going4roses said:

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https://www.fox13now.com/news/coronavirus/local-coronavirus-news/utah-faces-complete-shutdown-from-covid-19-state-epidemiologist-warns

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If Utah is completely shutdown will anyone else notice?

dimitrig said:

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going4roses said:

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https://www.fox13now.com/news/coronavirus/local-coronavirus-news/utah-faces-complete-shutdown-from-covid-19-state-epidemiologist-warns

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If Utah is completely shutdown will anyone else notice?

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I doubt it will shutdown. If COVID has proven anything, it's that American culture no longer supports the sort of collective action it would take to accomplish meaningful change. We could have done what just about every other country in the world did to attempt to defeat COVID, but it required too much sacrifice.

Tax cuts we can do. Government spending programs - sure. Hundreds of millions of people forgoing instant gratification for a common goal? NFW.

what is strange is that outside Summit County (which has Park City that was hit badly) most of Utah didn't shut down. They basically required masks, social distanced, prohibited gatherings over 10 and closed restaurants except for drive through, but that was it. No real sheltering in place and not a lot of cases outside Summit County. Now they get hit. Go figure. Sorta like first run movies, Utah is the last place they go.

The shape of the economic recovery from the coronavirus matters a lot - Axios


https://www.axios.com/shape-of-economic-recovery-coronavirus-1f6ac717-45b2-40e9-ad42-6b6cdde41f03.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top



The coronavirus surge is real, and it's everywhere - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-surge-map-7714f8d1-5ba1-46f8-9bf3-5d59938f2c95.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


Trump plan to cut federal support for Covid-19 testing sites sparks alarm


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/25/us-coronavirus-testing-sites-federal-support-cut-officials-alarm?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

Two weeks later....

BearChemist said:

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About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

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Here's the deal, Latimer guy: 4 month into this epidemic, all of the countries and regions that relied heavily on HCQ as a primary covid treatment have had very good to excellent results.

In Europe, Greece, Portugal, Russia and Romania have gone all in on HCQ. Greece had excellent results with it and ordered another 5 tons of raw chloroquine from India earlier this month, producing 24 million doses.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/amid-global-controversy-greece-moves-forward-with-chloroquine/articleshow/76300657.cms

Greece, pop, 10 million, 184 total covid deaths. Maybe it's the Kalamata olive oil, much healthier than Tuscan or Spanish olive oil?...


Other countries now relying on HCQ: Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Israel, Iran, Jordan, Portugal, Kenya, Senegal, Chad and the Republic of Congo. Russia, Bahrain, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Thailand, India and Venezuela.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0601/1144783-hydroxychloroquine/


HCQ does have one horrible side effect: it is a generic drug that is dirt cheap to produce.

This side effect has been nearly fatal to that drug in countries where big pharma drives policy and public opinion.

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About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

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I long for the halcyon days of this forum when you were all singing Cal88's praises and ignoring his history of playing loosely with the facts. I couldn't have laughing harder at you fools in that moment.

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BearChemist said:

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About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

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I long for the halcyon days of this forum when you were all singing Cal88's praises and ignoring his history of playing loosely with the facts. I couldn't have laughing harder at you fools in that moment.

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In the halcyon days of this forum, you weren't on this forum, Greybear having had the good sense to ban trolls like you for making posts like these.

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"I have an advanced degree from Dunning-Kruger University so you'd better listen to me. I KNOW what I am talking about!"

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About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

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Here's the deal, Latimer guy: 4 month into this epidemic, all of the countries and regions that relied heavily on HCQ as a primary covid treatment have had very good to excellent results.

In Europe, Greece, Portugal, Russia and Romania have gone all in on HCQ. Greece had excellent results with it and ordered another 5 tons of raw chloroquine from India earlier this month, producing 24 million doses.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/amid-global-controversy-greece-moves-forward-with-chloroquine/articleshow/76300657.cms

Greece, pop, 10 million, 184 total covid deaths. Maybe it's the Kalamata olive oil, much healthier than Tuscan or Spanish olive oil?...


Other countries now relying on HCQ: Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Israel, Iran, Jordan, Portugal, Kenya, Senegal, Chad and the Republic of Congo. Russia, Bahrain, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Thailand, India and Venezuela.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0601/1144783-hydroxychloroquine/


HCQ does have one horrible side effect: it is a generic drug that is dirt cheap to produce.

