Actually if you read the letter and comprehended it, Mueller did not clear Trump of obstruction, decided not to issue a traditional prosecution judgment, instead leaving no conclusion but laying details on both sides. There's a mechanicism of removing some info that has to happen first. Seems like fence sitting.

"While this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

It will be difficult to get Trump on obstruction charges but it's possible. It will be difficult to prove but also the 2 year gaslighting project on the American public has done its job: muddled the fact, put into question law and order and just worn people down. The campaign of lies and taling sh*t has worked but the fallout is American politics are serveredly damage, including world standing and allies.

The critical question is, who benefits from this?

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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Gotta admit that Trump and the people he surrounded himself with come off looking good after all this.

One of the keys to being a great leader is surrounding yourself with good people, as Trump is proving.

Looking good for gaming the system, gaslighting the public and just outright LYING? They might have "won" for their side but they screwed American democracy and world standing. Winning might look good but pulling sh*t never looks good. This was party over country stuff.

Is it safe yet for those of pretending they won't vote for DT in 2020 to just admit that that's exactly what they will do?

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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You realize that Mueller offered no conclusions about obstruction, right?

I had no expectation about collusion. The more we learned the more it seemed like the Trump team was not organized enough to actively collude on anything.

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"While this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

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I'm fairly disappointed how mueller phrased the above. As I believe it does the country more harm than good. He really needed to make a determination here (like he made a determination with collusion) one way or the other.

Either indict (or say there's enough evidence to indict). Or say that there is not sufficient evidence to indict.

Instead, he's basically lebron and he just passed the ball to dellevadova at the buzzer in game 7.

He's knows this case better than anyone. He's been living this for 22 months. He's in the best position to make a call. So be a man and make a ******* call, even if it's for exoneration.

By not making a call, you're now allowing politicians to essentially make the call. Which is bad for everyone.

Wait.....Hillary Clinton lost!!!

That's what I meant by fence sitting. Harsher words is he decided to look the other way and "fcck it".

I'm sure he did everything by the book...except issue a prosecution position, which means he didn't do it all by the book. Oh sure, he probably rationalized he wanted to remain neutral but this is NOT a normal situation. Bigger issues are at stake and this is why the public is suspicious of the FBI and law enforcement. They seem to want to have it both ways...stay neutral on this...but spend $30m on investigating Hillary's email.

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That's what I meant by fence sitting. Harsher words is he decided to look the other way and "fcck it".

I'm sure he did everything by the book...except issue a prosecution position, which means he didn't do it all by the book. Oh sure, he probably rationalized he wanted to remain neutral but this is NOT a normal situation. Bigger issues are at stake and this is why the public is suspicious of the FBI and law enforcement. They seem to want to have it both ways...stay neutral on this...but spend $30m on investigating Hillary's email.

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It definitely reeks of "yeah I probably have enough evidence to indict, but I don't want to be the one who has to deal with the blowback if I'm the one to do it"

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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You realize that Mueller offered no conclusions about obstruction, right?

I had no expectation about collusion. The more we learned the more it seemed like the Trump team was not organized enough to actively collude on anything.

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Mueller didn't, but Barr and Rosenstein did. Give it up. You lost.

Come on guys. This is the State Police investigating the State. If 600,000 Iraquis and 5000 Americans can die in a phony war with no consequences and bankers can loot an entire economy with no consequences do you really think anyone is being punished for some Facebook posts

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It's very hard for the Dems to admit "We lost."

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So for you and the GOP it's party over country. Gotcha.

America first...MAGA!

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It's very hard for the Dems to admit "We lost."

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George Conway is a Republican, you idiot.

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Traitors and Russians don't care. Give Conway credit as one of the only Republicans with a pair. Everyone else has been drinking Trump's pee.

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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You realize that Mueller offered no conclusions about obstruction, right?

I had no expectation about collusion. The more we learned the more it seemed like the Trump team was not organized enough to actively collude on anything.

