Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
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Are all the protestors violent? If the answer is "no" then they have a right under the 1st amendment to organize, gather, and peacefully express their displeasure. The Constitution spells out this right as does the 4th Amendment does concerning improper search and seizure. If you're going to be a POTUS you don't get to pick and choose which Amendments you will follow and which Amendments you won't.BearForce2 said:Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-identify-umbrella-man-who-helped-incite-george-floyd-riots-warrant-says/ar-BB17iOvO
I still don't see what the protesters are protesting against. I'm sure there's someone out there at some time during the day with a BLM, "defund the police," "FTP," or "kill Bezos" sign, but that sure doesn't seem to be what's happening when the sun goes down. I see lasers, molotov cocktails, gasoline, and launched fireworks, but no cardboard signs.
The great majority of the vandals seem to be white folks in their 20s. They are suited up for war and I think they're enjoying it. They've gotten the hint that there is very little appetite for arresting them, so the bold become emboldened. Some kids really like to break stuff. They care about excessive force by police as much as I care about the Canadian curling championships. What does trashing and looting stores have to do with police brutality? What does trying to set the federal courthouse on fire have to do with George Floyd? It's not the courthouse in Minneapolis they're attacking, it's the one in ultra-liberal Portland they're going after, a place that hasn't been in the news for excessive force by police and whose mayor sympathizes with the protesters. Memo to Ted: Appeasement doesn't pay my friend.
These people need to get a life. They need to learn to build rather than destroy. Contribute something; maybe even get a job. God forbid they go and volunteer in the black community. Pick something to channel the bottled-up rage due to your own shortcomings; that includes the clueless moms.
The great majority of the vandals seem to be white folks in their 20s. They are suited up for war and I think they're enjoying it. They've gotten the hint that there is very little appetite for arresting them, so the bold become emboldened. Some kids really like to break stuff. They care about excessive force by police as much as I care about the Canadian curling championships. What does trashing and looting stores have to do with police brutality? What does trying to set the federal courthouse on fire have to do with George Floyd? It's not the courthouse in Minneapolis they're attacking, it's the one in ultra-liberal Portland they're going after, a place that hasn't been in the news for excessive force by police and whose mayor sympathizes with the protesters. Memo to Ted: Appeasement doesn't pay my friend.
These people need to get a life. They need to learn to build rather than destroy. Contribute something; maybe even get a job. God forbid they go and volunteer in the black community. Pick something to channel the bottled-up rage due to your own shortcomings; that includes the clueless moms.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
What do you have against white people? Do you think it's cultural? I would love to know what the "intelligent" and "rational" people that you speak of are saying about the scourge.LMK5 said:
I still don't see what the protesters are protesting against. I'm sure there's someone out there at some time during the day with a BLM, "defund the police," "FTP," or "kill Bezos" sign, but that sure doesn't seem to be what's happening when the sun goes down. I see lasers, molotov cocktails, gasoline, and launched fireworks, but no cardboard signs.
The great majority of the vandals seem to be white folks in their 20s. They are suited up for war and I think they're enjoying it. They've gotten the hint that there is very little appetite for arresting them, so the bold become emboldened. Some kids really like to break stuff. They care about excessive force by police as much as I care about the Canadian curling championships. What does trashing and looting stores have to do with police brutality? What does trying to set the federal courthouse on fire have to do with George Floyd? It's not the courthouse in Minneapolis they're attacking, it's the one in ultra-liberal Portland they're going after, a place that hasn't been in the news for excessive force by police and whose mayor sympathizes with the protesters. Memo to Ted: Appeasement doesn't pay my friend.
These people need to get a life. They need to learn to build rather than destroy. Contribute something; maybe even get a job. God forbid they go and volunteer in the black community. Pick something to channel the bottled-up rage due to your own shortcomings; that includes the clueless moms.
By the way, Portland has had issues with excessive police violence during these protests, long before the federal security forces showed up. You may want to read about it so that you can be informed in this discussion. You may find out that a federal judge issued a restraining order against Portland police due to excessive use of tear gas against peaceful protesters. I'm (not) surprised Tucker hasn't mentioned it during one of his hysterical screeds.
