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My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.

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You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.

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Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.

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The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.

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That's just right wing framing

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Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?

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Does your experience suggest that adults are aggressively pushing a "trans" identity on the kids you know about?

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I wouldn't use the word "aggressive". I will readily admit to not knowing the full stories, which is why I would say we should slow down a little bit and accept all kids as they are, without labeling them too early.

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Everybody is labeled at birth. If a little boy wants to wear dresses and be called a girl - and this goes on for a long time. What do you call the child?

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I might just call the child a child. Maybe he wants to be called a girl because he feels more comfortable with girls, and yet we insist on labeling him as a boy -- not just at birth, but continually throughout childhood.

Really, I had expected that my idea of less gender labeling (which might include unisex bathrooms and maybe even gender neutral pronouns for all) would catch more flack from the right, than the left.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.

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You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.

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Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.

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The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.

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That's just right wing framing

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Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?

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Does your experience suggest that adults are aggressively pushing a "trans" identity on the kids you know about?

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I wouldn't use the word "aggressive". I will readily admit to not knowing the full stories, which is why I would say we should slow down a little bit and accept all kids as they are, without labeling them too early.

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Everybody is labeled at birth. If a little boy wants to wear dresses and be called a girl - and this goes on for a long time. What do you call the child?

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I might just call the child a child. Maybe he wants to be called a girl because he feels more comfortable with girls, and yet we insist on labeling him as a boy -- not just at birth, but continually throughout childhood.

Really, I had expected that my idea of less gender labeling (which might include unisex bathrooms and maybe even gender neutral pronouns for all) would catch more flack from the right, than the left.

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How about just not judging the decisions made by families in homes you don't live in?

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Seriously? You're really changing around the issue now... and to your own disadvantage. Suddenly this is about the freedom of individual families to make their own decisions without being judged? What if a father wants to spank his five year old cisgender boy for playing with dolls? You would not judge that? I certainly would.

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I would probably kick the father in the ballz for saying cisgender.

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Big C said:

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My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.

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You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.

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Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.

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The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.

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That's just right wing framing

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Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"? (BTW, that sentence that you quoted was part of a larger context.)

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My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.

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You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.

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When did conservatives stop valuing personal freedom? According to anecdotal evidence, about half of all tattoo recipients regret getting inked. Should we outlaw that? Why haven't conservatives ever taken notice of the growth in cosmetic surgery to teenagers in this country? Whether it's a nose job or breast reduction or augmentation, why do they not care about that? Does breast reduction only become a problem when it's someone transitioning?

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This "transitioning" process is very far from benign, not just with the body mutilations, but also in the chemical treatments, the drugs also are not benign.

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I have been working in education in various capacities for 30+ years. ...

I think a supportive school should be an environment where this exploration be can happen safely. ...

Such nonsense does not happen at the rate these clowns suggest. No gender affirming surgery happens to minors without parental consent, and the patient must undergo counseling regardless of age to assess the commitment and seriousness of the intention to began transitioning.

But Righteous Righties will continue to tell their horror stories and pretend they care about these kids. But their inability to act on guns show they don't give a f- about kids. Just virtue signaling red meat for the base. And movie lover and Minot eat it up and ask for more.

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I asked you some simple questions which you dodged (expected), and then you delved into more name calling (typical). I'll try one more time, and edit them down for brevity. It's OK if you don't know. (Please save the name calling for somebody else.)

- I can point to two obvious biological reasons why we shouldn't perform sex change procedures on 12 year olds. Can you?

- Why are we speed-tracking Tik Tok diagnosis of children?

- Do you have any idea why this phenomena / fad is primarily affecting young girls?

- Why are you in such a rush to give a 12-year-old girl a double mastectomy, hormone blockers and hormones, when that all could still be done at 22 or 25?

- And what happens to these - typically young girls - if you just leave them the hell alone?

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I didn't dodge your questions....

Why should people seeking gender affirming care come to movielover, ...

You are the only one here advocating for a specific medical course of action so you should be able to defend your position. ...

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I asked you some simple questions which you dodged (expected), and then you delved into more name calling (typical). I'll try one more time, and edit them down for brevity. It's OK if you don't know. (Please save the name calling for somebody else.)

- I can point to two obvious biological reasons why we shouldn't perform sex change procedures on 12 year olds. Can you?

- Why are we speed-tracking Tik Tok diagnosis of children?

- Do you have any idea why this phenomena / fad is primarily affecting young girls?

