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Kavanaugh is not qualified to be on the Court because he will champion those issues that will further advance and maintain state capitalist control over our lives. Of course the Democrats are not going to say this so we have this farce of a hearing.

There is only one thing that can stop Kavanaugh now and it is this woman. If she is credible he is likely pulled. Of course we may get someone equally worse but roll that dice. It was brave of her to come forward. She doesn't need more time or more investigation. It's a hearing . She only needs to be heard.

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Kavanaugh can take Scalia's place as Clarence Thomas' travel buddy on the Koch Brothers' sponsored convention circuit where they talk for pay.

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Now Bearsiter you should know better. The Justices, unlike say the Clintons, can't accept payments for speeches. They can and do accept money for college teaching positions, and they can accept travel expenses. For example, 6 of the 9 Justices regularly participate in legal conferences in Europe in places like Florence or Costa Brava (I'm sure a lot of legal work gets done). They also can accept money for books they write, though historically the royalties are not material (the books are snoozes).

Click here to view the Supreme Court justices' complete disclosures.

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The legal community is a funny place. They think because they write the rules in a certain way that a payoff isn't a payoff.

Clarence Thomas activities:

A 4 day paid vacation for a speech in Palm Springs is a payoff, in the eyes of anybody except a lawyer, apparently.

Not to mention having a wife that works for right wing thinktanks recieving payment of $680k over 5 years. Then Clarence Thomas lied about it on his financial disclosures.

Corruption.


https://www.salon.com/2011/02/20/adler_supreme_court/
https://abovethelaw.com/2011/01/clarence-thomas-and-his-wifes-680000-of-unreported-income/

Wow, the latest on Whelan is there's word Kavanaugh was in on the conspiracy to say it was someone else, that Prof. mistakingly saw someone else. The name Whelan released was also a Kavanaugh backer. Once again...you can't make this shtt up. This is the stuff morons use to trick the boys dean...in 10th grade.

I wonder if Whelan was in the 9-hr GOP strategy meeting at the Whitehouse to save Kavanaugh's nomination that happened the other day. Kavanaugh was there. I'm sure the press is investigating. Regardless, thinking this would work is the epitome of grasping at straws. A Hail Mary pass with your head up your ass.

This would be the "make shtt up" phase of the Wing Nut Playbook.

Wing Nut Playbook:
A) Distract, deflect, move the goal posts
B) Blame the victim, play the victim
C) Lie, make shtt up
D) Attack, attack, ATTACK
E) Rinse, repeat

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Wow, the latest on Whelan is there's word Kavanaugh was in on the conspiracy to say it was someone else, that Prof. mistakingly saw someone else. The name Whelan released was also a Kavanaugh backer. Once again...you can't make this shtt up. This is the stuff morons use to trick the boys dean...in 10th grade.

I wonder if Whelan was in the 9-hr GOP strategy meeting at the Whitehouse to save Kavanaugh's nomination that happened the other day. Kavanaugh was there. I'm sure the press is investigating. Regardless, thinking this would work is the epitome of grasping at straws. A Hail Mary pass with your head up your ass.

This would be the "make shtt up" phase of the Wing Nut Playbook.

Wing Nut Playbook:
A) Distract, deflect, move the goal posts
B) Blame the victim, play the victim
C) Lie, make shtt up
D) Attack, attack, ATTACK
E) Rinse, repeat

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If kavanaugh is found to be involved at all with this conspiracy theory (still a big if) he's done, cause it goes straight to his honesty and credibility.

Whelan is not only a kavanaugh backer, but according to the post, he's a friend, former co-worker and has been involved in helping advise with the nomination process.

Steve Schmidt, who knows Whelan well, thinks it's inconceivable that Whelan did not have discussions with the White House and gop senate staff about the conspiracy theory.

Obviously no outside involvement with this conspiracy theory has been proven yet. But wow. The repubublicans simply cannot get out of their own way. No wonder they want to get this vote over with as soon as humanly possible.

At the very least, when the dems question kavanaugh about his involvement with this, it will be entertaining.

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Obviously no outside involvement with this conspiracy theory has been proven yet. But wow. The repubublicans simply cannot get out of their own way. No wonder they want to get this vote over with as soon as humanly possible.

At the very least, when the dems question kavanaugh about his involvement with this, it will be entertaining.