This side effect has been nearly fatal to that drug in countries where big pharma drives policy and public opinion.

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Here we go again with cherry-picking. What do all of the countries that C88 mentioned above have in common? With the exception of Russia and India: very few cases of COVID. If people aren't sick they won't die. As far as we know HCQ does not, in and of itself, prevent transmission. Perhaps there is another reason those countries have so few deaths?

So that leaves us with Russia and India. What do they have in common? I think their "results" probably have a lot more to do with that than they do HCQ.

If you think the reason that HCQ is failing in clinical trials in the US is because it's a generic drug, inspite of the fact that Trump and his political appointees are heavily pushing its use and supposedly have developed financial interests aligned with the proliferation of HCQ, then I guess I would say you've even managed to cherry-pick conspiracy theories.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

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Here's the deal, Latimer guy: 4 month into this epidemic, all of the countries and regions that relied heavily on HCQ as a primary covid treatment have had very good to excellent results.

In Europe, Greece, Portugal, Russia and Romania have gone all in on HCQ. Greece had excellent results with it and ordered another 5 tons of raw chloroquine from India earlier this month, producing 24 million doses.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/amid-global-controversy-greece-moves-forward-with-chloroquine/articleshow/76300657.cms

Greece, pop, 10 million, 184 total covid deaths. Maybe it's the Kalamata olive oil, much healthier than Tuscan or Spanish olive oil?...


Other countries now relying on HCQ: Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Israel, Iran, Jordan, Portugal, Kenya, Senegal, Chad and the Republic of Congo. Russia, Bahrain, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Thailand, India and Venezuela.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0601/1144783-hydroxychloroquine/


HCQ does have one horrible side effect: it is a generic drug that is dirt cheap to produce.

This side effect has been nearly fatal to that drug in countries where big pharma drives policy and public opinion.

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Here we go again with cherry-picking. What do all of the countries that C88 mentioned above have in common? With the exception of Russia and India: very few cases of COVID. If people aren't sick they won't die. As far as we know HCQ does not, in and of itself, prevent transmission. Perhaps there is another reason those countries have so few deaths?

So that leaves us with Russia and India. What do they have in common? I think their "results" probably have a lot more to do with that than they do HCQ.

If you think the reason that HCQ is failing in clinical trials in the US is because it's a generic drug, inspite of the fact that Trump and his political appointees are heavily pushing its use and supposedly have developed financial interests aligned with the proliferation of HCQ, then I guess I would say you've even managed to cherry-pick conspiracy theories.

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You're the one doing the cherrypicking here. Your claim that HCQ countries have had no cases is wrong, besides India and Russia, Turkey and Iran, to name a couple, have had very large numbers of cases, similar to those from France, Italy, Spain or the UK.

Both Turkey and Iran have managed to keep their number of deaths in check through the systematic use of HCQ, every patient that tests positive gets it, and gets it early. HCQ is very effective at reducing the viral load early on but doesn't work in the late stages.

Turkey and Iran have had about the same number of cases as Italy, Spain, the UK or France, but have a very small fraction of the deaths, 5,000 for Turkey (pop. 83 million) and 10,000 for Iran. Iran was one of the earliest hit countries, was headed Italy's way, with large numbers of deaths, but managed to drop its case fatality rate substantially through the wide administration of HCQ in March. Both of these countries have managed to keep those low death rates despite having far poorer healthcare resources than France, Italy, Spain or the UK.

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Successful Treatment Strategy of Turkey against Covid-19 Outbreak

Turkey's fight against Covid-19 outbreak seems to be successful. The most important factor of this success is establishing a scientific committee, consisting of academics from Turkey's leading universities, at the earlier time of COVID-19 outbreak by the Ministry of Health.

Minister of Health, Dr. Fahrettin Koca, has summarized the followings after Coronavirus Scientific committee meetings. Briefly;

1. Each Covid positive adult patients are initially treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. To do this, enough medicine had to be provided and by acting early enough drugs were stocked.

