Based on everything you've learned in life thus far, what is your feeling here?
If I understand Susan Collins enough, I'm going with her.B.A. Bearacus said:
Based on everything you've learned in life thus far, what is your feeling here?
IF Kavanaugh was drunk and has no recollection of the party it wouldn't be lying.Another Bear said:
Read a quick headline, basically; it's NOT about sex or sexual assault, it's about if Kavanaugh is lying.
This makes sense to me because he can't be prosecuted, it's long gone...but if he's lying then there is a problem because he's up for a SC justice position, highest court in the land, yada, yada.
Also read 200 of Ford's former classmates have penned a letter of support.
She seems highly credible to me and I don't think she is lying. She has a lot to lose by coming forward and she doesn't seem motivated here by fame or money. She does not seem mentally unstable. I believe her like I believed Anita Hill. Does your comment above also apply to Anita Hill?wifeisafurd said:
I have no idea if she is lying, nor do I think anyone here knows.
No. Sane answer as other thread. There were women who claimed the same experiences as Hill (recall this was not about sexual assault but workplace environment (and he asked Hill out)). On a personal note, one of my female law partners at the time had experienced inappropriate comments from Thomas about hookers and strippers (out of context for the conversation) while at Yale law school with Thomas.B.A. Bearacus said:She seems highly credible to me and I don't think she is lying. She has a lot to lose by coming forward and she doesn't seem motivated here by fame or money. She does not seem mentally unstable. I believe her like I believed Anita Hill. Does your comment above also apply to Anita Hill?wifeisafurd said:
I have no idea if she is lying, nor do I think anyone here knows.
She probably gets the wink to do that now that McCain's successor is sitting, assuming everyone else holds firm. Another interesting aspect from a political side is the blue state senators like Mansion who were likely to vote for BK, will no longer be able to do so, which also may have political fall out. If other accusers come forward the GOP made a huge mistake digging-in.Another Bear said:
According the Daily Beast, GOP are playing hardball with the Kavanaugh appointment and there will be no withdrawal...and yet they are at great risk on many levels. I think it's going to blow up in their faces. Susan Collins will fold and vote no on confirmation.
I disagree with a lot of this. "They don't get it" was about the work place.. Hill never accessed Thomas of a sexual attack, as she infers. A rape is entirely different issue, and in my opinion, a far more serious allegation. Thomas was a lossy boss. DK is being accused of a major felony (I appreciate the state of limitations lapsed long ago) Attributing a civil burden of proof seems highly inappropriate, and Hill as a law professor should know better. DK should be allowed to defend himself in the same manner as anyone accused of rape.B.A. Bearacus said:
Anita Hill: How to Get the Kavanaugh Hearings Right
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/opinion/anita-hill-brett-kavanaugh-clarence-thomas.html
I agree with Feinstein. You limit a trial to just the defendant and accuser? Hell noAnarchistbear said:
There is no objective truth here. Kavanaugh and Blasey are all we jurors need to issue a verdict..
While I'm not going to pre-judge the good professor or the good judge, the conduct the professor alleges is more than a drunk grabbing episode. Sound like attempted rape to me.concordtom said:
Kavanaugh should say,
"Hi there, good to see you again, though not under these circumstances. When I was first asked about this, I denied, because I didn't know who or what was being alleged, and I have no recollection of the event, so I was telling the truth then. But now that you've made yourself public, I should add that I DO remember you. However, I do not remember any event along the lines of what you've described. It was 35 years ago and I was 17. If you say I acted inappropriately then, I will not contradict that that was your experience. All I can say is that I do not have any recollection of it, I do not behave that way, it is not familiar to me, yet I'm sorry that you feel I offended you."
Done. Moving on. Vote. Approve.
I do not think anyone is going to hold him accountable for a stupid high school drinking-grabbing episode. Do you?
It does raise the question - if he did do this at 17, is that a disqualifying event?
How many of us have stupid drunken behavior in our background that we would be embarrassed about? I'm not trying to condone attempted raped in the slightest. The super longest term BI'ers will recall I've spoken out against men and the objection of women for years. But I know I'm a different person today than I was at 17, and I imagine Kavanaugh is, too!
That said, I hope Kavanaugh gets bumped, the Dems sweep both houses, and thereafter stall a Kennedy replacement until after 2020 - as revenge for McConnell stalling to infinity the Obama SCOTUS pick!!!! That would be delicious sweet revenge!! F the GOP. They've lost their minds. Implode and don't come back until you've cleansed and reinvented yourselves.
wifeisafurd said:I agree with Feinstein. You limit a trial to just the defendant and accuser? Hell noAnarchistbear said:
There is no objective truth here. Kavanaugh and Blasey are all we jurors need to issue a verdict..
From the district attorney next door - this is fairly accurate. Less than 10% (maybe as low as 2%) of rape allegations are false (don't ask me how she got the numbers). And it usually is teens or somebody with an ulterior motive (e.g., child custody) or mental issues. None of the is present we assume (clearly Prof Ford is no longer a teen). But all this so-called analysis is also based on a letter from a woman this author doesn't know, and just makes assumptions about. Prof Ford is represented by counsel with an known agenda and the letter was put forward via a Stanford law professor, both lawyers that possibly had input into how the letter read (if attorney didn't provide input, that could be malpractice), and who would know how to write-up a credible rape claim. There seems to be rush to judgment before we hear what Prof. Ford and Judge Kavanuagh have to actually say (and I would say any other relevant witnesses, but apparently that isn't going to be the case for reasons I could speculate upon).Another Bear said:
This is a good read. The short of it: false rape accusations tend to dramatic and lurid, with crazy details. The Kavanaugh case is not that. The statements by Ford seem rather bland. Another feature is false accusers often have a criminal history. Also noted, false accusations are RARE, which makes sense given most rapes are not reported.
I've studied false rape claims. The accusation against Kavanaugh doesn't fit the profile.
Okay, that would be more evidentiary and I get your point here. It would add up and paint a poor image of him.Another Bear said:
Seems to me the reason why the GOP want to limit it to Kavanaugh and Ford is so Brett's wingman, Mark Judge, won't speak. His published accounts of prep school drunkenness includes the character "Bart O'Kavanaugh". If Judge testifies, it will become a full 3 ring circus with the finale being the public flogging of Brett Kavanaugh.