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1:29p, 2/27/19
What would the response be if Cohen said in response to a question: "Congressman, why don't you take a couple of deep breaths and try to compose yourself so that you can ask your questions in a non hysterical, calm and professional tone of voice."
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In reply to bearister • 1:59p, 2/27/19
bearister said:
What would the response be if Cohen said in response to a question: "Congressman, why don't you take a couple of deep breaths and try to compose yourself so that you can ask your questions in a non hysterical, calm and professional tone of voice."
There's no way you're suggesting with a straight face that the Dems run hearings with composure, calmness and professionalism.

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2:04p, 2/27/19
I have no problem with those being rudely questioned by Democrats saying the same thing. However, in the interests of avoiding false equivalence, please give me the names of Democratic legislators that have engaged in conduct like Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes to frustrate an ongoing investigation, and give examples of the offending conduct.
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2:22p, 2/27/19
Powerful ending there by Mr. Cummings.
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2:30p, 2/27/19
Can the conservatives on here at least agree that Nixon should not have been compelled to step down? I will assume that you would have preferred that he served his full term.
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In reply to bearlyamazing • 2:31p, 2/27/19
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Typical Dem BS games with this process:

As the hearing began Wednesday, North Carolina Republican Rep. Mark Meadows interrupted to say Cohen's prepared testimony was not received by the committee 24 hours in advance in violation of committee rules, calling for a postponement of the hearing.

"Committee rules require witnesses to provide their testimony to Congress 24 hours in advance of a hearing. We know that rule was intentionally violated, as an adviser of Mr. Cohen's felt the need to go on CNN last night and explicitly state his suggestion that Mr. Cohen 'hold his statement' as long as possible 'so the other side can't chew it up,'" Meadows said. "Lo and behold, we didn't get Mr. Cohen's statement till 11:00 p.m. last night and didn't receive any of the 'evidence' until this morning."

"It was an intentional effort by this witness and his advisers to once again show his disdain for this body."

Jordan, the ranking member on the committee, added: "CNN had it before we didthey had the exhibits before we did," Jordan said, later adding that "this is the first time a convicted perjurer has been brought back to be a star witness in a hearing."

Cummings admitted the committee received the testimony "late last night." The Democratic-controlled committee voted to reject the GOP call to postpone.

Is that the thing that caused you the most concern? If so, that's bizarre.

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2:36p, 2/27/19
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.

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In reply to blungld • 2:46p, 2/27/19
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.
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In reply to bearlyamazing • 2:58p, 2/27/19
bearlyamazing said:
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.
Why would he need to call for Hillary to provide her tax returns? She provided 35+ years of returns. Are you allergic to facts?
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 3:04p, 2/27/19
Unit2Sucks said:
bearlyamazing said:
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.
Why would he need to call for Hillary to provide her tax returns? She provided 35+ years of returns. Are you allergic to facts?
If you think the Clinton Foundation's financial dealings were on the up and up, you're more than allergic to facts. Their financial scumbaggery dwarfs any potential small potatoes undervaluing of real estate holdings for tax purposes and other irrelevant nonsense Trump's tax returns potentially contain. And his business dealings hardly compromised our country like the Clinton's pay for play scam.
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In reply to bearlyamazing • 3:08p, 2/27/19
bearlyamazing said:
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.
It's always, "But Hillary".
When are you guys going to simply deal with what's right in front of your nose?
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In reply to bearlyamazing • 3:09p, 2/27/19
bearlyamazing said:
Unit2Sucks said:
bearlyamazing said:
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.
Why would he need to call for Hillary to provide her tax returns? She provided 35+ years of returns. Are you allergic to facts?
If you think the Clinton Foundation's financial dealings were on the up and up, you're more than allergic to facts. Their financial scumbaggery dwarfs any potential small potatoes undervaluing of real estate holdings for tax purposes and other irrelevant nonsense Trump's tax returns potentially contain. And his business dealings hardly compromised our country like the Clinton's pay for play scam.
You just asked to see her tax returns, all of which have been provided. If there were irregularities, do you really think the republicans who have devoted the last 30 years to disparaging the Clintons wouldn't have mentioned them at some point?