- Why are you in such a rush to give a 12-year-old girl a double mastectomy, hormone blockers and hormones, when that all could still be done at 22 or 25?

- And what happens to these - typically young girls - if you just leave them the hell alone?

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I didn't dodge your questions....

Why should people seeking gender affirming care come to movielover, ...

You are the only one here advocating for a specific medical course of action so you should be able to defend your position. ...

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This isn't about "people". It's about CHILDREN, teens and pre-teens.

False. Advocating leaving children alone isn't "medical action". Children have thrived for 5,000 years until the invention of Tik Tok and sexualization of children and the new gender religion.

Yup. You dodged.

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As the loving mother of four (plus a "bonus" child), my journey has proven that not only do doctors in Idaho not "push" gender-affirming care onto families, but obtaining health care for trans youth can be quite difficult to get, even when it's needed.

And sometimes, it is very needed.

I know because two of my children struggled with their gender identity. One of them needed gender-affirming health care, which saved their life. The other not only doesn't need gender-affirming medical care, but their quality of life would be negatively impacted if they did receive it.

I come from a traditional Mormon background, working as a stay-at-home wife and mom, homeschooling my children and even not having a TV in the house. My ability to support my trans kids is a credit to my oldest, who came out as gay years before it became apparent that two of my other kids had gender dysphoria. Each of my children are unique, different people with unique, different wants and needs. I love them equally, but if one child scrapes their knee, I would not offer Band-Aids to all of them. Such are the ramifications of broad-sweeping legislation as House Bill 71 that affects all young people as if they were the same person in the same situation.

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After an incredible amount of paperwork, permissions, sessions and visits, we finally got John on testosterone hormone therapy, and he began his transition. As soon as he started taking testosterone, he came back to life. He joked, laughed, was energetic, and was no longer talking about his death. He was completely and utterly changed. That was six years ago.

John is attending college, and unless he reveals this information, people don't know he is transgender. He is thriving now a complete 180 degree turn from how he was when he first came into our family.

Gender-affirming care saved his life. There is no question about that. He would not have lasted two or three more years without care.
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Not all trans kids need gender-affirming care; some need to wait, others cannot wait. The answer for Harper is not hormones, yet. However, that is something we understand because of our experience with John and because of the highly individualized care we've spent years working on. Despite knowing Harper has gender dysphoria, none of the therapists or medical providers have said a single word about hormone therapy for Harper. Not one. I can guarantee doctors are not "pushing" this kind of care onto kids who don't need it.

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So out of four children, two are transgender and one is gay?

The most simple question: what happens to a child with gender dysphoria who isn't operated on?

*crickets*

Her family has a parallel to the seemingly disproportionate number of Hollywood children who are coming out as transgender.

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So out of four children, two are transgender and one is gay?

The most simple question: what happens to a child with gender dysphoria who isn't operated on?

*crickets*

Her family has a parallel to the seemingly disproportionate number of Hollywood children who are coming out as transgender.

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5 children, one of whom was a troubled teen that they adopted. Simple facts have always proved elusive for you. Based on the disclosures in the article, she seems like a very caring mother who is doing what she believes is best for her children, and one that has been informed by the best medical care she has been able to find.

Sounds like you are attacking them for their experience - is that based on your rigorous medical training as well? Perhaps you will claim that this religious mormon family is to "blame" because they homeschooled their kids and didn't own a TV but it's always hard to imagine how you manipulate the various conspiracy theories that form your worldview when you try to support your agenda. The finest example is you claiming that Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine violated an agreement that had nothing to do with Russia. That makes perfect sense when you start with the outcome and work backwards to rationalize it.

Please feel free to share the draft response to the newspaper you plan to submit declaring why this caring mother is wrong and about why your medical expertise would support taking no action ever. I'm sure it will be quite convincing.

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Transgender suicidal ideation rate in Iran similar to those of Western countries

As many as 70% of transgender men and transgender women in Iran experienced suicidal ideation, according to results of an observational retrospective study published in Journal of Psychiatric Research.

This finding was "surprisingly similar" to those of Western studies despite transgender individuals in Iran facing more significant difficulties in a non-Western sociopolitical context, the authors said.

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So out of four children, two are transgender and one is gay?

The most simple question: what happens to a child with gender dysphoria who isn't operated on?

*crickets*

Her family has a parallel to the seemingly disproportionate number of Hollywood children who are coming out as transgender.

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5 children, one of whom was a troubled teen that they adopted. Simple facts have always proved elusive for you. Based on the disclosures in the article, she seems like a very caring mother who is doing what she believes is best for her children, and one that has been informed by the best medical care she has been able to find.