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https://www.ejmo.org/10.14744/ejmo.2020.12345/

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Turkey embraces hydroxychloroquine

The country has public health lessons to offer, according to acting head of the World Health Organization (WHO) in Turkey, Dr Irshad Shaikh. "Initially we were worried," he told the BBC. "They were having 3,500 positive cases per day.

Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit says it's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. "Other countries are using this drug too late," he says, "especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

On a tour of the hospital, adding and subtracting protective layers as we go, he explains that Turkey's approach is to "get ahead of the virus", by treating early and treating aggressively. They use hydroxychloroquine and other drugs, along with blood plasma and oxygen in high concentrations.

Dr Yiyit is proud of his hospital's mortality rate of under 1%, and of the empty beds in the intensive care unit. They try to keep patients out of here, and off ventilators.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52831017



You've basically (1) made up your mind, and (2) have no idea of what's going on around the world, and aren't exposed to input from people outside the US or the foreign press.

The continued CBA that reinforce profit over human lives sucks.

Cal88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearChemist said:

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About time for Cal 88 to sell HCQ again... oh wait

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Here's the deal, Latimer guy: 4 month into this epidemic, all of the countries and regions that relied heavily on HCQ as a primary covid treatment have had very good to excellent results.

In Europe, Greece, Portugal, Russia and Romania have gone all in on HCQ. Greece had excellent results with it and ordered another 5 tons of raw chloroquine from India earlier this month, producing 24 million doses.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/amid-global-controversy-greece-moves-forward-with-chloroquine/articleshow/76300657.cms

Greece, pop, 10 million, 184 total covid deaths. Maybe it's the Kalamata olive oil, much healthier than Tuscan or Spanish olive oil?...


Other countries now relying on HCQ: Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Israel, Iran, Jordan, Portugal, Kenya, Senegal, Chad and the Republic of Congo. Russia, Bahrain, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Thailand, India and Venezuela.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0601/1144783-hydroxychloroquine/


HCQ does have one horrible side effect: it is a generic drug that is dirt cheap to produce.

This side effect has been nearly fatal to that drug in countries where big pharma drives policy and public opinion.

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Here we go again with cherry-picking. What do all of the countries that C88 mentioned above have in common? With the exception of Russia and India: very few cases of COVID. If people aren't sick they won't die. As far as we know HCQ does not, in and of itself, prevent transmission. Perhaps there is another reason those countries have so few deaths?

So that leaves us with Russia and India. What do they have in common? I think their "results" probably have a lot more to do with that than they do HCQ.

If you think the reason that HCQ is failing in clinical trials in the US is because it's a generic drug, inspite of the fact that Trump and his political appointees are heavily pushing its use and supposedly have developed financial interests aligned with the proliferation of HCQ, then I guess I would say you've even managed to cherry-pick conspiracy theories.

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You're the one doing the cherrypicking here. Your claim that HCQ countries have had no cases is wrong, besides India and Russia, Turkey and Iran, to name a couple, have had very large numbers of cases, similar to those from France, Italy, Spain or the UK.

Both Turkey and Iran have managed to keep their number of deaths in check through the systematic use of HCQ, every patient that tests positive gets it, and gets it early. HCQ is very effective at reducing the viral load early on but doesn't work in the late stages.

Turkey and Iran have had about the same number of cases as Italy, Spain, the UK or France, but have a very small fraction of the deaths, 5,000 for Turkey (pop. 83 million) and 10,000 for Iran. Iran was one of the earliest hit countries, was headed Italy's way, with large numbers of deaths, but managed to drop its case fatality rate substantially through the wide administration of HCQ in March. Both of these countries have managed to keep those low death rates despite having far poorer healthcare resources than France, Italy, Spain or the UK.

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Successful Treatment Strategy of Turkey against Covid-19 Outbreak

Turkey's fight against Covid-19 outbreak seems to be successful. The most important factor of this success is establishing a scientific committee, consisting of academics from Turkey's leading universities, at the earlier time of COVID-19 outbreak by the Ministry of Health.

Minister of Health, Dr. Fahrettin Koca, has summarized the followings after Coronavirus Scientific committee meetings. Briefly;

1. Each Covid positive adult patients are initially treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. To do this, enough medicine had to be provided and by acting early enough drugs were stocked.