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Mueller didn't, but Barr and Rosenstein did. Give it up. You lost.

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THIS is exactly why mueller needed to make a call.

Republicans will say, no obstruction, Barr said so.

Other dems will look at the evidence (which I'm fairly confident will be released eventually) and will say, "look, clear obstruction"

And it'll just be more partisan bickering.

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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That is a pretty ugly take.

Shouldn't any happiness you feel be that the system worked or that charges you were concerned about (or not) seem to be untrue. But no, make it about winning and attacking Liberals.

The letter states that is does not exonerate the president so let's be clear. I am glad that the president did not collude with Russia. I am still very suspect about his behaviors and associates. And the facts that HAVE come out are very upsetting and unAmerican.

Can you stop the tribal win/lose mentality?

On the plus side, while I really wish this tribal crap would stop now...it probably won't, so just use the crap in the 2020 election against the GOP.

The House Dems will investigate Trump and drag him and the GOP through the mud, the sh*t, the snow...and through the toilet...and it will injure them. The declaration that the GOP have won is pretty far fetched. They avoided Mueller but there's still plenty go after Trump with.

On that note, sadly I think hell is going to break loose...and that might be playing right into the Russians hands. That's the objectionable part but hey GOP, we're in so bring out the knives and anything else you got. if you think you've seen radialization and socialism before...you're in for a surprise. This crap just solidified two whole generations.

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George Conway is a Republican, you idiot.

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I wasn't referring to Conway, genius. I was referring to Nadler. Got it now?

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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That is a pretty ugly take.

Shouldn't any happiness you feel be that the system worked or that charges you were concerned about (or not) seem to be untrue. But no, make it about winning and attacking Liberals.

The letter states that is does not exonerate the president so let's be clear. I am glad that the president did not collude with Russia. I am still very suspect about his behaviors and associates. And the facts that HAVE come out are very upsetting and unAmerican.

Can you stop the tribal win/lose mentality?

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Why don't you follow your own advice? Read my post again. I said nothing about liberals, nor did I attack them. By the way, the letter from Barr does clear Trump of obstruction and collusion. Read it again.

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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You realize that Mueller offered no conclusions about obstruction, right?

I had no expectation about collusion. The more we learned the more it seemed like the Trump team was not organized enough to actively collude on anything.

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Mueller didn't, but Barr and Rosenstein did. Give it up. You lost.

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They decided "not enough evidence." Not quite the same as what you said.

"You lost" is the kind of language that makes it impossible to discuss these things. This should be about knowing the truth, not winning or losing.

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I have no idea but the Clinton email investigation didn't indict or convict anyone.

Mueller has indicted 34, convicted 6...and is going to send away a few folks to prison.

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There never was a chance they would convict anyone. That's kind of the problem, isn't it.

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6 > 0

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So for you and the GOP it's party over country. Gotcha.

America first...MAGA!

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The party's not over because the Dems in Congress will continue their temper tantrum until they realize it's costing them the election in 2020. Schiff, Nadler, Schumer, and Pelosi are making fools out of themselves, which is perfectly fine with me. I hope they keep it up.

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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You realize that Mueller offered no conclusions about obstruction, right?

I had no expectation about collusion. The more we learned the more it seemed like the Trump team was not organized enough to actively collude on anything.

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Mueller didn't, but Barr and Rosenstein did. Give it up. You lost.

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They decided "not enough evidence." Not quite the same as what you said.

"You lost" is the kind of language that makes it impossible to discuss these things. This should be about knowing the truth, not winning or losing.

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Not enough evidence pretty well says it all, doesn't it. To me that's an unequivocal conclusion.

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No collusion. No obstruction. Trump is completely vindicated and Democrats have egg all over their faces. Sad day for all the Trump haters.

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You realize that Mueller offered no conclusions about obstruction, right?

I had no expectation about collusion. The more we learned the more it seemed like the Trump team was not organized enough to actively collude on anything.

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Mueller didn't, but Barr and Rosenstein did. Give it up. You lost.