Sounds like you are attacking them for their experience - is that based on your rigorous medical training as well? Perhaps you will claim that this religious mormon family is to "blame" because they homeschooled their kids and didn't own a TV but it's always hard to imagine how you manipulate the various conspiracy theories that form your worldview when you try to support your agenda. The finest example is you claiming that Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine violated an agreement that had nothing to do with Russia. That makes perfect sense when you start with the outcome and work backwards to rationalize it.

Please feel free to share the draft response to the newspaper you plan to submit declaring why this caring mother is wrong and about why your medical expertise would support taking no action ever. I'm sure it will be quite convincing.

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This is just a case of a mother projecting her misguided modern woke dogma onto her children, Munchausen by proxy.

The natural base rate of homosexuality/transgenderism is not 50%, it's 10 to 25 times less than that. So when you have several kids from the same mother exhibiting this rare behavior, it is the reflection of that family's dogma rather than the organic tendencies of the children.

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So out of four children, two are transgender and one is gay?

The most simple question: what happens to a child with gender dysphoria who isn't operated on?

*crickets*

Her family has a parallel to the seemingly disproportionate number of Hollywood children who are coming out as transgender.

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5 children, one of whom was a troubled teen that they adopted. Simple facts have always proved elusive for you. Based on the disclosures in the article, she seems like a very caring mother who is doing what she believes is best for her children, and one that has been informed by the best medical care she has been able to find.

Sounds like you are attacking them for their experience - is that based on your rigorous medical training as well? Perhaps you will claim that this religious mormon family is to "blame" because they homeschooled their kids and didn't own a TV but it's always hard to imagine how you manipulate the various conspiracy theories that form your worldview when you try to support your agenda. The finest example is you claiming that Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine violated an agreement that had nothing to do with Russia. That makes perfect sense when you start with the outcome and work backwards to rationalize it.

Please feel free to share the draft response to the newspaper you plan to submit declaring why this caring mother is wrong and about why your medical expertise would support taking no action ever. I'm sure it will be quite convincing.

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This is just a case of a mother projecting her misguided modern woke dogma onto her children, Munchausen by proxy.

The natural base rate of homosexuality/transgenderism is not 50%, it's 10 to 25 times less than that. So when you have several kids from the same mother exhibiting this rare behavior, it is the reflection of that family's dogma rather than the organic tendencies of the children.

These kids have been conditioned to believe that their mental well-being goes through this most radical physical operation and treatment. Being trans has become some form of exalted status that would solve their internal problems, yet around 40% of trans people attempt suicide, a rate that is more than 10 times the base rate.

This rate as well is consistent across countries and cultural environment that range from very tolerant to highly intolerant, which indicates that their suicidal motivations are not driven by intolerance:

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Transgender suicidal ideation rate in Iran similar to those of Western countries

As many as 70% of transgender men and transgender women in Iran experienced suicidal ideation, according to results of an observational retrospective study published in Journal of Psychiatric Research.

This finding was "surprisingly similar" to those of Western studies despite transgender individuals in Iran facing more significant difficulties in a non-Western sociopolitical context, the authors said.

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https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20210819/transgender-suicidal-ideation-rate-in-iran-similar-to-those-of-western-countries

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Unit2 wouldn't answer my simple question about major biological changes everyone experiences, and no medical degree is required.

Puberty / adolescence - when hormones are raging, there are massive physical and mental changes, and many have a difficult time.

Brain fully developed, experts now reportedly say it happens at 25.

I can't see why anyone under 18 would be put on these powerful drugs and hormones, and realistically wouldn't even suggest it for anyone under 25.

According to Dr. Peterson, the top research clinical psychologist who has studied this phenomena is in Canada. And what happens to these newfound, newly discovered, teenagers, if you leave them alone? A high percentage identify as lesbian.

I wonder if this Mormon Dragon Mom ever got her son / they into a regular physical education regiment? Dramatically easier than surgery, heavy hormones and medication.

Dr. Peterson has also mentioned another psychological issue which disproportionately afflicts young girls - anorexia. He made some reference to the sensitivity of housing young teens with this condition together, in that they can feed off of each others condition. (I was hiking, so may have missed some nuance.)

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— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 30, 2023

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What's your medical degree, and what books have you published?

I have recently met two mothers grappling with their teens believing that they are / may be transgendered. They're both divorced, and both have mentioned the overwhelming influence of social media. Both children are girls. Imagine that.

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