it as a one off. They can be shown that their sources are in effect propaganda and disinformation, and they will STILL go back to those very sources for proof or validation that that these same sources are in fact legitimate and that it is the "liberals" and MSM that is part of a deep state fake news. They basically ask the liar to tell them if they are a liar or not.

At best they arrive at a place of "you have your biased news sources and we have ours." As if facts are a 50/50 proposition or a matter of interpretation or that the bias in media deviates exactly from some imaginary median position. They give equal credence to blowhards who speak in vague conspiratorial terms off the top of their head using buzz words and dog whistles (take these as earnest opinions worth consideration), while dismissing well-researched journalism by professional sources supported by court documents and witness testimony under oath.

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance. I have said it too many times already, but in the internet age everyone gets an opinion and can find those who agree with their opinion, and so dumb people don't get the resonant feedback that they are in fact dumb...or at least behaving stupidly. The social corrective of shame is ironically neutered by social media.

For some reason that I can not explain, the conviction to an ongoing and shifting conservative narrative has lost all connection to truth and Constitution and yet the adherents regurgitate it with venom as if their ego is at risk. Are we just watching a massive display of denial and cognitive dissonance, a national cult, solely out of a grudging refusal to budge an inch or to let Liberals be right about anything? What imagined cost do they have in their head if they actually step forward and speak the truth and say this is wrong? That this is somehow a Liberal victory rather than a victory for justice and country? That if you do not support Trump at every illegal turn then there will be abortions in the street, gay wedding cakes in every bakery, guns instantly confiscated, Christianity banished, an illegal brown person in your bed, and who knows what other imagined "evils"? Is Trump perceived as the stop gap finger in a cultural dike? Why him, the least best representative of their actual stated values?

It's all absurd on its face, but how else do we explain the cult of personality and the abandonment of shared American values for a cheap tweet-a-day sloganeering belief system?
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I wish I could embed the video, but it's worth a quick watch via the link.
Erin Burnett of CNN showing 3 ways that what the GOP intelligence committee report ("prebuttal") is full of complete NONTRUTHS!!

It really is amazing that they can throw this crap out there as they do! And yet, their denizens appear to be none the wiser. I do t get it. Wake up, zombies!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-report/index.html
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Again, I usually embed videos or copy/paste articles right here in BI to avoid the clickfest launching additional windows, but this one is worth listening to!!

Axelrod interviewing former Trump Economic Advisor (formerly of Goldman Sachs) Gary Cohn , who talks about how he was unsuccessful in convincing Trump on issues using empirical fact based arguments. And he fears/says there is no one else left in his inner circle to advise or tell Trump no.

Hopefully Cohn will inspire other insiders to turn on Trump. The man has to be tossed into the Seine!!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/politics/gary-cohn-trump-white-house/index.html

Cohn was pro-trade, pro climate change issues, pro immigration reform. He thought it was better to be in the room in hopes of influencing than on the outside, but quit when Trump insisted on the Chinese tariffs.
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blungld said:

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.
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Trump administration releases Lebanon military aid after it was held up for months


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-releases-lebanon-military-aid-held-months/story?id=67451332
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/white-house-releases-lebanon-military-aid-held-months/story%3fid=67451332

Conspiracy theories anyone?
1. Future tRump hotel in Beruit?
2. Skimming interest from holding account?
3. Putin requested delay?
4. Chess Master Jerry the Kush needed it for a move on the Middle East 3D board?
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bearister said:

Trump administration releases Lebanon military aid after it was held up for months


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-releases-lebanon-military-aid-held-months/story?id=67451332
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/white-house-releases-lebanon-military-aid-held-months/story%3fid=67451332

Conspiracy theories anyone?
1. Future tRump hotel in Beruit?
2. Skimming interest from holding account?
3. Putin requested delay?
4. Chess Master Jerry the Kush needed it for a move on the Middle East 3D board?
Incompetence...or trying to normalize the holds on aid as counter-evidence for Ukraine? He is making that same play on pardons. Look I pardon people for all kinds of reasons, so why shouldn't I later pardon convicted criminals who have no evidence of innocence but kept their mouth shut and whose pardon I can use as leverage for protection from prosecution of my own crimes?
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blungld said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

They all just forward the links to each other and pretend as if it's fact.
He and the others like him on the board can be shown over and over that their facts and sources are not true, and STILL not believe it or dismiss it as a one off. They can be shown that their sources are in effect propaganda and disinformation, and they will STILL go back to those very sources for proof or validation that that these same sources are in fact legitimate and that it is the "liberals" and MSM that is part of a deep state fake news. They basically ask the liar to tell them if they are a liar or not.