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It would be so easy to just nominate another equally conservative justice without all this baggage, but no, Trump makes another incompetent selection with no vetting and everyone has to go down with the ship. Crazy.

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Wow, the latest on Whelan is there's word Kavanaugh was in on the conspiracy to say it was someone else, that Prof. mistakingly saw someone else. The name Whelan released was also a Kavanaugh backer. Once again...you can't make this shtt up. This is the stuff morons use to trick the boys dean...in 10th grade.

I wonder if Whelan was in the 9-hr GOP strategy meeting at the Whitehouse to save Kavanaugh's nomination that happened the other day. Kavanaugh was there. I'm sure the press is investigating. Regardless, thinking this would work is the epitome of grasping at straws. A Hail Mary pass with your head up your ass.

This would be the "make shtt up" phase of the Wing Nut Playbook.

Wing Nut Playbook:
A) Distract, deflect, move the goal posts
B) Blame the victim, play the victim
C) Lie, make shtt up
D) Attack, attack, ATTACK
E) Rinse, repeat

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If kavanaugh is found to be involved at all with this conspiracy theory (still a big if) he's done, cause it goes straight to his honesty and credibility.

Whelan is not only a kavanaugh backer, but according to the post, he's a friend, former co-worker and has been involved in helping advise with the nomination process.

Steve Schmidt, who knows Whelan well, thinks it's inconceivable that Whelan did not have discussions with the White House and gop senate staff about the conspiracy theory.

Obviously no outside involvement with this conspiracy theory has been proven yet. But wow. The repubublicans simply cannot get out of their own way. No wonder they want to get this vote over with as soon as humanly possible.

At the very least, when the dems question kavanaugh about his involvement with this, it will be entertaining.

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I think Kavanaugh is toast. Too much crap flying around and incompetence. GOP totally misread the situation and played the wrong hand. Kavanaugh is looking more weaselly by the moment. Polls show the public is against his appointment.

But wait there's more...just to make sure it's worse and the GOP offend more people...Trump chimes in.

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Obviously no outside involvement with this conspiracy theory has been proven yet. But wow. The repubublicans simply cannot get out of their own way. No wonder they want to get this vote over with as soon as humanly possible.

At the very least, when the dems question kavanaugh about his involvement with this, it will be entertaining.

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It would be so easy to just nominate another equally conservative justice without all this baggage, but no, Trump makes another incompetent selection with no vetting and everyone has to go down with the ship. Crazy.

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Kavanaugh was vetted for the GOP's purposes. They wanted him because he's proven he'd do the dirty work, as he did with the Clinton impeachment. (Karma is a total beotch.) I also think the GOP feared a woman appointment might go Sandra Day-O'Connor and turn out a moderate because she connected with women's issues. Totally agree the whole ship might go down. This is going to affect the midterm elections.

Ironically, the missed identify argument screams for a formal investigation by professionals... like FBI.

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Obviously no outside involvement with this conspiracy theory has been proven yet. But wow. The repubublicans simply cannot get out of their own way. No wonder they want to get this vote over with as soon as humanly possible.

At the very least, when the dems question kavanaugh about his involvement with this, it will be entertaining.

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It would be so easy to just nominate another equally conservative justice without all this baggage, but no, Trump makes another incompetent selection with no vetting and everyone has to go down with the ship. Crazy.

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Kavanaugh was vetted for the GOP's purposes. They wanted him because he's proven he'd do the dirty work, as he did with the Clinton impeachment. (Karma is a total beotch.) I also think the GOP feared a woman appointment might go Sandra Day-O'Connor and turn out a moderate because she connected with women's issues. Totally agree the whole ship might go down. This is going to affect the midterm elections.

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Actually I believe it's been reported that McConnell did not want Kavanaugh as the nominee, because he was worried about his long paper trail, having worked for Ken Starr and then in the Bush Administration. Trump picked him anyway. Turns out that maybe wasn't exactly the thing to be worried about, but McConnell was right about Kavanaugh having too much baggage.

McConnell is a sleazeball but he knows how the senate works and who will have problems. Any way, my take is the hardline GOP wanted a lock-down conservative who won't flip or go moderate like Kennedy. He effectively kept the SC balanced by not going 100% hardline conservative. Kavanaugh proved he'd do the nasty stuff.

McConnell must be so f'ing pissed right now.