So what was your point in asking blungld whether he had asked for Clinton to release tax returns given that all of her returns since 1977 have been released?
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In reply to B.A. Bearacus • 3:10p, 2/27/19
B.A. Bearacus said:
Can the conservatives on here at least agree that Nixon should not have been compelled to step down? I will assume that you would have preferred that he served his full term.
Conservatives today will yield nothing, even after Trump is sent away. They will continue to sit on their hands and deny Trump was bad. The thing is, Trump has brutalized the GOP and after he's done, the GOP will be pulverized, chopped in little pieces and done. Look how many GOP have retired and are going to retire.

The GOP and conservatives are going down with the SS Trump.
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In reply to bearlyamazing • 3:13p, 2/27/19
bearlyamazing said:
Unit2Sucks said:
bearlyamazing said:
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.
Why would he need to call for Hillary to provide her tax returns? She provided 35+ years of returns. Are you allergic to facts?
If you think the Clinton Foundation's financial dealings were on the up and up, you're more than allergic to facts. Their financial scumbaggery dwarfs any potential small potatoes undervaluing of real estate holdings for tax purposes and other irrelevant nonsense Trump's tax returns potentially contain. And his business dealings hardly compromised our country like the Clinton's pay for play scam.
Yo, yo, yo...slow da roll young fella. Hillary is GONE. Bill is GONE. Barrack is GONE.

It's all on Dotard L'Orange and the GOP. Typical Wing Nut arguement...bring up the Clintons because they have nothing else but TREASON, Russkie interference and the Trump Crime Family.

Now howsabout wrapping thee in the American flag and twirling around a few times!!! Go you boy!
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In reply to blungld • 3:16p, 2/27/19
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.

If tRump testified on TV it would be like the old Chappelle skit:




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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 3:47p, 2/27/19
Oh, you mean the Clinton's didn't declare the millions in elicit profits from their scam foundation with millions and millions in contributions from foreign interests that compromised our country's security? Nothing on Scolcovo, giving away our military secrets to Russia? I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I TELL YOU!

You jokers' wet dream about Trump's treason is comical considering the lengths the Obama and Clinton camps and their corrupt DOJ and upper level FBI have gone to try and implicate and entrap Trump and anyone peripherally associated with him in the big Russia scam.

Have you people no shame? Or have you been living in blissful ignorance for the last few years about everything that's been going on by getting all your news by only leftist sources?

Details on these things are available in copious volume from a combination of liberal and conservative sources if you choose to take your heads out of the sand.

And anotherbear, if there's a more pompous, smarmy political truth denier out there than you, I'm glad I don't know them. You're a real piece of work.

I'm sorry to rain on y'all's ridiculous lefty echo chamber in here but man, have some integrity people. You're Cal grads. I know it makes your heads explode to have any contradictory discussion around these parts.

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In reply to bearlyamazing • 3:58p, 2/27/19
bearlyamazing said:
blungld said:
I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.
Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newstalkflorida.com/featured/gops-fear-loathing-hillary-clinton-cost-100-million/amp/

If the Dems were given the equivalent time and money to investigate the tRump Crime Family that was spent by Republicans investigating the Clintons, Ivanka would have her own womens' prison reality TV show by now (inspired by the Chained Heat franchise), and tRump, tRump Lite and Jared would have mascara on and going by the prison names Buns, Sweet Lips and Slim in the exercise yard at either Attica or Leavenworth, depending on state or federal jurisdiction.

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4:01p, 2/27/19
Notice the pattern of the argument. Paraphrasing:

blungld: we need Trump's tax returns, given obvious risk of compromised situation with his business ventures and foreign organized crime/oligarch influence.

bearlyamazing: you never demanded Hilary's tax returns!
{Never play defense/Control the conversation - accuse and force a reaction - change the subject to something that Republicans are more unified around which is that Hilary is bad, even though she is long gone and never was President. Bait as bad argument since of course Clinton's tax returns are released and she is long gone anyway and irrelevant to current situation}.