At best they arrive at a place of "you have your biased news sources and we have ours." As if facts are a 50/50 proposition or a matter of interpretation or that the bias in media deviates exactly from some imaginary median position. They give equal credence to blowhards who speak in vague conspiratorial terms off the top of their head using buzz words and dog whistles (take these as earnest opinions worth consideration), while dismissing well-researched journalism by professional sources supported by court documents and witness testimony under oath.

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance. I have said it too many times already, but in the internet age everyone gets an opinion and can find those who agree with their opinion, and so dumb people don't get the resonant feedback that they are in fact dumb...or at least behaving stupidly. The social corrective of shame is ironically neutered by social media.

For some reason that I can not explain, the conviction to an ongoing and shifting conservative narrative has lost all connection to truth and Constitution and yet the adherents regurgitate it with venom as if their ego is at risk. Are we just watching a massive display of denial and cognitive dissonance, a national cult, solely out of a grudging refusal to budge an inch or to let Liberals be right about anything? What imagined cost do they have in their head if they actually step forward and speak the truth and say this is wrong? That this is somehow a Liberal victory rather than a victory for justice and country? That if you do not support Trump at every illegal turn then there will be abortions in the street, gay wedding cakes in every bakery, guns instantly confiscated, Christianity banished, an illegal brown person in your bed, and who knows what other imagined "evils"? Is Trump perceived as the stop gap finger in a cultural dike? Why him, the least best representative of their actual stated values?

It's all absurd on its face, but how else do we explain the cult of personality and the abandonment of shared American values for a cheap tweet-a-day sloganeering belief system?
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kelly09 said:

blungld said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

They all just forward the links to each other and pretend as if it's fact.
He and the others like him on the board can be shown over and over that their facts and sources are not true, and STILL not believe it or dismiss it as a one off. They can be shown that their sources are in effect propaganda and disinformation, and they will STILL go back to those very sources for proof or validation that that these same sources are in fact legitimate and that it is the "liberals" and MSM that is part of a deep state fake news. They basically ask the liar to tell them if they are a liar or not.

At best they arrive at a place of "you have your biased news sources and we have ours." As if facts are a 50/50 proposition or a matter of interpretation or that the bias in media deviates exactly from some imaginary median position. They give equal credence to blowhards who speak in vague conspiratorial terms off the top of their head using buzz words and dog whistles (take these as earnest opinions worth consideration), while dismissing well-researched journalism by professional sources supported by court documents and witness testimony under oath.

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance. I have said it too many times already, but in the internet age everyone gets an opinion and can find those who agree with their opinion, and so dumb people don't get the resonant feedback that they are in fact dumb...or at least behaving stupidly. The social corrective of shame is ironically neutered by social media.

For some reason that I can not explain, the conviction to an ongoing and shifting conservative narrative has lost all connection to truth and Constitution and yet the adherents regurgitate it with venom as if their ego is at risk. Are we just watching a massive display of denial and cognitive dissonance, a national cult, solely out of a grudging refusal to budge an inch or to let Liberals be right about anything? What imagined cost do they have in their head if they actually step forward and speak the truth and say this is wrong? That this is somehow a Liberal victory rather than a victory for justice and country? That if you do not support Trump at every illegal turn then there will be abortions in the street, gay wedding cakes in every bakery, guns instantly confiscated, Christianity banished, an illegal brown person in your bed, and who knows what other imagined "evils"? Is Trump perceived as the stop gap finger in a cultural dike? Why him, the least best representative of their actual stated values?

It's all absurd on its face, but how else do we explain the cult of personality and the abandonment of shared American values for a cheap tweet-a-day sloganeering belief system?

