people are now breaking into stores that are closed.
its too many hungry and poor people. **** is about to get really ugly.
its too many hungry and poor people. **** is about to get really ugly.
After a few prison sentences -- aka 3 strikes law -- yes. You give every individual in society a few chances -- after that you throw away the prison cell key. You don't play merry go around with repeat offenders. There are people committing more severe crimes than illegally occupying public property that have a rap sheet a mile long and convictions a mile long who continue to be let out in society. Enough. Why? Because the people who are subjected to this and victims of these offenders are often those least likely with the means to separate themselves form this.UrsaMajor said:So are you suggesting life sentences for being homeless?GBear4Life said:They won't be. That's the point. If they're mentally healthy, what do you mean reintegrate them into society? That's on them. Left wingers treat drug addicts like minorities: weak, invariably co-dependent.Professor Harold Hill said:Until they're off the meth. Then you have to figure out how to reintegrate without them repeating the cycle.GBear4Life said:Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another.Professor Harold Hill said:At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.GBear4Life said:Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.Professor David Romer said:I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.GBear4Life said:So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?Professor David Romer said:You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.GBear4Life said:
Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?
Typical left-wing narcissist
No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...
In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.
As for a prison "of one sort or another," there's already a model for that: Germany in the 30's - 40's.
I suppose we should add Jews, gays, gypsies, and the disabled. And Japanese, of course.GBear4Life said:After a few prison sentences -- aka 3 strikes law -- yes. You give every individual in society a few chances -- after that you throw away the prison cell key. You don't play merry go around with repeat offenders. There are people committing more severe crimes than illegally occupying public property that have a rap sheet a mile long and convictions a mile long who continue to be let out in society. Enough. Why? Because the people who are subjected to this and victims of these offenders are often those least likely with the means to separate themselves form this.UrsaMajor said:So are you suggesting life sentences for being homeless?GBear4Life said:They won't be. That's the point. If they're mentally healthy, what do you mean reintegrate them into society? That's on them. Left wingers treat drug addicts like minorities: weak, invariably co-dependent.Professor Harold Hill said:Until they're off the meth. Then you have to figure out how to reintegrate without them repeating the cycle.GBear4Life said:Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another.Professor Harold Hill said:At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.GBear4Life said:Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.Professor David Romer said:I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.GBear4Life said:So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?Professor David Romer said:You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.GBear4Life said:
Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?
Typical left-wing narcissist
No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...
In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.
As for a prison "of one sort or another," there's already a model for that: Germany in the 30's - 40's.
It's easy for a left-wing narcissist to parade around cloaked in empathy in a clean suburb when they score the prestige from the virtue signaling as they victimize communities they claim to care about.
I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
So you're making this a race thing now? Cool beans dude.UrsaMajor said:I suppose we should add Jews, gays, gypsies, and the disabled. And Japanese, of course.GBear4Life said:After a few prison sentences -- aka 3 strikes law -- yes. You give every individual in society a few chances -- after that you throw away the prison cell key. You don't play merry go around with repeat offenders. There are people committing more severe crimes than illegally occupying public property that have a rap sheet a mile long and convictions a mile long who continue to be let out in society. Enough. Why? Because the people who are subjected to this and victims of these offenders are often those least likely with the means to separate themselves form this.UrsaMajor said:So are you suggesting life sentences for being homeless?GBear4Life said:They won't be. That's the point. If they're mentally healthy, what do you mean reintegrate them into society? That's on them. Left wingers treat drug addicts like minorities: weak, invariably co-dependent.Professor Harold Hill said:Until they're off the meth. Then you have to figure out how to reintegrate without them repeating the cycle.GBear4Life said:Correct. I agree. So you segregate them from the community -- with a prison of one form or another.Professor Harold Hill said:At the point where you're living homeless in the city, you've abandoned your right to choose. You're a public nuisance and a health hazard.GBear4Life said:Involuntary "rehab" is a form of "prison". Morever the naive assumption that they all want help. IF they wanted help, there are resources they can access voluntarily. But they have rules. And you have to want help.Professor David Romer said:I'd say the number of meth head squatting in front of houses is fairly low.GBear4Life said:So if it's not a problem YOU deal with it either doesn't exist or isn't a "problem"?Professor David Romer said:You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.GBear4Life said:
Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?