" The great majority of the vandals seem to be white folks in their 20s. They are suited up for war and I think they're enjoying it."
Yes, that is correct. Same group that destroyed Oakland during Occupy Oakland in 2012. I used to take photos of them from my office above the corner of 14th and Clay across the street from the Federal Building. The same group that vandalized the Oakland Main Courthouse last Saturday night.
Also known as the Black bloc or ANTIFA (pictured here during Occupy Oakland):
If I was BLM in Oakland I would kick their rear ends so hard they would never forget it. They have no courage like John Lewis had. They only do their act in permissive cities.
Yes, that is correct. Same group that destroyed Oakland during Occupy Oakland in 2012. I used to take photos of them from my office above the corner of 14th and Clay across the street from the Federal Building. The same group that vandalized the Oakland Main Courthouse last Saturday night.
Also known as the Black bloc or ANTIFA (pictured here during Occupy Oakland):
If I was BLM in Oakland I would kick their rear ends so hard they would never forget it. They have no courage like John Lewis had. They only do their act in permissive cities.
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Right on!! I honestly don't think these violent "protestors" know what they're protesting. In fact, I don't think they're really protesting anything. They're just a bunch of spoiled, entitled (largely white) young people who are apparently unhappy with their position in life, and who are probably bored. They should be treated harshly and locked up in jail for awhile. The mayor of Portland seems to want to coddle them, which is just asking for trouble.LMK5 said:
I still don't see what the protesters are protesting against. I'm sure there's someone out there at some time during the day with a BLM, "defund the police," "FTP," or "kill Bezos" sign, but that sure doesn't seem to be what's happening when the sun goes down. I see lasers, molotov cocktails, gasoline, and launched fireworks, but no cardboard signs.
The great majority of the vandals seem to be white folks in their 20s. They are suited up for war and I think they're enjoying it. They've gotten the hint that there is very little appetite for arresting them, so the bold become emboldened. Some kids really like to break stuff. They care about excessive force by police as much as I care about the Canadian curling championships. What does trashing and looting stores have to do with police brutality? What does trying to set the federal courthouse on fire have to do with George Floyd? It's not the courthouse in Minneapolis they're attacking, it's the one in ultra-liberal Portland they're going after, a place that hasn't been in the news for excessive force by police and whose mayor sympathizes with the protesters. Memo to Ted: Appeasement doesn't pay my friend.
These people need to get a life. They need to learn to build rather than destroy. Contribute something; maybe even get a job. God forbid they go and volunteer in the black community. Pick something to channel the bottled-up rage due to your own shortcomings; that includes the clueless moms.
I saw a some of them around the courthouse a few years back. The males are strange looking dudes. They are small in stature and look like men from a different century. Short hair, longer sideburns, dissipated (drugs?) and tatted. I imagine they would be pirates in a different era.
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More of these white supremacists who planned to infiltrated peaceful protest in an effort to incite violence only this time this one was charged in a separate case with one count of sexual exploitation of children after investigators allegedly found 10 images of child pornography on his cell phone. On top of that, there are a separate 23 counts which involve a stepdaughter. What a piece of shyte.BearForce2 said:Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-identify-umbrella-man-who-helped-incite-george-floyd-riots-warrant-says/ar-BB17iOvO
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/alleged-boogaloo-extremist-hit-with-new-child-exploitation-charge-following-arrest-at-las-vegas-protests/ar-BB17nGVr
When I see the videos of the nightly riots in Portland, I don't see any pillars of society.BearNIt said:More of these white supremacists who planned to infiltrated peaceful protest in an effort to incite violence only this time this one was charged in a separate case with one count of sexual exploitation of children after investigators allegedly found 10 images of child pornography on his cell phone. On top of that, there are a separate 23 counts which involve a stepdaughter. What a piece of shyte.BearForce2 said:Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-identify-umbrella-man-who-helped-incite-george-floyd-riots-warrant-says/ar-BB17iOvO