Unit2Sucks: Hilary Clinton already released all her tax returns. Are you allergic to facts?
{Totally accurate, but bearlyamazing has partially succeeded in changing the subject with his bad argument above}.

bearlyamazing: If you don't think Clinton engaged in horrible shady activities which greatly damaged the US, then you are the one that is allergic to facts.
{Never play defense/Control the conversation - accuse and force a reaction - position completely shifted, pivoting only on the word "allergic." No substantiation provided for claims - Hilary already heavily investigated. But he has successfully changed the subject to a ground (Hilary's alleged shadiness) where 2 sides will never agree and he can appear strong and aggressive, safely away from obvious, pressing matter at hand.}

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In reply to OneKeg • 4:04p, 2/27/19
OneKeg said:
Notice the pattern of the argument. Paraphrasing:

blungld: we need Trump's tax returns, given obvious risk of compromised situation with his business ventures and foreign organized crime/oligarch influence.

bearlyamazing: you never demanded Hilary's tax returns!
{Never play defense/Control the conversation - accuse and force a reaction - change the subject to something that Republicans are more unified around which is that Hilary is bad, even though she is long gone and never was President. Bait as bad argument since of course Clinton's tax returns are released and she is long gone anyway and irrelevant to current situation}.

Unit2Sucks: Hilary Clinton already released all her tax returns. Are you allergic to facts?
{Totally accurate, but bearlyamazing has partially succeeded in changing the subject with his bad argument above}.

bearlyamazing: If you don't think Clinton engaged in horrible shady activities which greatly damaged the US, then you are the one that is allergic to facts.
{Never play defense/Control the conversation - accuse and force a reaction - position completely shifted, pivoting only on the word "allergic." No substantiation provided for claims - Hilary already heavily investigated. But he has successfully changed the subject to a ground (Hilary's alleged shadiness) where 2 sides will never agree and he can appear strong and aggressive, safely away from obvious, pressing matter at hand.}


The Church employs the same diversionary defense tactic when discussing the clergy child rape crisis:

Pope Francis:
"Citing data, he said that the majority of cases arose within families and that the perpetrators of abuse were "primarily parents, relatives, husbands of child brides and teachers". He also said that online pornography and sex tourism amplified the issue."
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In reply to bearlyamazing • 4:05p, 2/27/19
It's not the contradictory dscussion that we have a problem with. It's that you post something irrelevant and, upon your return, you don't reply to other posters' puzzlement about possible tie-ins to this hearing. How did you survive Cal without addressing the topic at hand? I'm assuming you had to write papers. Did you give them the title "What about Hillary"?

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Are you saying that because you don't think Hillary was investigated a sufficient number of times, the smoke billowing from Trump's camp should be ignored?
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4:05p, 2/27/19
So it looks like Cohen provided a blueprint for Mueller to indict Trump, Stone, and at least Donald Jr. Cohen says he was in Trump's office when the secretary put through a call from Stone. Cohen indicates that Stone advised Trump that he had talked to Assange of Wikileaks and had been informed that they would be releasing emails obtained by Russian intelligence through hacking. This is in direct contrast to statements that Stone, Trump, and Donald Jr. made to investigators and Congress.

Cohen also has provided testimony & documentation to corroborate the payments to various women in an effort to prevent information from coming out during the election which could have hurt his chances for election. The campaign finance issue has Pecker and others scrambling to make plea deals so they don't have to spend time in prison for lying to investigators

Cohen has given investigators a list of names that the committee should bring in and at the top of that list is Allen Weisselberg, the Trump accountant. Not only can Weisselberg be brought in, but so can his staff who can be used to corroborate any testimony that Weisselberg gives. I have always thought that Weisselberg was the guy that knew where all the bodies were buried.

Trump's long time secretary has also got to be used as a witness to provide evidence on the timing and content of discussions that were had between Trump and various players in this mess.

Last but not least the final discussion between Trump and Cohen is being investigated. I would have to think that a pardon was offered and that given Cohen's recording of people, he may have recorded that conversation and that evidence is with Mueller and various other legal entities.

You can say what you want about Cohen, but when there there are documents and recordings which support his assertions and other witness testimony which further corroborates his testimony, it does look good for those in the Trump orbit.