Typical left-wing narcissist
No crack heads where I live, but I did live in SF for 4 years...
In the city? Different situation. Best solution? Arrest them, send them to some place to get off meth that isn't jail.
As for a prison "of one sort or another," there's already a model for that: Germany in the 30's - 40's.
It's easy for a left-wing narcissist to parade around cloaked in empathy in a clean suburb when they score the prestige from the virtue signaling as they victimize communities they claim to care about.
49k for 3 years at SF State?going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
I am not for forgiving debt. I am for suspending payments which is the main piece of the proposal. I would also be for the government figuring out some way to work with the banks to suspend mortgage payments for those whose jobs are put on hold during the coronavirus. The bottom line is the economy is on pause. If everyone who does not get a pay check during this time period has all of their debts go into default, we are screwed.LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
You financed 50k on the backs of your fellow Americans that you're hoping not to pay back.going4roses said:
GB stop smoking whatever you are smoking
Total cost of attendance per year for SF State living on campus is $27K, Off campus is $28,700. Tuition alone is $7300 per year.GBear4Life said:49k for 3 years at SF State?going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
Who da fuq lives on campus?OaktownBear said:Total cost of attendance per year for SF State living on campus is $27K, Off campus is $28,700. Tuition alone is $7300 per year.GBear4Life said:49k for 3 years at SF State?going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
You guys really don't know how much college costs, do you?
By the way, Berkeley is $35K per year with tuition over $14K
I appreciate your honesty GFR! Very refreshing. As I have said on this board countless times, we vote with our wallets, now don't we? You think sly old Mrs. Warren didn't know this when she brought up student loan forgiveness way back when? Pretty slick.going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
Yet another sane, level-headed, and dare I say center-right position aired by Oaktown.OaktownBear said:I am not for forgiving debt. I am for suspending payments which is the main piece of the proposal. I would also be for the government figuring out some way to work with the banks to suspend mortgage payments for those whose jobs are put on hold during the coronavirus. The bottom line is the economy is on pause. If everyone who does not get a pay check during this time period has all of their debts go into default, we are screwed.LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
I'm not saying pay the debts. I'm saying freeze it now and let them start from this point when the crisis passes.
4000 students there live on campus. Financial aid at pretty much every school is based on cost of attendance which includes room and board. You find it easy to fully support oneself in the bay area with a job you can do while being a full time college student? I would say $21K in room and board in the Bay Area is pretty paltry.GBear4Life said:Who da fuq lives on campus?OaktownBear said:Total cost of attendance per year for SF State living on campus is $27K, Off campus is $28,700. Tuition alone is $7300 per year.GBear4Life said:49k for 3 years at SF State?going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
You guys really don't know how much college costs, do you?
By the way, Berkeley is $35K per year with tuition over $14K
Can we stop lumping tuition with room and board?
Who is entitled to go to school without family to live with?OaktownBear said:4000 students there live on campus. Financial aid at pretty much every school is based on cost of attendance which includes room and board. You find it easy to fully support oneself in the bay area with a job you can do while being a full time college student? I would say $21K in room and board in the Bay Area is pretty paltry.GBear4Life said:Who da fuq lives on campus?OaktownBear said:Total cost of attendance per year for SF State living on campus is $27K, Off campus is $28,700. Tuition alone is $7300 per year.GBear4Life said:49k for 3 years at SF State?going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
You guys really don't know how much college costs, do you?
By the way, Berkeley is $35K per year with tuition over $14K
Can we stop lumping tuition with room and board?
Right wing narcissists are so much better.GBear4Life said:Left-wing narcissists don't care about the adverse impacts of their "virtue" and "compassion" -- because they always adversely impact other people and other communities.LMK5 said:Yes, and when that changes you will change your tune in a Wuhan minute.Professor David Romer said:You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.GBear4Life said:
Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?