21 quarter units in Political Science from the University of California. 1967 -1969. As for HS Civics, I probably would fail today.There teachers, who think and indoctrinate just like you would My grandson, who was at SRVHS brought home a list of the greatest women in US history. Number five on the list was Anita Hill.
I'm guessing in line with how you would see it.
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"Indoctrinate". Thanks! You just filled my RWNJ Bingo Card!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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kelly09 said:

21 quarter units in Political Science from the University of California. 1967 -1969. As for HS Civics, I probably would fail today.There teachers, who think and indoctrinate just like you would My grandson, who was at SRVHS brought home a list of the greatest women in US history. Number five on the list was Anita Hill.
I'm guessing in line with how you would see it.
Have you tried discussing with your grandson or his teacher about why Anita Hill is on the list to be studied? I'm not saying you'd agree, but maybe you would see it as something other than indoctrination.
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sycasey said:

blungld said:

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.
I was about to agree 100% with what you wrote.

Then you implied that the lack of due diligence and truth-blinding bias are present only among conservative posters.

Could it be that your own bias causes you to do the same?

Anyone who comes to these discussions with a closed mind will view only the things that support their preconceptions as truth. You see that in the circle-jerk discussions here and in the circle-jerk discussions in conservative forums. You see that in incessant name calling and stereotyping instead of discussing (and rationalizing that prior bad acts by others justifies their bad acts).

It is not an issue of political inclination. It is an issue with blind and emotional bias that the dogmatic posters (who delude themselves into thinking that only they and those on their side see the truth) most likely bring to discussions on almost any topic.
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

blungld said:

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.
I was about to agree 100% with what you wrote.

Then you implied that the lack of due diligence and truth-blinding bias are present only among conservative posters.

Could it be that your own bias causes you to do the same?

Anyone who comes to these discussions with a closed mind will view only the things that support their preconceptions as truth. You see that in the circle-jerk discussions here and in the circle-jerk discussions in conservative forums. You see that in incessant name calling and stereotyping instead of discussing (and rationalizing that prior bad acts by others justifies their bad acts).

It is not an issue of political inclination. It is an issue with blind and emotional bias that the dogmatic posters (who delude themselves into thinking that only they and those on their side see the truth) most likely bring to discussions on almost any topic.
To remove all doubt, I'll say that I don't see these things exclusively among conservative posters, just disproportionately.
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

blungld said:

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.
I was about to agree 100% with what you wrote.

Then you implied that the lack of due diligence and truth-blinding bias are present only among conservative posters.

Could it be that your own bias causes you to do the same?

Anyone who comes to these discussions with a closed mind will view only the things that support their preconceptions as truth. You see that in the circle-jerk discussions here and in the circle-jerk discussions in conservative forums. You see that in incessant name calling and stereotyping instead of discussing (and rationalizing that prior bad acts by others justifies their bad acts).

It is not an issue of political inclination. It is an issue with blind and emotional bias that the dogmatic posters (who delude themselves into thinking that only they and those on their side see the truth) most likely bring to discussions on almost any topic.
To remove all doubt, I'll say that I don't see these things exclusively among conservative posters, just disproportionately.
I see it disproportionately among liberal posters, but that just betrays our respective biases.
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

blungld said:

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.
I was about to agree 100% with what you wrote.

Then you implied that the lack of due diligence and truth-blinding bias are present only among conservative posters.

Could it be that your own bias causes you to do the same?

Anyone who comes to these discussions with a closed mind will view only the things that support their preconceptions as truth. You see that in the circle-jerk discussions here and in the circle-jerk discussions in conservative forums. You see that in incessant name calling and stereotyping instead of discussing (and rationalizing that prior bad acts by others justifies their bad acts).

It is not an issue of political inclination. It is an issue with blind and emotional bias that the dogmatic posters (who delude themselves into thinking that only they and those on their side see the truth) most likely bring to discussions on almost any topic.
To remove all doubt, I'll say that I don't see these things exclusively among conservative posters, just disproportionately.
I see it disproportionately among liberal posters, but that just betrays our respective biases.
Probably yes.
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