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They decided "not enough evidence." Not quite the same as what you said.

"You lost" is the kind of language that makes it impossible to discuss these things. This should be about knowing the truth, not winning or losing.

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Not enough evidence pretty well says it all, doesn't it. To me that's an unequivocal conclusion.

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It says that if more evidence emerges then the conclusion might change, but it's not there now. Anything more is getting ahead of yourself.

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George Conway is a Republican, you idiot.

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I wasn't referring to Conway, genius. I was referring to Nadler. Got it now?

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And yet you posted Conway's tweet...GENIUS. Oh wait, right GOP logic...I post and refer to one thing but mean something else. "Truth is not truth!"

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So for you and the GOP it's party over country. Gotcha.

America first...MAGA!

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The party's not over because the Dems in Congress will continue their temper tantrum until they realize it's costing them the election in 2020. Schiff, Nadler, Schumer, and Pelosi are making fools out of themselves, which is perfectly fine with me. I hope they keep it up.

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When you state there are losers between the Dems and GOP, you're taking party over country because none of this is good for the country...unless you're a Russian.

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George Conway is a Republican, you idiot.

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I wasn't referring to Conway, genius. I was referring to Nadler. Got it now?

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And yet you posted Conway's tweet...GENIUS. Oh wait, right GOP logic...I post and refer to one thing but mean something else. "Truth is not truth!"

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You have a vision problem, amigo. Nadler's post was shown above Conway's. But since you've never cared about "truth", you failed to acknowledge that.

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George Conway is a Republican, you idiot.

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I wasn't referring to Conway, genius. I was referring to Nadler. Got it now?

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And yet you posted Conway's tweet...GENIUS. Oh wait, right GOP logic...I post and refer to one thing but mean something else. "Truth is not truth!"

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You have a vision problem, amigo. Nadler's post was shown above Conway's. But since you've never cared about "truth", you failed to acknowledge that.

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You still posted and quoted Conway, dingbat. Adios...enjoy the golden showers! Just hope Putin doesn't pee in your eye.

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So for you and the GOP it's party over country. Gotcha.

America first...MAGA!

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The party's not over because the Dems in Congress will continue their temper tantrum until they realize it's costing them the election in 2020. Schiff, Nadler, Schumer, and Pelosi are making fools out of themselves, which is perfectly fine with me. I hope they keep it up.

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When you state there are losers between the Dems and GOP, you're taking party over country because none of this is good for the country...unless you're a Russian.

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I agree completely that none of this is good for the country. So why do the Dems insist that this saga be continued with further Congressional investigations, etc.? Taking party over country is not my problem, but it seems to be the problem with most of the posters in this thread, whose hate for Trump seems to transcend their love of country.

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Hahaha...GOLDEN SHOWERS FOR ALL!!! Okay, only for the Golden people and GOP!

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George Conway is a Republican, you idiot.

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I wasn't referring to Conway, genius. I was referring to Nadler. Got it now?

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And yet you posted Conway's tweet...GENIUS. Oh wait, right GOP logic...I post and refer to one thing but mean something else. "Truth is not truth!"

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You have a vision problem, amigo. Nadler's post was shown above Conway's. But since you've never cared about "truth", you failed to acknowledge that.

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You still posted and quoted Conway, dingbat. Adios...enjoy the golden showers! Just hope Putin doesn't pee in your eye.

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I did not quote Conway, but, again, due to your visual acuity problem you failed to notice that. You need to grow up and stop calling other posters names. It speaks to your lack of maturity.

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You just proved my point. Thank you.

From Axios:

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Mueller and Trump contradict each other on obstruction of justice

In his first public statement since Attorney General Bill Barr's summary of the Mueller report was released, President Trump tweeted: "No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!"

Reality check: Barr wrote in his summary that while Mueller's report "does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." Barr later wrote that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein concluded that the evidence "is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense" meaning that it was Trump's top two appointees at the Justice Department, not Mueller, who came to that conclusion.

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