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https://www.ejmo.org/10.14744/ejmo.2020.12345/

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Turkey embraces hydroxychloroquine

The country has public health lessons to offer, according to acting head of the World Health Organization (WHO) in Turkey, Dr Irshad Shaikh. "Initially we were worried," he told the BBC. "They were having 3,500 positive cases per day.

Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit says it's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. "Other countries are using this drug too late," he says, "especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

On a tour of the hospital, adding and subtracting protective layers as we go, he explains that Turkey's approach is to "get ahead of the virus", by treating early and treating aggressively. They use hydroxychloroquine and other drugs, along with blood plasma and oxygen in high concentrations.

Dr Yiyit is proud of his hospital's mortality rate of under 1%, and of the empty beds in the intensive care unit. They try to keep patients out of here, and off ventilators.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52831017



You've basically (1) made up your mind, and (2) have no idea of what's going on around the world, and aren't exposed to input from people outside the US or the foreign press.

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Oh, sorry I left out Turkey and Iran. So we have Cal88 telling us to be more like Turkey, Iran, Russia and India, who are definitely trustworthy countries we should have absolute faith are being honest with the world, because when haven't they?

I should also add, because fighting cherrypicking with cherrypicking is fair game, there have been studies that have shown that early HCQ treatments have no effect.

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Another hope for hydroxychloroquine, that it might prevent people exposed to the virus from getting sick, also faded last week when David Boulware of the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, and colleagues published the results of the largest study to date of this strategy, called postexposure prophylaxis (PEP). The researchers sent either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo by mail to 821 people who had been in close contact with a COVID-19 patient for more than 10 minutes without proper protection. They reported in The New England Journal of Medicine that 12% of the people who took the drug went on to develop COVID-19 symptoms, versus 14% in a placebo group, a difference that was not statistically significant.

A second large PEP trial has come up empty as well, its leader tells Science. Carried out in Barcelona, Spain, that study randomized more than 2300 people exposed to the virus to either hydroxychloroquine or the usual care. There was no significant difference between the number of people in each group who developed COVID-19, says Oriol Mitj of the Germans Trias i Pujol University Hospital. Mitj says he has submitted the results for publication.

The data are important because they come from large randomized trials. So far, most data came from small trials or case series. A meta-analysis of 24 such studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine concluded there was "insufficient and often conflicting evidence on the benefits and harms of using hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to treat COVID-19."

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https://theathletic.com/1894788/2020/06/26/giants-president-farhan-zaidi-denounces-scottsdale-city-council-member/

It's time for all the great patriots in this country to rise up against government tyranny and take off their seatbelts!

You're being a bit provincial here I'm afraid. Maybe you haven't traveled much in your life or lived overseas, the US is a very culturally insulated country, seeing the world through the prism of mass media, with movies like "Papillon" or "Midnight Express" shaping Americans' image of Turkey. As well, the current political environment seems to have exacerbated certain jingoistic tendencies in the US, and not just in the "flyover" states, the notion that their leaders and bureaucracies are a whole lot more truthful than those from other countries.

One thing that those countries cited above have in common is that big pharma doesn't have a grip on their healthcare policies and media.

In the US, big pharma spends as much on marketing its products domestically as Turkey spends on its entire annual healthcare budget.

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Of the nearly $30 billion that health companies now spend on medical marketing each year, around 68 percent (or about $20 billion) goes to persuading doctors and other medical professionalsnot consumersof the benefits of prescription drugs. That's according to an in-depth analysis published in JAMA this week. Jan 11, 2019

Big Pharma shells out $20B each year to schmooze docs, $6B on drug ads
Persuading doctors and direct-to-consumer ads land 1-2 punch for knockout sales.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/healthcare-industry-spends-30b-on-marketing-most-of-it-goes-to-doctors/

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HCQ sells for about 50 cents per pill in the US, vs $1,000 per pill for Gilead's Remdisivir...

Yes only a provincial would have a problem with disingenuous cherry-picking.

If HCQ was a wonder drug, it would be born out in legitimate randomized trials. Every researcher in this field would love the fame that would go along with proving that a cheap, easily made and distributed generic drug is the silver bullet to knock out the most economically disruptive disease in decades and yet there hasn't been a single legitimate study that shows what you claim.