Mueller already knows.
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4:08p, 2/27/19
bearlyamazing - so if you don't think the Clinton tax returns would show the "elicit" (you might want to look that one up) behavior you are sure she is up to (but has never been provent, despite umpteen congressional investigations), why did you ask if blungld had asked for the tax returns? Which, just to remind you, she had already released.

Your hysterical rant notwithstanding, I'm genuinely curious why you asked the question. What were you hoping to accomplish with that question? Was it just a jumping off point so you could go off on a tangent?
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4:17p, 2/27/19
Kim Jong un today in Vietnam:

"I'm not sure I feel comfortable negotiating at arm's length with an unindicted felon."



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4:18p, 2/27/19
HAHAHAHA.... bearlyamazing can't address anything about Trump so he talks about the Clintons.

For fcck sake...there's a freakin' full Trump shtt storm out there and you bring up old news. Utter bullshtt and just like the script...

FYI, here's the Wing Nut Playbook in outline. What will the next move be? Already trying to distract and move the goalposts...because he can't argue on topic. My guess is victim crap.

Wing Nut Playbook:
A) Distract, deflect, move the goal posts
B) Blame the victim, play the victim
C) Lie, disinformation, make **** up
D) Divide, sow division and hate
E) Attack, attack, ATTACK
F) Rinse, repeat
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4:43p, 2/27/19
BearlyAmazing:

I have never understood the GOP fascination with trying to skewer Hillary.

Would you please present me with the evidence to match the accusations.

Thank you.
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In reply to bearister • 4:47p, 2/27/19
bearister said:
Kim Jong un today in Vietnam:

"I'm not sure I feel comfortable negotiating at arm's length with an unindicted felon."



Look at the guy behind Kim staring at the camera.
He looks like he's is thinking the photographer is about to shoot the premier with his camera.
"Hmmm, is that a real camera?"
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5:23p, 2/27/19
God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?
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In reply to Kovy • 5:29p, 2/27/19
Kovy said:
God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?
Facts.
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In reply to Kovy • 5:35p, 2/27/19
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How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?


Probably the same way people like you reconcile your support for Trump with the fact that his closest professional and personal associates are all going to jail for multiple felonies. Do you still believe he hires the "best"? Did you believe him when his "best" we're guys like Manafort, Cohen, Stone and Sater?
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5:37p, 2/27/19
The keyboards in Moscow be smokin' tonight.

Benghazi! Wait for it ...
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In reply to Kovy • 5:37p, 2/27/19
Kovy said:
God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

The Republicans are party over Country so the Senate will never impeach him. He will never lose any votes from his base because they are evil or ignorant. No member of the tRump Crime Family will ever be convicted in a criminal proceeding because at least one juror will be a tRumpist willing to engage in jury nullification and refuse to convict. tRump may well win again in 2020 if the Democratic Party fractures and Bernie supporter type crybabies refuse to vote for the nominee because their candidate didn't get the nomination. However, in the words of Jack Reacher:

"That's the problem with denial. Reality doesn't care what you think. It just keeps rolling along."

..and the realty is that all members of the tRump Crime Family are bad human beings and they will get their just rewards sooner or later because as we have all learned, Karma is a b@tch.
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5:54p, 2/27/19
37 indicted, 6 convicted, several going to jail...and still not done.

People who think nothing comes of this, Russia, Trump, etc...have their head up their ass living off farts and dingleberries.
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6:19p, 2/27/19
Aoc came off extremely well. Either she's smarter than I originally gave her credit for, or she has an amazing staff (possibly both)

And let's just have Elijah Cummings run for president and be done with it.
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6:30p, 2/27/19
Watching a bit of Hannity until I get to the point of throwing up in my mouth. Hannity attack dogging the Dems as predictable but being easy on Cohen and portraying him as a victim being exploited by the Dems and who has suffered a lot.
I couldn't figure it out until my wife reminded me that Cohen represented Hannity. Hannity knows Cohen has the goods on him.
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6:38p, 2/27/19


Evidence you say? Okay then,here's the check Cohen presented from Trump to pay off some of the hush money to Stormy Daniels...after Trump's inauguration.
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