In terms of pure winning and losing, McConnell has played this so perfectly. And now he's so close to the finish line and trump f'ed him over by choosing kavanaugh.

Now everything's up for grabs, including the senate.

And if the senate flips and kavanaugh fails, don't be surprised if the next dem president is the one to fill this seat. And during the confirmation voting, every dem chants "remember the garland!!!" as they make their vote.

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Obviously no outside involvement with this conspiracy theory has been proven yet. But wow. The repubublicans simply cannot get out of their own way. No wonder they want to get this vote over with as soon as humanly possible.

At the very least, when the dems question kavanaugh about his involvement with this, it will be entertaining.

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It would be so easy to just nominate another equally conservative justice without all this baggage, but no, Trump makes another incompetent selection with no vetting and everyone has to go down with the ship. Crazy.

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Kavanaugh was vetted for the GOP's purposes. They wanted him because he's proven he'd do the dirty work, as he did with the Clinton impeachment. (Karma is a total beotch.) I also think the GOP feared a woman appointment might go Sandra Day-O'Connor and turn out a moderate because she connected with women's issues. Totally agree the whole ship might go down. This is going to affect the midterm elections.

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Actually I believe it's been reported that McConnell did not want Kavanaugh as the nominee, because he was worried about his long paper trail, having worked for Ken Starr and then in the Bush Administration. Trump picked him anyway. Turns out that maybe wasn't exactly the thing to be worried about, but McConnell was right about Kavanaugh having too much baggage.

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Too many people on this board are under-rating the Rs capacity to power this through, and to build up their base and suppress enough D votes between now and the mid-terms. Just remember that, how many votes got the current president elected, those votes were for one of the worst people in the country, whom his base adores. One of the Republicans on MSNBC quoted Joe Walsh to explain his relationship with the current Republican Party: "Everybody's so different. I haven't changed." My re-working of Lincoln's famous aphorism: But you can fool enough people enough of the time.

I agree the GOP are nasty motherfcckers and go for the throat. The senate is now in play even if the odds are against the Dems...but they have massive momentum with generational change and the pink wave is really powering the blue wave. (If you want real change, make this an ERA thing...the last civil rights issue.)

One thing I realized a few days ago is the Russians might actually try and help the Dems in the election...and yeah that's freaky. But why? Because getting Dems in both the house and senate would take care of Trump so Putin doesn't have to. The U.S. cleans up the Trump mess, gets rid of him, Putin doesn't have to.

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Boy, the Catholic Church in the US must love the way Mushroom Dick thinks. If that was the majority opinion the Church could have kept the $3 billion it paid out in settlements and jury verdicts in those very stale child rape cases.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-was-sexually-assaulted-heres-why-i-dont-remember-many-of-the-details/2018/09/21/8ce0088c-bdab-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.48d4a482e079

I always enjoy Drew Magary:

https://www.gq.com/story/brett-kavanaugh-and-victimhood

Good read. Straight from the Wing Nut Playbook, #B. In fact they're playing all side of this.

B) Blame the victim, play the victim

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I agree the GOP are nasty motherfcckers and go for the throat. The senate is now in play even if the odds are against the Dems...but they have massive momentum with generational change and the pink wave is really powering the blue wave. (If you want real change, make this an ERA thing...the last civil rights issue.)

One thing I realized a few days ago is the Russians might actually try and help the Dems in the election...and yeah that's freaky. But why? Because getting Dems in both the house and senate would take care of Trump so Putin doesn't have to. The U.S. cleans up the Trump mess, gets rid of him, Putin doesn't have to.

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I'm among those who think that the Russians have things against Trump that are so powerful they essentially make him cower; and the question in my mind that your surmise raises is whether the Russians would prefer that those details not achieve wide currency - my thought being, of course, that the more that is known about this in as much detail as possible the better it would be for our country, in a major way.

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The Ford's can steal the 2004 Furd band's Zamboni and join them in Canada!

Not only is that believable, the idea of escaping and reinvention are very relatable.

The more information that comes out, the more I think Brett Kavanaugh is toast. The GOP totally have misread this. I don't think Mitch the Turtleboy can ram things through now.

The GOP has a major women problem, of their own making...and this is exposing it and a hearing will make it clear to the nation. The GOP can't win on this. Grill Dr. Ford like Anita Hill and they're going to choke on their own misogyny.

