smh said:

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from a forgotten palo alto boy band comes a song for our times..

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calbear93 said:

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Yes, and guess who's keeping very quiet about Chicago? The first black president of the United States, who had to overcome systemic racism in our country to be elected twice.

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I know, but I don't need Obama to say anything about Chicago. He stopped being the President 4 years ago. I am also glad that a black, inspirational leader who appears to be a deeply kind and gracious person became president, but I honestly don't think of him as black or white. I think of him as someone brilliant enough to get into Columbia and then to Harvard law school and to teach constitutional law at University of Chicago. I suspect Trump has never even read the Constitution. Whatever I think of Barack and Michelle Obama (whom I am fond of from observing through the news), I am not waiting for them to come rescue us. And the time Obama encouraged black fathers to focus on being the best fathers they can, didn't Jesse Jackson say that he will cut off Obama's nuts not knowing his mike was live?

If Chicagoans want change, then I suspect people of Chicago, especially the South Siders, will have to say that they want something different. If they keep doing the same thing, voting people with the same failed liberal policies and keep expecting something from outside to come rescue them, then they are gravely mistaken.

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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Yes, and guess who's keeping very quiet about Chicago? The first black president of the United States, who had to overcome systemic racism in our country to be elected twice.

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I know, but I don't need Obama to say anything about Chicago. He stopped being the President 4 years ago. I am also glad that a black, inspirational leader who appears to be a deeply kind and gracious person became president, but I honestly don't think of him as black or white. I think of him as someone brilliant enough to get into Columbia and then to Harvard law school and to teach constitutional law at University of Chicago. I suspect Trump has never even read the Constitution. Whatever I think of Barack and Michelle Obama (whom I am fond of from observing through the news), I am not waiting for them to come rescue us. And the time Obama encouraged black fathers to focus on being the best fathers they can, didn't Jesse Jackson say that he will cut off Obama's nuts not knowing his mike was live?

If Chicagoans want change, then I suspect people of Chicago, especially the South Siders, will have to say that they want something different. If they keep doing the same thing, voting people with the same failed liberal policies and keep expecting something from outside to come rescue them, then they are gravely mistaken.

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Well, until the last six months or so the murder rate in Chicago had been declining.

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2020/01/28/city/chicago-homicide-rate-decreases-for-3rd-straight-year/

So I don't know why the voters would have wanted to make a change yet. And if you want to take the long view, again, the murder rate now is nothing like what it was in the 70s and 80s. So which liberal policies helped bring those numbers down over the last few decades?

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Come on, Chicago, Detroit and, other the 90s and 2000, New York have always been known as high crime rate cities with high murder rates. You act as if the recent events are uncharacteristic of Chicago. What brought the crime rate down? Most likely good economy. But not all cities in recession now are acting like Chicago.

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sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Yes, and guess who's keeping very quiet about Chicago? The first black president of the United States, who had to overcome systemic racism in our country to be elected twice.

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I know, but I don't need Obama to say anything about Chicago. He stopped being the President 4 years ago. I am also glad that a black, inspirational leader who appears to be a deeply kind and gracious person became president, but I honestly don't think of him as black or white. I think of him as someone brilliant enough to get into Columbia and then to Harvard law school and to teach constitutional law at University of Chicago. I suspect Trump has never even read the Constitution. Whatever I think of Barack and Michelle Obama (whom I am fond of from observing through the news), I am not waiting for them to come rescue us. And the time Obama encouraged black fathers to focus on being the best fathers they can, didn't Jesse Jackson say that he will cut off Obama's nuts not knowing his mike was live?

If Chicagoans want change, then I suspect people of Chicago, especially the South Siders, will have to say that they want something different. If they keep doing the same thing, voting people with the same failed liberal policies and keep expecting something from outside to come rescue them, then they are gravely mistaken.

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Well, until the last six months or so the murder rate in Chicago had been declining.

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2020/01/28/city/chicago-homicide-rate-decreases-for-3rd-straight-year/

So I don't know why the voters would have wanted to make a change yet. And if you want to take the long view, again, the murder rate now is nothing like what it was in the 70s and 80s. So which liberal policies helped bring those numbers down over the last few decades?

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Come on, Chicago, Detroit and, other the 90s and 2000, New York have always been known as high crime rate cities with high murder rates. You act as if the recent events are uncharacteristic of Chicago. What brought the crime rate down? Most likely good economy. But not all cities in recession now are acting like Chicago.

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Bigger cities have higher crime rates, yes. I don't think this is due to the political parties in charge and more to do with what happens when you have a lot more people in close proximity.

But all of those cities have seen improvements in their crime rates in the last several decades, so again, why would you expect the citizens there to want to make a change?

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Yes, and guess who's keeping very quiet about Chicago? The first black president of the United States, who had to overcome systemic racism in our country to be elected twice.

