A Melody to close Sunday by two great Americans.

A little Dr J and Marvin Gaye for the Saturday TL pic.twitter.com/l0BpRMvfhq

— OldTimeHardball (@OleTimeHardball) May 17, 2025

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tequila4kapp said:

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Is this the thread where we are discussing Qatar? I previously was dismissive of the criticism, claiming the plane was going to the DOD/USAF. I am here to correct the record and change my tune. More recent reports indicate the plane with then be transferred to Trump's Presidential Library in 2029. If this plane is in any way used by Trump after 2029...this is total BS. Personal gifts are not allowed.

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I can see no reason for a Presidential Library to need a nearly new and lightly used 747.

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Wouldn't it be used by the US Government for 4 years?

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Aside from shuttling Trump to his frequent golf outings and to Mar-A-Lago, it probably wouldn't be used more than a couple of times a month. It's not like it's making a couple of flights a day like it would with an airline.

If the Trump Presidential Library paid the US Government the going rate for used 747s, then I have no problem with that. I suspect no cash will change hands though.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Is this the thread where we are discussing Qatar? I previously was dismissive of the criticism, claiming the plane was going to the DOD/USAF. I am here to correct the record and change my tune. More recent reports indicate the plane with then be transferred to Trump's Presidential Library in 2029. If this plane is in any way used by Trump after 2029...this is total BS. Personal gifts are not allowed.

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I can see no reason for a Presidential Library to need a nearly new and lightly used 747.

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Wouldn't it be used by the US Government for 4 years?

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Aside from shuttling Trump to his frequent golf outings and to Mar-A-Lago, it probably wouldn't be used more than a couple of times a month. It's not like it's making a couple of flights a day like it would with an airline.

If the Trump Presidential Library paid the US Government the going rate for used 747s, then I have no problem with that. I suspect no cash will change hands though.

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Yet, presidential libraries aren't private businesses. They are federally owned and belong to the American people.

oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Is this the thread where we are discussing Qatar? I previously was dismissive of the criticism, claiming the plane was going to the DOD/USAF. I am here to correct the record and change my tune. More recent reports indicate the plane with then be transferred to Trump's Presidential Library in 2029. If this plane is in any way used by Trump after 2029...this is total BS. Personal gifts are not allowed.

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I can see no reason for a Presidential Library to need a nearly new and lightly used 747.

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Wouldn't it be used by the US Government for 4 years?

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Aside from shuttling Trump to his frequent golf outings and to Mar-A-Lago, it probably wouldn't be used more than a couple of times a month. It's not like it's making a couple of flights a day like it would with an airline.

If the Trump Presidential Library paid the US Government the going rate for used 747s, then I have no problem with that. I suspect no cash will change hands though.

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Yet, presidential libraries aren't private businesses. They are federally owned and belong to the American people.

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OK, I didn't know that Presidential Libraries are owned by the federal government. I still see no reason why a Presidential Library needs a 747, except as a museum piece. That would be a waste of a perfectly good passenger jet.

His health issues are no surprise … it’s was in the open, they just told us that our eyes are not seeing what we saw. pic.twitter.com/yCtwwQsgEr

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) May 19, 2025

Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

movielover said:

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Joe Biden has been diagnosed an aggressive prostate cancer.

If I were his family member, I'd consider adding Ivermectin to his treatment protocol as it is safer than Ibuprofen, and preliminary studies and anecdotes show remarkable success w cancers of all types. It apparently acts via multiple pathways.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/former-president-joe-bidens-cancer-diagnosis-gleason-score/story?id=121932715

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You're about as uneducated as they come.
Seriously, I can't imagine what you do for a living.

Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA to treat anything other than "some parasitic worms" in humans while topical versions are available for head lice and rosacea.

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised that you'd consider adding Ivermectin to a family member's treatment of prostate cancer.

tequila4kapp said:

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Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

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I feel like all of your questions could be answered much more successfully with a review of the articles already published and a Google/GPT search.

I don't think coming to the desert subforum of a relative Internet basement with a population of around 9 persons looking for an oncologist is the right way to drive down this road.

lol

tequila4kapp said:

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Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

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Not pre vaxx. There are multiple doctors who report that they've experienced never-seen-before occurrences - healthy young adults presenting with stage 4 cancer, etc.

Dr. John Campbell from the UK gives a brief overview, the gist of it covered by him and another doctor within four minutes. (Importantly, Dr. Campbell was pro vaxx for over a year until repeatedly troubling signs began appearing. He typically gives a summation, and then goes into more detail. Often a dry sense if British humor thrown in.)