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/alleged-boogaloo-extremist-hit-with-new-child-exploitation-charge-following-arrest-at-las-vegas-protests/ar-BB17nGVr
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
Maybe you're not looking hard enough? You didn't see the Moms, Dads with leaf blowers, the veterans, peaceful protestors, the Mayor, or others who were there for a peaceful protest? Look harder, they are right there in front of you. They've done what others are afraid of, they have stood up to the unnamed and unidentifiable federal agents who were put there by Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots. Again not all protestors were there to cause damage some were there to express their 1st Amendment rights.LMK5 said:When I see the videos of the nightly riots in Portland, I don't see any pillars of society.BearNIt said:More of these white supremacists who planned to infiltrated peaceful protest in an effort to incite violence only this time this one was charged in a separate case with one count of sexual exploitation of children after investigators allegedly found 10 images of child pornography on his cell phone. On top of that, there are a separate 23 counts which involve a stepdaughter. What a piece of shyte.BearForce2 said:Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-identify-umbrella-man-who-helped-incite-george-floyd-riots-warrant-says/ar-BB17iOvO
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/alleged-boogaloo-extremist-hit-with-new-child-exploitation-charge-following-arrest-at-las-vegas-protests/ar-BB17nGVr
.BearNIt said:Maybe you're not looking hard enough? You didn't see the Moms, Dads with leaf blowers, the veterans, peaceful protestors, the Mayor, or others who were there for a peaceful protest? Look harder, they are right there in front of you. They've done what others are afraid of, they have stood up to the unnamed and unidentifiable federal agents who were put there by Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots. Again not all protestors were there to cause damage some were there to express their 1st Amendment rights.LMK5 said:When I see the videos of the nightly riots in Portland, I don't see any pillars of society.BearNIt said:More of these white supremacists who planned to infiltrated peaceful protest in an effort to incite violence only this time this one was charged in a separate case with one count of sexual exploitation of children after investigators allegedly found 10 images of child pornography on his cell phone. On top of that, there are a separate 23 counts which involve a stepdaughter. What a piece of shyte.BearForce2 said:Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-identify-umbrella-man-who-helped-incite-george-floyd-riots-warrant-says/ar-BB17iOvO
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/alleged-boogaloo-extremist-hit-with-new-child-exploitation-charge-following-arrest-at-las-vegas-protests/ar-BB17nGVr
And many were also deprived of their 4th Amendment rights. It's time for the Wall of NRA to show up in Portland to defend the 1st and 4th Amendments.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-violence-surging-cities-hitting-communities-color-hardest-n1233269Quote:
101 pairs of shoes and a casket are laid out during a vigil to represent the 101 shooting victims in the 74 gun violence incidents that took place over the past week throughout New York City,
Gun violence is horrible in any community and something should be done inside and outside the communities that are affected by it. Responsible community leaders recognize this and the NRA should recognize this and stop blocking sensible gun laws. Most gun owners recognize this. How many guns does a person need to own?BearForce2 said:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-violence-surging-cities-hitting-communities-color-hardest-n1233269Quote:
101 pairs of shoes and a casket are laid out during a vigil to represent the 101 shooting victims in the 74 gun violence incidents that took place over the past week throughout New York City,
The NRA backed the Mulford Gun Ban Act of 1967.*
* It thought that was sensible gun control legislation
* It thought that was sensible gun control legislation
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The NRA backed the Mulford Gun Ban Act of 1967.*
* It thought that was sensible gun control legislation
1967 was before corporate America took over government policy enabled by the conservative movement and corporate media endless hagiographies of CEO's (guys like Jack Welch).