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I know, but I don't need Obama to say anything about Chicago. He stopped being the President 4 years ago. I am also glad that a black, inspirational leader who appears to be a deeply kind and gracious person became president, but I honestly don't think of him as black or white. I think of him as someone brilliant enough to get into Columbia and then to Harvard law school and to teach constitutional law at University of Chicago. I suspect Trump has never even read the Constitution. Whatever I think of Barack and Michelle Obama (whom I am fond of from observing through the news), I am not waiting for them to come rescue us. And the time Obama encouraged black fathers to focus on being the best fathers they can, didn't Jesse Jackson say that he will cut off Obama's nuts not knowing his mike was live?

If Chicagoans want change, then I suspect people of Chicago, especially the South Siders, will have to say that they want something different. If they keep doing the same thing, voting people with the same failed liberal policies and keep expecting something from outside to come rescue them, then they are gravely mistaken.

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Well, until the last six months or so the murder rate in Chicago had been declining.

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2020/01/28/city/chicago-homicide-rate-decreases-for-3rd-straight-year/

So I don't know why the voters would have wanted to make a change yet. And if you want to take the long view, again, the murder rate now is nothing like what it was in the 70s and 80s. So which liberal policies helped bring those numbers down over the last few decades?

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Come on, Chicago, Detroit and, other the 90s and 2000, New York have always been known as high crime rate cities with high murder rates. You act as if the recent events are uncharacteristic of Chicago. What brought the crime rate down? Most likely good economy. But not all cities in recession now are acting like Chicago.

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Bigger cities have higher crime rates, yes. I don't think this is due to the political parties in charge and more to do with what happens when you have a lot more people in close proximity.

But all of those cities have seen improvements in their crime rates in the last several decades, so again, why would you expect the citizens there to want to make a change?

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I never said political parties. I listed many things, including many liberal policies. But, I don't know if on a per capita basis, there are more crimes in NY and Chicago, but it sure feels that way. During the the early 90s, I don't think people were thinking about statistics as they were getting mugged in the subway or in the middle of Broadway.

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smh said:

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from a forgotten palo alto boy band comes a song for our times..

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I've probably listened to this song six times since you posted it and added it to my Spotify songs

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smh said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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smh said:

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from a forgotten palo alto boy band comes a song for our times..

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I've probably listened to this song six times since you posted it and added it to my Spotify songs

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smh kids did the same (pre-spotty) when dad brought the vinyl home maany decades ago. flash forward a bit and darn if K3 weren't doing a tailgater BG freebie mini-set in a grove down on the farm. and money song Hang down ur head Tom Dooley aswell. #gobsmacked

( pretty sure at least one of 'em passed-on a while back, too lazy to check )

covid-wannabe (too soon?) themed..

personal ps: ya know those darned BSes nobody gives a whit about? turns out, sorry, we're ~tied.

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bearister said:

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> youtu.be/Tkm7ZXebfSo

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calbear93 said:

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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Of course, as a conservative, I have my views. Drugs, poverty, corruption, deterioration of family values and family unit, destruction of sense of community, identity politics with encouragement of sense of victimhood for self-generated harm in lieu of self-determination and accountability, business growth diverted from over regulation and anti-corporation attitudes, insufficient federal gun control rules, lack of law and order with more compassion for criminals than victims of crime, and desire to blame others instead of wanting to fix from within. How did the Republicans get so lost that we are often seen as a worse option than this type of disaster, and why are we also doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

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> I mean why does Alaska have double the violent crime rate as California?

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• Adults drinking excessively: 22.1%
• Alcohol-related driving deaths: 33.8% (16th highest)
• Adults in fair or poor health: 13.7% (12th lowest)
• Drunkest metro area: Fairbanks, AK

• Adults drinking excessively: 18.0%
• Alcohol-related driving deaths: 29.0% (15th lowest)
• Adults in fair or poor health: 17.8% (15th highest)
• Drunkest metro area: Chico, CA

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calbear93 said:

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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Of course, as a conservative, I have my views. Drugs, poverty, corruption, deterioration of family values and family unit, destruction of sense of community, identity politics with encouragement of sense of victimhood for self-generated harm in lieu of self-determination and accountability, business growth diverted from over regulation and anti-corporation attitudes, insufficient federal gun control rules, lack of law and order with more compassion for criminals than victims of crime, and desire to blame others instead of wanting to fix from within. How did the Republicans get so lost that we are often seen as a worse option than this type of disaster, and why are we also doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

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I'm not sure what makes you think it's a political issue. When you look at the states ranked by violent crime, I don't see an obvious democrat problem.

9 of the top 10 highest crime states are red, and 8 of the lowest 10 states are blue. I think there are a lot of differences between those two groups, but I see no reason to conclude that party politics or policies play a huge role. I mean why does Alaska have double the violent crime rate as California?

As you note, crime is a multivariate problem that doesn't lend itself to crude political analysis, so why introduce that?