I'm curious: do you favor free public K-12 education or do you think that those whose parents can't afford it should not go? What in your view is the difference?GBear4Life said:Who is entitled to go to school without family to live with?OaktownBear said:4000 students there live on campus. Financial aid at pretty much every school is based on cost of attendance which includes room and board. You find it easy to fully support oneself in the bay area with a job you can do while being a full time college student? I would say $21K in room and board in the Bay Area is pretty paltry.GBear4Life said:Who da fuq lives on campus?OaktownBear said:Total cost of attendance per year for SF State living on campus is $27K, Off campus is $28,700. Tuition alone is $7300 per year.GBear4Life said:49k for 3 years at SF State?going4roses said:LMK5 said:I hope you can stand back and see the unfairness in these kinds of proposals GFR. What about the guy who didn't go to college but has personal loan debt? What about the students who used their loans for something other than college tuition (cars, ski trips, etc.)? And most of all, what about the guy who saved like crazy in summer jobs so he wouldn't have to borrow via student loans? What does he get?going4roses said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/senate-democrats-to-cancel-student-loan-payments-and-cancel-10000-in-debt-164550986.html
What is the process by which these politicians go about picking and choosing beneficiaries?
Well I'm super biased. Student loan stands at 49k for 6 semesters at SF State. So anything that helps me become a positive to society vs a negative I'm for it.
You guys really don't know how much college costs, do you?
By the way, Berkeley is $35K per year with tuition over $14K
Can we stop lumping tuition with room and board?
Financial Aid is a racket. Get a job while you go to school. Don't expect to be forgiven cuz you felt entitled to finance an overpriced education
Their narcissism typically manifests in different ways. Not sure which is worse.Go!Bears said:Right wing narcissists are so much better.GBear4Life said:Left-wing narcissists don't care about the adverse impacts of their "virtue" and "compassion" -- because they always adversely impact other people and other communities.LMK5 said:Yes, and when that changes you will change your tune in a Wuhan minute.Professor David Romer said:You need to move to a better neighborhood. Number of drug addicts squatting in front of my house since I bought it equals zero.GBear4Life said:
Let me quit my job, foreclose on my home and squat in front of your house in my own personal meth safe place. And then you go and show me your compassion, ok?
A degree is necessary to "survive"?going4roses said:
Financial aid is racket but it was the only option. for some it's not and they (my classmates work and go to school to "better themselves and make a living wage" ) present tense 7 out of 10 are now not working.
The fact that this system charges one for what is now necessary to survive says more about the dynamics of the financial and political (machine) and the people who gain from it.
right. like when time traveler Dr Evil demanded ransom..going4roses said:
1 billion is not enough
+1going4roses said:
Financial aid is racket but it was the only option. for some it's not and they (my classmates work and go to school to "better themselves and make a living wage" ) present tense 7 out of 10 are now not working.
The fact that this system charges one for what is now necessary to survive says more about the dynamics of the financial and political (machine) and the people who gain from it.
Only option? You just said yourself you could work.UrsaMajor said:+1going4roses said:
Financial aid is racket but it was the only option. for some it's not and they (my classmates work and go to school to "better themselves and make a living wage" ) present tense 7 out of 10 are now not working.
The fact that this system charges one for what is now necessary to survive says more about the dynamics of the financial and political (machine) and the people who gain from it.
The key here is "some schools". The message we are getting at my California JC is that everything will count and everyone who completes the work will get their units and their grade. I have not even heard a whisper of anything different. They do not have a choice. There are 2 million JC students in Ca. Disrupt them and you disrupt a lot of things.going4roses said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/schools-closed-for-coronavirus-online-work-wont-count-11584643049?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/jyjtUGwrzX
Big C said:
That's right heartofthebear, I had almost forgotten. This thread was to discuss the effectiveness of shelter-in-place. Then it got shat upon (but, hey, people digress, I get it).
Yes, I understand we are trying to flatten the curve. I'm wondering if sheltering a bit more rigorously than we have been might be possible (yet still practical), thus flattening the curve even more. For example, Oakland's Lake Merritt the past few afternoons has looked almost like a giant "fun run". It did not look "essential"!
Meanwhile, China (if you can believe them) and S. Korea have pretty much "flat-lined" their curves.