Then again, movielover is probably a board certified oncologist. He knows everything and has the substack links to prove it!

Damn, movielover beat me to it!

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Is this the thread where we are discussing Qatar? I previously was dismissive of the criticism, claiming the plane was going to the DOD/USAF. I am here to correct the record and change my tune. More recent reports indicate the plane with then be transferred to Trump's Presidential Library in 2029. If this plane is in any way used by Trump after 2029...this is total BS. Personal gifts are not allowed.

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I can see no reason for a Presidential Library to need a nearly new and lightly used 747.

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Wouldn't it be used by the US Government for 4 years?

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Aside from shuttling Trump to his frequent golf outings and to Mar-A-Lago, it probably wouldn't be used more than a couple of times a month. It's not like it's making a couple of flights a day like it would with an airline.

If the Trump Presidential Library paid the US Government the going rate for used 747s, then I have no problem with that. I suspect no cash will change hands though.

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Yet, presidential libraries aren't private businesses. They are federally owned and belong to the American people.

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OK, I didn't know that Presidential Libraries are owned by the federal government. I still see no reason why a Presidential Library needs a 747, except as a museum piece. That would be a waste of a perfectly good passenger jet.

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

tequila4kapp said:

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Is this the thread where we are discussing the plane from Qatar? I previously was dismissive of the criticism, claiming the plane was going to the DOD/USAF. I am here to correct the record and change my tune. More recent reports indicate the plane with then be transferred to Trump's Presidential Library in 2029. If this plane is in any way used by Trump after 2029...this is total BS. Personal gifts are not allowed.

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Yeah… will we have to wait until then to hear you say you were a stupid dumb ass to have believed his lies, AGAIN?

I'll be watching this space.

tequila4kapp said:

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Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

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Dr. Makus here from Canada - who has authored 100 papers on cancer - outlines his observations of aggressive cancers starting in 2022.

Patients, often young, with no family history of cancer, no markers, resistant to standard treatment, and possibly a 'new pathology'.

Background: 0 - 6:30
Turbo cancer: 6:30 +

tequila4kapp said:

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Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

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Yes.

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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OK, I didn't know that Presidential Libraries are owned by the federal government. I still see no reason why a Presidential Library needs a 747, except as a museum piece. That would be a waste of a perfectly good passenger jet.

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Just an FYI:

Reagan's Air Force One was used from 1973 - 2001, by every President from Nixon thru Geroge W. Bush.
It didn't go on display at the Reagan Library until 2005, after Reagan died.

It wasn't a "gift" from a foreign government and it had been put to no use beyond pleasing kids and parents who got to walk into it and see what a traveling presidency looked like 40 years ago.

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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Assumptions, party of one.

DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

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Yes.

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You realize, don't you, that was Mr Tequila is getting at is a hunch that Biden had cancer as a candidate, before the election, yet it was withheld from the public in an attempt to rig the election.
Another reason for him to justify his Trumpism lean.

He sooo wants to be one of their gang.
Just give him plausible acceptability.

tequila4kapp said:

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Any oncologists on here? Is it possible to go from zero cancer to this advanced stage this quickly?

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Breaking: Scott Adams announces he has aggressive cancer and he is not sure if he has weeks or months to live.

Edit: vaxxed.

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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I don't think Trump cares.
He just wants to fly around in his new toy.

movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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Assumptions, party of one.

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FACTS that people with low IQ's sadly can't comprehend.

You're just not very bright.

movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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Assumptions, party of one.

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Stupidity, party of millions.



Congratulations, you're in the In crowd

EDIT: damn, Diablo, you beat me to it.

DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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Assumptions, party of one.

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FACTS that people with low IQ's sadly can't comprehend.

You're just not very bright.

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Says the alleged man who brags about his Yugo, and purposefully enticing a pedestrian into an encounter w his moving vehicle. Lotta anger there.

movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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Assumptions, party of one.

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FACTS that people with low IQ's sadly can't comprehend.

You're just not very bright.

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Says the alleged man who brags about his Yugo, and purposefully enticing a pedestrian into an encounter w his moving vehicle. Lotta anger there.

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Only a certified "Kool-Aid" drinking fool would think that the U.S. Department of Defense would gladly accept a 747 from a FOREIGN country to become Air Force One without stripping that airframe down to the rivets.

Are you really this dumb?