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calbear93 said:

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Yes, and guess who's keeping very quiet about Chicago? The first black president of the United States, who had to overcome systemic racism in our country to be elected twice.

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I know, but I don't need Obama to say anything about Chicago. He stopped being the President 4 years ago. I am also glad that a black, inspirational leader who appears to be a deeply kind and gracious person became president, but I honestly don't think of him as black or white. I think of him as someone brilliant enough to get into Columbia and then to Harvard law school and to teach constitutional law at University of Chicago. I suspect Trump has never even read the Constitution. Whatever I think of Barack and Michelle Obama (whom I am fond of from observing through the news), I am not waiting for them to come rescue us. And the time Obama encouraged black fathers to focus on being the best fathers they can, didn't Jesse Jackson say that he will cut off Obama's nuts not knowing his mike was live?

If Chicagoans want change, then I suspect people of Chicago, especially the South Siders, will have to say that they want something different. If they keep doing the same thing, voting people with the same failed liberal policies and keep expecting something from outside to come rescue them, then they are gravely mistaken.

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Well, until the last six months or so the murder rate in Chicago had been declining.

https://dailynorthwestern.com/2020/01/28/city/chicago-homicide-rate-decreases-for-3rd-straight-year/

So I don't know why the voters would have wanted to make a change yet. And if you want to take the long view, again, the murder rate now is nothing like what it was in the 70s and 80s. So which liberal policies helped bring those numbers down over the last few decades?

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Come on, Chicago, Detroit and, other the 90s and 2000, New York have always been known as high crime rate cities with high murder rates. You act as if the recent events are uncharacteristic of Chicago. What brought the crime rate down? Most likely good economy. But not all cities in recession now are acting like Chicago.

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Bigger cities have higher crime rates, yes. I don't think this is due to the political parties in charge and more to do with what happens when you have a lot more people in close proximity.

But all of those cities have seen improvements in their crime rates in the last several decades, so again, why would you expect the citizens there to want to make a change?

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I never said political parties. I listed many things, including many liberal policies. But, I don't know if on a per capita basis, there are more crimes in NY and Chicago, but it sure feels that way. During the the early 90s, I don't think people were thinking about statistics as they were getting mugged in the subway or in the middle of Broadway.

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Okay, but I think to discuss public policy you have to look at overall numbers and trends and not just anecdotal examples like "I got mugged in the 90s." I also think those will better explain overall voter behavior than just what the crime rate feels like.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdfzXMDU0AIu7E-?format=png&name=900x900

Protestors using leaf blowers to send tear gas back to the FEDS. This is the kind of innovation on an iconic suburban tool that gives us hope for the future.

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https://katu.com/news/on-your-side/downtown-portland-business-owners-feel-negative-impacts-of-continued-nightly-protests

https://www.kptv.com/news/local/after-fires-and-fence-damage-outside-downtown-federal-courthouse-portland-police-declare-unlawful-assembly/article_c090e454-cda2-11ea-a168-93158af9c779.html

Portland

After fires and fence damage outside downtown federal courthouse, Portland police declare unlawful assembly.
Portland's Democrat do nothing mayor is doing nothing.

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"Tear Gas Ted" has actually been sympathetic to the protesters and condemning the federal presence, but when he went out there to meet with the protesters--probably expecting to be greeted warmly--the crowd started throwing f-bombs at the poor guy. His appeasement seems to have backfired.

Chants of "**** Ted Wheeler" were interspersed all night with "Black Lives Matters" cheers. Many of his remarks, delivered in the same stiff cadence he uses at City Council meetings, were drowned out by boos and insults. As Wheeler answered questions from protest leaders, someone dumped munitions used by police against the crowds at his feet. A list of demands projected on the wall above his head as he spoke concluded with a call for him to resign.

Similarly, Libby Schaaf's house in Oakland was vandalized. I guess she's just way too far to the right for the locals.
https://abc7news.com/oakland-mayor-house-vandalized-libby-schaaf-defund-police/6327466/

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BearForce2 said:

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Lefties be like stop killing black people, kill cops instead. And by the way, we are peaceful.

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Matthew Patel said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Lefties be like stop killing black people, kill cops instead. And by the way, we are peaceful.

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Hard to imagine how being pro-killing black people makes you feel morally superior

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Lefties be like stop killing black people, kill cops instead. And by the way, we are peaceful.

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Hard to imagine how being pro-killing black people makes you feel morally superior

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You sound like AunBear, congratulations.
Remember, your boy Bernie doesn't support BLM. If he was the Democrat nominee, he would have to.

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calbear93 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Lefties be like stop killing black people, kill cops instead. And by the way, we are peaceful.

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Hard to imagine how being pro-killing black people makes you feel morally superior

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You sound like AunBear, congratulations.
Remember, your boy Bernie doesn't support BLM. If he was the Democrat nominee, he would have to.

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Whether it's gun control, immigration, or racial issues, Sanders never seemed very liberal on social issues.

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