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The Ford's can steal the 2004 Furd band's Zamboni and join them in Canada!

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That's a rather glib and callous response when talking about a family's life. It's also not funny.

Yesterday the Washington Post had an article on Kavanaugh's High School buddy, Mark Judge, titled:
"100 kegs or bust". (By Marc Fisher and Perry Stein September 21 at 5:21 PM)

Judge wrote about the pledge he and his friends at the all-male school on Rockville Pike in North Bethesda, Md., made to drink 100 kegs of beer before graduation. On their way to that goal, there was a "disastrous" party "at my house where the place was trashed," Judge wrote in his book "God and Man at Georgetown Prep." Kavanaugh listed himself in the class yearbook as treasurer of the "100 Kegs or Bust" club.

"I'll be the first one to defend guys being guys," Judge wrote in a 2015 article on the website Acculturated. He described a party culture of "drinking and smoking and hooking up." During senior year, Judge said he and his pals hired a stripper and bought a keg for a bachelor party they threw to honor their school's music teacher.
"I drank too much and did stupid things," he said in his memoir.
Judge has written about his Prep years as a time of drunken debauchery. Beach Week, a summertime excursion with classmates, was a nonstop roller coaster of drinking, sexual encounters with girls from other prep schools, blackouts and more drinking. "It was impossible to stop until I was completely annihilated," he wrote.

The San Francisco connection:


Such experiences filled weekends during the school year as well, and on Monday mornings during senior year, the boys would tell their Marriage and Sex teacher, Bernie Ward, about their excesses.
"The drinking was unbelievable," said Ward, who later spent two decades as a radio talk-show host in San Francisco and served six years in federal prison for distributing child pornography. "It was part of the culture. A parent even bought the keg and threw one of the parties for the kids."

Ward, who taught Judge, Kavanaugh and future Supreme Court justice Neil M. Gorsuch in his religion and sexuality courses, said his students "talked plenty about men and women and taking advantage and respect for each other. They took umbrage when I compared their rooting around with girls to dogs in heat. They'd say they were in love, and I'd say, 'Wait a minute then how come you have another girlfriend in two weeks?' We'd have heated arguments."

Judge wrote that he came to view Ward as an example of his school's fall from Catholic orthodoxy and traditional discipline into a New Age emphasis on feelings and liberal notions about faith and politics.

FWIW I had listened to God Talk when I lived in the Bay Area and knew Ward had been a priest. I had been gone from the Bay Area for six years when he made the on-line mistakes in 2005 that cost him his job at KGO and his freedom. It's not hard to imagine that his background at Georgetown Prep exposed him to the kind of pornographic material that cost him his freedom later in life. After all he was teaching underage boys who were admitting to behavior that if photographed would be considered child pornography.

This WP article was posted at 5PM on Friday, after DC had shutdown for the weekend. I can't see how Kavanaugh can deny underage drinking to excess when it continues to be documented by source including his younger self. I for one don't trust wasted teens to have total or accurate recall of events where they were stumbling drunk.

I just wish the republicans could be honest about why they don't want judge to testify

They should just say, "look the dude is a f'ing moron and there's no need for his testimony to turn into a circus. While his private life will be entertaining to hear about, it has no relevance to the allegations and he has no memory of the alleged incident'

Even though I know that's not the real reason they are hiding him, at least that sort of explanation is plausible.

Christine Ford has agreed to be interviewed. One of her requests was to be questioned only by senators. I was wondering why. Now I know.

Apparently the GOP senators want GOP women staff attorneys to question Dr. Ford. Obviously they know 11 older men questioning a woman, in an unfair situation, looks bad...horrible optics, so they want other women to ask the questions, thus shielding them.

All I can say is, what a bunch of hypocritical bullshtt and what a bunch of gutless COWARDS. These guys are United States senators, MAN THE FCCK UP. STOP HIDING BEHIND SKIRTS. This is the epitome of dickless stuffed suits. They deserve a true clown stomping.

The irony of hiding behind women to attack another women for politics is priceless. Way to go GOP. You are the party of Trump.

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Christine Ford has agreed to be interviewed. One of her requests was to be questioned only by senators. I was wondering why. Now I know.

Apparently the GOP senators want GOP women staff attorneys to question Dr. Ford. Obviously they know 11 older men questioning a woman, in an unfair situation, looks bad...horrible optics, so they want other women to ask the questions, thus shielding them.