Experts: Qatar-gifted Air Force One may be security, upgrade disaster

UniParty unmasked.

pic.twitter.com/oBSYguJ87d

— Buddy Smot 🇺🇸🍊 (@Vanillaslider) May 19, 2025

concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Is this the thread where we are discussing the plane from Qatar? I previously was dismissive of the criticism, claiming the plane was going to the DOD/USAF. I am here to correct the record and change my tune. More recent reports indicate the plane with then be transferred to Trump's Presidential Library in 2029. If this plane is in any way used by Trump after 2029...this is total BS. Personal gifts are not allowed.

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Yeah… will we have to wait until then to hear you say you were a stupid dumb ass to have believed his lies, AGAIN?

I'll be watching this space.

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Is this really necessary? I try to maintain a level of civility with everyone here. It would be nice if that were a 2 way street.

Taiwan follows European energy nitwits.

TAIWAN: President Trump warned Europe that their dependence on Russia for energy would put their security at risk - they ignored him. Now Taiwan just decommissioned its last nuclear power plant. It will rely on China's permission to import almost 100% of its energy from now on.… pic.twitter.com/yGbCkpjmEJ

— @amuse (@amuse) May 19, 2025

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You realize, don't you, that was Mr Tequila is getting at is a hunch that Biden had cancer as a candidate, before the election, yet it was withheld from the public in an attempt to rig the election.
Another reason for him to justify his Trumpism lean.

He sooo wants to be one of their gang.
Just give him plausible acceptability.

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Tom, you are not in your best form this morning.

Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public for months, if not years. This was done by some cadre of White House personnel and assisted by a too friendly left leaning media. This is a stone cold fact. Against that backdrop it is absolutely conceivable that other medical issues were hidden and the American public was deceived.

It is also possible that his recent cancer diagnosis is normal. We deserve to know the truth.

DiabloWags said:

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movielover said:

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, game this out: if they are supposed to use this as "Air Force One," I don't think you can just take a plane from anywhere and immediately make it AF1. It would have to be outfitted with all the required security and functions needed for the Presidential plane. How long will that take? Probably years. So how much use will it even get before Trump's term is over and it would have to be mothballed at the library?

Given all of that, it doesn't pass the smell test that Trump only wants to accept the plane so it can sit in a library. It's a personal gift and they are trying to use a smokescreen to pretend that it isn't.

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What many are missing here is that the Administration is doing nothing other than getting an airplane frame.

That $400 million dollar "gift" from Qatar is going to have to be stripped all the way down to the freaking rivets to examine for surveillance devices, then rebuilt from the studs outfitting it with all kinds of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) equipment (which is what L3-Harris does).

This is no bargain.
It's not even a corrupt bargain.
It's just corrupt.

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Assumptions, party of one.

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FACTS that people with low IQ's sadly can't comprehend.

You're just not very bright.

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Movielover is only as bright as his links allow him to be. (or his boss managing his assignment to this board)

"Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public for months."

Trump's handlers are very envious of that.

bearister said:

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"Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public for months."

Trump's handlers are very envious of that.

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So we can dislike people and disagree with their policies or even believe that people have personality traits we despise. All of that is fundamentally different from losing one's cognitive capabilities. We are talking about the President of the US, not old uncle Albert who lives in a nursing home. It is awesome that people can be flippant about this but it is a very serious matter that this was hidden from us and some other group of people were likely running the country. The movie Dave was entertaining and all but that story line always be constrained to the silver screen.

Biden and his wife's hubris is somewhat understandable- he's out of it and she is supportive. . What is not acceptable is a conspiracy by staff and party to mislead the public with lies about the mental and physical competence of a walking corpse and then replace him in similar conspiratorial fashion with a stone cold loser who had no chance of winning

Anarchistbear said:

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Biden and his wife's hubris is somewhat understandable- he's out of it and she is supportive. . What is not acceptable is a conspiracy by staff and party to mislead the public with lies about the mental and physical competence of a walking corpse and then replace him in similar conspiratorial fashion with a stone cold loser who had no chance of winning

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Yes. It's very hard to push out a sitting incumbent if he doesn't want to bow out, but his team should have been informing him of the truth of his situation and not actively hiding it, as seems to be the case. No wonder he was delusional about what the polls said; they weren't showing him the bad ones (which was most of them).

Taking so long to finally get Biden to step down also actively damaged whoever was going to replace him, preventing them the opportunity to mount a real candidacy. Not saying Harris made all the right moves or anything, but that was a very short runway.