I get that you see conspiracies around every corner, but HCQ has the most powerful man in the world (Putin) behind it, plus Trump.

I would love to be wrong about HCQ - I was as excited as everyone when there was promising news about its use months ago but I can accept facts without constructing fanciful narratives. It's apparently a trait we don't share.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Oh, sorry I left out Turkey and Iran. So we have Cal88 telling us to be more like Turkey, Iran, Russia and India, who are definitely trustworthy countries we should have absolute faith are being honest with the world, because when haven't they?

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These 4 countries are among the hardest hit in the world in the number of cases, with nearly 1.7 million testing positive. They all have had very low fatality rates, orders of magnitude lower than those of the US or the other large western countries. Turkey and Russia have 1./6th the US death rate, so yes, the US would greatly benefit from applying their methods for treating covid19, which are centered upon treating patients as early as possible with the HCQ regiment.

The majority of clinical trials for HCQ actually did show positive outcomes. Going forward, you're going to see further divergence between countries using HCQ as a treatment and those that don't.

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Yes only a provincial would have a problem with disingenuous cherry-picking.

If HCQ was a wonder drug, it would be born out in legitimate randomized trials. Every researcher in this field would love the fame that would go along with proving that a cheap, easily made and distributed generic drug is the silver bullet to knock out the most economically disruptive disease in decades and yet there hasn't been a single legitimate study that shows what you claim.

I get that you see conspiracies around every corner, but HCQ has the most powerful man in the world (Putin) behind it, plus Trump.

I would love to be wrong about HCQ - I was as excited as everyone when there was promising news about its use months ago but I can accept facts without constructing fanciful narratives. It's apparently a trait we don't share.

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Trump endorsing HCQ early on pretty much destroyed it in US public opinion.

Top researchers like Raoult who had excellent results with HCQ, published his findings and ended up being the victim of a smear campaign, most virulently in his home country. He also ended up with the lowest death rates in the world among the 4,000 patients his center in Marseille has treated, and his protocol, which was widely followed in the south of France, yielded death rates 1/7th the national average.

Published death rates across countries are not "fanciful narratives", they are the bottom line, as are the protocols used in those countries, which have centralized policies. The numbers speak for themselves:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=table

I've already debunked your boy in Marseille. I don't believe you ever responded and I can't be bothered to cut and paste it every time you trot him out. It's just more cherry picking.

People have every reason to work with HCQ if it was effective but unfortunately it hasn't been proven to be true. You construct fanciful narratives because you see conspiracies around every corner. If it were just with COVID we could chalk it up to indiscretion but it's a pattern with you.

I wish I had enough energy to respond every time you dissemble but it's just tedious and I think just about everyone else has written you off so my responses are tedious. I will leave you alone after this so you can post whatever cherries you can find to your heart's content.

Every country in the west is refusing to use hcq and thus letting thousands of people die in order to discredit Raoult or because pharma is powerful or because they hate Trump, while Russia, Iran, and Turkey are using it and having MIRACULOUS survival rates instead of just cooking the numbers like authoritarian govts. are wont to do

Christ, man, listen to yourself

I hate to put an end to this fun debate, but here's some anecdotal evidence that proves the effectiveness of HCQ beyond a shadow of a doubt:

1. Trump is over 70 and fat.
2. Trump takes HCQ.
3. People all around Trump are testing positive and dropping like flies.
4. Trump, the b*****d, is still up and walking around (though he's a little shaky going down ramps).

As the French say, voila.

I gotta start taking some of this s***! I hear that that powder I use to clean my fish tank, is ALMOST the same. I'll try that. As for the ramp part, f*** it, I never walk down ramps anyway!

How the Virus Won - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-spread.html


CDC says there could be 10 times more U.S. coronavirus cases than reported - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-cdc-estimate-10-times-higher-8613fdf8-4b69-4df0-85e3-6da0d383d0d1.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


Why are California's Covid-19 cases surging? Here's what we know


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/26/california-coronavirus-covid-19-cases?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Has anyone tried to get tested recently in SoCal? I'm with family and one family member (who was out of town partying with a big group last week) has pretty obvious COVID symptoms and having a hell of a time getting tested in Riverside. We're currently in the OC and trying to get an in-law tested (mild symptoms but high risk group, had been in contact with the other person about a week before symptoms) and it's all but impossible. There are a number of drive-through testing sites that claim to have availability but when you go through the website to the finish line it says there are no openings available. The high-risk person did a phone consult with his HMO provider and was told he had maybe a 5% chance of COVID based on the symptoms and they didn't think that warranted testing at this point. My internal response was that the state wanted to keep positive test results under 6% which is hard to do if you don't test people who are on the margins.