All I can say is, what a bunch of hypocritical bullshtt and what a bunch of gutless COWARDS. These guys are United States senators, MAN THE FCCK UP. STOP HIDING BEHIND SKIRTS. This is the epitome of dickless stuffed suits. They deserve a true clown stomping.

The irony of hiding behind women to attack another women for politics is priceless. Way to go GOP. You are the party of Trump.

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Proof that they are dammed regardless of whether they question her directly or use female staff attorneys.

AB, to speak your language C@CK B@LLS SH! T ****!

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wifeisafurd said:

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The Ford's can steal the 2004 Furd band's Zamboni and join them in Canada!

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That's a rather glib and callous response when talking about a family's life. It's also not funny.

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You know if Trump is going to dish it out, that he has to take it. Same applies to you guys here.

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Christine Ford has agreed to be interviewed. One of her requests was to be questioned only by senators. I was wondering why. Now I know.

Apparently the GOP senators want GOP women staff attorneys to question Dr. Ford. Obviously they know 11 older men questioning a woman, in an unfair situation, looks bad...horrible optics, so they want other women to ask the questions, thus shielding them.

All I can say is, what a bunch of hypocritical bullshtt and what a bunch of gutless COWARDS. These guys are United States senators, MAN THE FCCK UP. STOP HIDING BEHIND SKIRTS. This is the epitome of dickless stuffed suits. They deserve a true clown stomping.

The irony of hiding behind women to attack another women for politics is priceless. Way to go GOP. You are the party of Trump.

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Actually, there having outside counsel ask questions. Fairly common practice in Senate investigations or hearings. I assume in this case it will undoubtedly be a minority, gay, woman, who is in touch with her feelings and has a background in either prosecuting or defending sexual related claims. I believe she will also question Kav as well. My understanding (which is from NPR os take it with a grain of salt), is that there objection to not having it just Senators asking questions, but no objection to who the outside counsel is. While its obvious that no one is aware of this, the Senate Committee hired investigators led by the outside counsel, and has undertaken an investigation, and has been asking for Ford's cooperation, so there is a basis for asking questions. Also another point of contention is that the outside counsel is demanding Ford go first, which is always the case in trails, where the accuser first provides the accusations; otherwise, there is no parameters for the defense (not that anyone here is concerned about Kav getting an equitable hearing).

Anyway, proceed with your usual rants.

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The Ford's can steal the 2004 Furd band's Zamboni and join them in Canada!

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That's a rather glib and callous response when talking about a family's life. It's also not funny.

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You know if Trump is going to dish it out, that he has to take it. Same applies to you guys here.

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Except it's not us guys here. It's someone who didn't with to even do this.

Whatever happen to the famous Republican family values? What happened to compassionate conservatives?

You're a Trumpkin deplorable if you're using that argument, despite your protest otherwise that you're an indie.

Or do you prefer follower of Mushroom Dick?

Still a bunch of gutless psssies hiding behind skirts. The epitome of weak and spineless.

Any way, proceed with the GOP BJ of Trump and the corruption.

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Still a bunch of gutless psssies hiding behind skirts. The epitome of weak and spineless.

Any way, proceed with the GOP BJ of Trump and the corruption.

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Ummm. I know you are but what am I?

After a nationwide search the Republicans have selected the attorney that will conduct the cross examination of Dr. Ford with regard to the high school conduct of Kavanaugh and Mark Judge:

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After a nationwide search the Republicans have selected the attorney that will conduct the cross examination of Dr. Ford with regard to the high school conduct of Kavanaugh and Mark Judge:

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He's referring to members of the University of Utah athletic teams

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wifeisafurd said:

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The Ford's can steal the 2004 Furd band's Zamboni and join them in Canada!

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That's a rather glib and callous response when talking about a family's life. It's also not funny.

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You know if Trump is going to dish it out, that he has to take it. Same applies to you guys here.

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Except it's not us guys here. It's someone who didn't with to even do this.

Whatever happen to the famous Republican family values? What happened to compassionate conservatives?

You're a Trumpkin deplorable if you're using that argument, despite your protest otherwise that you're an indie.

Or do you prefer follower of Mushroom Dick?

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You guys have been trashing drunken Kav and name calling all though this thread and another thread. He also has a family and career. Suck it up.