The protests got out of hand way before the feds showed up. Take a look at the federal building. Does it look like it was protected? The feds are out there from 12AM-5AM according to the reports. If the Portland mayor and local PD were doing their jobs there wouldn't be a reason for outside help to come in.BearNIt said:Maybe you're not looking hard enough? You didn't see the Moms, Dads with leaf blowers, the veterans, peaceful protestors, the Mayor, or others who were there for a peaceful protest? Look harder, they are right there in front of you. They've done what others are afraid of, they have stood up to the unnamed and unidentifiable federal agents who were put there by Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots. Again not all protestors were there to cause damage some were there to express their 1st Amendment rights.LMK5 said:When I see the videos of the nightly riots in Portland, I don't see any pillars of society.BearNIt said:More of these white supremacists who planned to infiltrated peaceful protest in an effort to incite violence only this time this one was charged in a separate case with one count of sexual exploitation of children after investigators allegedly found 10 images of child pornography on his cell phone. On top of that, there are a separate 23 counts which involve a stepdaughter. What a piece of shyte.BearForce2 said:Peaceful Portland Patriots? That is some twisted thinking. They should all just stay home and reflect on how they are part of a systemic racist country according to their own ideology.BearNIt said:The 1st amendment says that peaceful protestors have a right to protest. Think of them as American colonists in 2020 only less violent. I'm sure the Crown said the same thing about those violent thuglike protestors when they took up arms against the British. I wonder what people called the civil rights protestors who wanted equal treatment under the law and an end top Jim Crow, did they call them violent, thuglike, or worse?BearForce2 said:Right, not all protesters are alike, some prefer to hang out and watch others be violent while they bask in their self-proclaimed innocence. Merry band of idiots all of them at this point.BearNIt said:This is why you need to be careful in characterizing all protestors as violent. Apparently not all protestors are alike and some even belong to white supremacist prison gangs which are seeking to take advantage of the situation during these protest.Golden One said:How about Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Harris, and the Congresspersons and Senators from Washington, Oregon, etc. Biden finally came around today, about 2 months late. But I guess prior to today he wasn't aware of all the violence perpetrated by "protesters" in Portland and Seattle, etc. Apparently his basement has no TV. The truth is the truth, whether it is being stated by conservatives or others.sycasey said:LOL. Rarely has reality so quickly clashed with the right-wing narrative.bearister said:
" The leadership of the Democrat party have been eerily silent." Except when it is not silent:
Biden: violent protesters should be 'arrested and tried'
https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/amp/
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-police-identify-umbrella-man-who-helped-incite-george-floyd-riots-warrant-says/ar-BB17iOvO
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/alleged-boogaloo-extremist-hit-with-new-child-exploitation-charge-following-arrest-at-las-vegas-protests/ar-BB17nGVr
I'm sure there are some peaceful protests going on during the day, but let's address what's going on there at night. That's when the trouble starts. Why Portland? Is it considered a soft spot by the thugs? It certainly isn't infamous for anti-black policing. Will these same people ever protest against the daily carnage in Chicago, the great majority of the victims being black? Of course not. Why not? Are you ready to answer why these thugs spend so much time and energy attacking a courthouse in Portland and Oakland, along with the officers defending it instead of protesting against the killing of blacks in Chicago, New York, and other places?
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
Portland protests quiet after federal troops leave:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/portland-protests-latest-peaceful-night-federal-troops-withdrawal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/portland-protests-latest-peaceful-night-federal-troops-withdrawal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/
Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
Maybe conservative groups should try organizing those. If their positions are popular enough they should have no trouble attracting crowds.LMK5 said:Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
He is probably as knowledgeable on this topic as any one of us, meaning not at all. None of us here can pretend to understand the experiences a black person or any other person of color goes through on an individual and daily basis, not as a monolithic entity but as having one of innumerable other characteristics that define our individual identity. Even a black person cannot pretend to speak on behalf of other black people. While there may be some overlapping experiences between people of color, their unique individual experiences beyond those dictated by their skin color are no different from my experience from yours or OTBs even though we are all the same color.Matthew Patel said:LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't.
But is that delusion of empathy unique to the right? Of course not. I had to remind someone you know I consider to be a troll that he was just another "old white dude" who is no better able to speak on behalf of the black urban youth or pretend to know the struggles of minorities than anyone else while he secludes himself from urban youth in his white suburbia. Did that shame him? No, he put that as his signature. And does that stop anyone else here from acting as if they understand how the personal experience of people of color differs from those of someone who is white? No, both sides are moralizing and treating minorities as pawns in debate on who is morally superior.
Protests most frequently target entities where there is a hope to effect an impact through awareness. In the case of protests against police violence, it should be obvious who the targets are and the protests have been effective. Across the country, numerous cities have adopted or are in the process of adopting new procedures. Louisville banned no-knock warrants in the aftermath of the Breonna Taylor killing.LMK5 said:Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
Bernell Trammell, to my knowledge, was not murdered by a police officer or other agent of the state. If there is evidence that he was, please let us all know and organize protests against that action. If he were murdered by the state, that would be a big deal and definitely worth protest. Protests are not generally effective against random acts of violence because they are neither a deterrent nor retributive. Similarly, "protesting" against the "carnage in Chicago" doesn't make sense. The individuals and groups murdering people in Chicago are not susceptible to protest. How would that even work?
