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concordtom said:

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Who are these people who use their kids with guns as props?
How irresponsible.

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Posing with a prop is a recoverable event, a blip; changing a 12-year-old child's Plumbing with barbaric surgery isn't.

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These Tweets you linked have nothing to do with surgery. They're just about (maybe) trans people walking around in public. You seem bothered by that as well.

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Top African journalist rebuffed, ignored at White House.

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White House Gadfly Simon Ateba Falsely Claims He's Banned From Dinner

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Ateba, whose notoriety has only grown thanks to his disruptive press briefing outbursts and accusations of "censorship" by the White House Correspondents Association, tweeted that WHCA president Tamara Keith and the board "won't let me buy a ticket for doing my job."

However, only news organizations with WHCA members are eligible to purchase ticketsthe group's main source of revenue. And as Ateba has recently acknowledged, his WHCA membership was rejected this year because he was unable to provide evidence he was employed by a legitimate news-gathering outlet. Ateba operates the site Today News Africa, appears to be its sole staffer, claims he makes "no salary," and now touts himself as just "an influencer."

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Is this guy really a "top journalist," now?

sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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Top African journalist rebuffed, ignored at White House.

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White House Gadfly Simon Ateba Falsely Claims He's Banned From Dinner

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Ateba, whose notoriety has only grown thanks to his disruptive press briefing outbursts and accusations of "censorship" by the White House Correspondents Association, tweeted that WHCA president Tamara Keith and the board "won't let me buy a ticket for doing my job."

However, only news organizations with WHCA members are eligible to purchase ticketsthe group's main source of revenue. And as Ateba has recently acknowledged, his WHCA membership was rejected this year because he was unable to provide evidence he was employed by a legitimate news-gathering outlet. Ateba operates the site Today News Africa, appears to be its sole staffer, claims he makes "no salary," and now touts himself as just "an influencer."

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Is this guy really a "top journalist," now?

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Are you beginning to question whether ML is able to assess the credibility of news sources? The only thing that would make this more on brand from ML is if this Ateba clown was on Kremlin payroll (or a climate denier) like the vast majority of ML's current news sources.

concordtom said:

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movielover said:

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concordtom said:

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Who are these people who use their kids with guns as props?
How irresponsible.

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Posing with a prop is a recoverable event, a blip; changing a 12-year-old child's Plumbing with barbaric surgery isn't.

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Your fear of someone else's life choice vs someone else with a gun ending your life.

We need gun control laws, not sex control laws.

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Switzerland has high gun ownership rates, highest in W. Europe, but hardly any gun homicides, even compared to Canada.

Brazil has 14 times lower gun ownership rates than the US, yet Brazil has 5 times higher homicide rates than the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_and_homicide

So even if you lowered gun ownership rates in the US to Brazil level through an incredibly draconian, pie in the sky gun control law and enforcement, homicide levels are not likely to drop off, for the simple reason that those that are desperate enough to commit the crimes will always have access to these guns, and those who have been conditioned to commit acts of incredible violence will continue to do so.

Thus the correlation between gun ownership rates and homicide rates is not the end-all be all in this debate, your take is far too simplistic largely because it is driven by ideology, not data. The data shows for instance that the countries with the 10 worst homicide rates have very low gun ownership rates:

Country / Homicide Rate / Guns per 100 residents
Honduras 91.6 / 6.2
El Salvador 69.2 / 5.8
Jamaica 52.2 / 8.1
Venezuela 45.1 / 10.7
Belize 41.4 / 10
Guatemala 38.5 / 13.1
Zambia 38.0 8.9Uganda 36.3 / 1.4
Malawi 36.0 / .7
Lesotho 35.2 / 2.7
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 / 1.6

also:

Brazil 21.0 / 8
United States 4.2 / 112.6
Switzerland 0.7 / 45.7

The difference between the US and Switzerland is not the amount of guns available to the average citizen, it is in the culture, more specifically the gang culture, which the US shares with a lot of countries that are near the top of the homicide rate list, like Brazil, Honduras, Guatemala etc.

El Salvador slashed its homicide rates by crushing its gangs.

Racist much?

Correct, the gang and drug cultures, which intertwine.

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, lets adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton just said Vladimir Putin interfered in our “Democracy” by helping Trump win because he feared Hillary Clinton more than Donald Trump.

Does anyone actually believe these outlandish claims? 😂 pic.twitter.com/LU2uHbYONI

— Proud Elephant 🇺🇸🦅 (@ProudElephantUS) April 3, 2023

The year is 2086, the sentient robot of Hillary Clinton is still blaming Putin for losing to Trump.

Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, lets adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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The ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

What am I missing here?

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*** Modified ***

I don't know all his positions, but I'd suggest these modifications:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax - Most likely
-Covid vaccines bad - Proven 8 ways to Sunday
-Amateur counselors and doctors who suggest or start CHILDREN and young teenagers on hormone blockers, hormobe replacement, etc. after one statement of teenage confusion are incompetent, immoral, and should be sued and have their licenses revoked.
- "Gender reassignment" discussions with young people who haven't gone through puberty and adolescence seems outlandish!
- Where is the proof of these inevitable 'suicides' if a 14-year-old isn't given a mastectomy?
- NATO / US expanded NATO in contradiction to what George Bush Sr. committed to Gorby. NATO / US appear to be the busy body warmongers, and now they found out Russia ain't Iraq, and our 40+ General's and Admirals are incompetent, spineless, bought off, or all of the above.

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— LTG (R) Mike Flynn (@GenFlynn) April 4, 2023

pic.twitter.com/OuQHDtg4Qd

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) April 4, 2023

Hahahahahahaaaa!

I knew you were going to post something like this.
You're terribly predictable.

Surprised you didnt include a picture of NELSON MANDELLA or JESUS CHRIST.

Lmfao!

Women swimmers will no longer have to face trans competitors under new rules from Swim England | Daily Mail Online. This is amazing news for women’s rights!
https://t.co/UmdhdSUEoq

— Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis (@DrLoupis) April 4, 2023

oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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The ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Or I've understood the issues all too well and can see exactly what he's doing.