Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Anarchistbear said:
dajo9 said:
Anarchistbear said:
dajo9 said:
Anarchistbear said:
bearister said:
Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.
Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential
I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).
Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.
Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.
Can be, but with concerted effort. First, MAGA has to be stopped. His crew will get away with the vast majority of what they've done. And the national debt going from $20 trillion to $40 trillion is no joke.
Debts come and go. Bush resulted in millions of dead, the Patriot Act, creation of Homeland Security and ICE, torture, spying on Americans, assassinations, chaos in the Middle East All of that has been institutionalized and with no consequences or legal action.
Can you give us an example of federal government debts going away? It seems like we've had never ending debt increases my entire lifetime. There was a brief period when Clinton had a surplus, but the debt didn't go away or even shrink much.
It's a sad state of affairs in BI OT when I look over the above and feel I have to add the words "federal government" to try and forestall the semantic hairsplitters from making a frivolous counter argument to derail what I was trying to say.
Deficits don't go away, they mostly rise and fall. But deficits are always with us- killing a million plus people, trampling on liberties, spying on
Americans, starting a fake war, creating new agencies towards " homeland security," torture and assassinations; these are the legacy of the Bush administration which have made the US less free, less democratic, a willing participant in foreign wars and with more domestic repression by the federal government. All this endures with bi-partisan agreement.
I also think this election has zero to do with debt, nor is either party running or going to do anything about debt. Trump's party will lose because of inflation.