I genuinely thought it would be easy to get tested everywhere but maybe that's no longer the case? Is this a sign of the increased spread or perhaps just people freaking out and opting for testing because of the news?

Unit2Sucks said:

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Has anyone tried to get tested recently in SoCal? I'm with family and one family member (who was out of town partying with a big group last week) has pretty obvious COVID symptoms and having a hell of a time getting tested in Riverside. We're currently in the OC and trying to get an in-law tested (mild symptoms but high risk group, had been in contact with the other person about a week before symptoms) and it's all but impossible. There are a number of drive-through testing sites that claim to have availability but when you go through the website to the finish line it says there are no openings available. The high-risk person did a phone consult with his HMO provider and was told he had maybe a 5% chance of COVID based on the symptoms and they didn't think that warranted testing at this point. My internal response was that the state wanted to keep positive test results under 6% which is hard to do if you don't test people who are on the margins.

I genuinely thought it would be easy to get tested everywhere but maybe that's no longer the case? Is this a sign of the increased spread or perhaps just people freaking out and opting for testing because of the news?

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Just go donate blood

Todd Ingram said:

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Has anyone tried to get tested recently in SoCal? I'm with family and one family member (who was out of town partying with a big group last week) has pretty obvious COVID symptoms and having a hell of a time getting tested in Riverside. We're currently in the OC and trying to get an in-law tested (mild symptoms but high risk group, had been in contact with the other person about a week before symptoms) and it's all but impossible. There are a number of drive-through testing sites that claim to have availability but when you go through the website to the finish line it says there are no openings available. The high-risk person did a phone consult with his HMO provider and was told he had maybe a 5% chance of COVID based on the symptoms and they didn't think that warranted testing at this point. My internal response was that the state wanted to keep positive test results under 6% which is hard to do if you don't test people who are on the margins.

I genuinely thought it would be easy to get tested everywhere but maybe that's no longer the case? Is this a sign of the increased spread or perhaps just people freaking out and opting for testing because of the news?

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Just go donate blood

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I thought you were down to one sock puppet.

An American hero

"A Maryland man who organized rallies to pressure Gov. Larry Hogan to lift the state's stay-home order says he has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, and does not plan to provide names of people with whom he had contact to public health officials for contact tracing."

bearister said:

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How the Virus Won - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-spread.html


CDC says there could be 10 times more U.S. coronavirus cases than reported - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-cdc-estimate-10-times-higher-8613fdf8-4b69-4df0-85e3-6da0d383d0d1.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


Why are California's Covid-19 cases surging? Here's what we know


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/26/california-coronavirus-covid-19-cases?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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"The number of patients in intensive care also increased 19% over the past fortnight more than a third of ICU beds available across the state are now occupied by coronavirus patients."

calbear93 said:

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Todd Ingram said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Has anyone tried to get tested recently in SoCal? I'm with family and one family member (who was out of town partying with a big group last week) has pretty obvious COVID symptoms and having a hell of a time getting tested in Riverside. We're currently in the OC and trying to get an in-law tested (mild symptoms but high risk group, had been in contact with the other person about a week before symptoms) and it's all but impossible. There are a number of drive-through testing sites that claim to have availability but when you go through the website to the finish line it says there are no openings available. The high-risk person did a phone consult with his HMO provider and was told he had maybe a 5% chance of COVID based on the symptoms and they didn't think that warranted testing at this point. My internal response was that the state wanted to keep positive test results under 6% which is hard to do if you don't test people who are on the margins.

I genuinely thought it would be easy to get tested everywhere but maybe that's no longer the case? Is this a sign of the increased spread or perhaps just people freaking out and opting for testing because of the news?

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Just go donate blood

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I thought you were down to one sock puppet.

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Bullpen arms still need to be warmed up before they come into the game.