If you think that people are doing nothing to address community violence across the country, I guess I would ask if you've looked into it for even a minute. There are regularly vigils for victims and community groups aiming to combat violence. They may not be the most effective, but to assume that nothing is happening because it isn't a "protest" or because right-wing media isn't covering it, would be a mistake. Protest can be a very effective tool, but it's relative to the target of the protests that it can be measured. For example, for years the right wing outrage machine focused on terrorism yet I don't recall a single protest against terrorism. That's because such a protest would be pointless, if not counter-productive.
I wouldn't think this needs explaining, but since you keep bringing it up, I must assume that Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs have failed to mention it.
Well, people like LMK5 are not pretending to be the white savior for the minorities. And whether something is popular (relatively) does not mean it is worthwhile. The protesters who are still protesting to this day two months after the incident are not adding incremental value, especially in the middle of a pandemic.sycasey said:Maybe conservative groups should try organizing those. If their positions are popular enough they should have no trouble attracting crowds.LMK5 said:Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
Hmmm....Jesse Jackson would disagree with you. Or have you forgotten what he said about Obama when Obama tried to emphasize the importance of family and parenthood in reducing inner city violence in the cities.Unit2Sucks said:Protests most frequently target entities where there is a hope to effect an impact through awareness. In the case of protests against police violence, it should be obvious who the targets are and the protests have been effective. Across the country, numerous cities have adopted or are in the process of adopting new procedures. Louisville banned no-knock warrants in the aftermath of the Breonna Taylor killing.LMK5 said:Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
Bernell Trammell, to my knowledge, was not murdered by a police officer or other agent of the state. If there is evidence that he was, please let us all know and organize protests against that action. If he were murdered by the state, that would be a big deal and definitely worth protest. Protests are not generally effective against random acts of violence because they are neither a deterrent nor retributive. Similarly, "protesting" against the "carnage in Chicago" doesn't make sense. The individuals and groups murdering people in Chicago are not susceptible to protest. How would that even work?
If you think that people are doing nothing to address community violence across the country, I guess I would ask if you've looked into it for even a minute. There are regularly vigils for victims and community groups aiming to combat violence. They may not be the most effective, but to assume that nothing is happening because it isn't a "protest" or because right-wing media isn't covering it, would be a mistake. Protest can be a very effective tool, but it's relative to the target of the protests that it can be measured. For example, for years the right wing outrage machine focused on terrorism yet I don't recall a single protest against terrorism. That's because such a protest would be pointless, if not counter-productive.
I wouldn't think this needs explaining, but since you keep bringing it up, I must assume that Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs have failed to mention it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/11/barackobama.uselections2008
https://www.theguardian.com/world/deadlineusa/2008/jul/17/newonethefullforceofjess
Much easier to blame only the country and the government instead of looking at this as a multi-layered problem that requires multi-layered solution.
But you can try to place yourself in situations where you felt fear and lack of control. Like you said there are common experiences that people of color have but even within those common experiences, one may also have unique experiences such as rural vs urban or middle class vs. poor or nuclear family vs. single parent vs. multigenerational families. These unique situations add for the lack of a better word spice to the common experiences. Like a food dish, it may be called the same thing but a little more or less of this spice will change the flavor profile of the dish.calbear93 said:He is probably as knowledgeable on this topic as any one of us, meaning not at all. None of us here can pretend to understand the experiences a black person or any other person of color goes through on an individual and daily basis, not as a monolithic entity but as having one of innumerable other characteristics that define our individual identity. Even a black person cannot pretend to speak on behalf of other black people. While there may be some overlapping experiences between people of color, their unique individual experiences beyond those dictated by their skin color are no different from my experience from yours or OTBs even though we are all the same color.Matthew Patel said:LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't.
But is that delusion of empathy unique to the right? Of course not. I had to remind someone you know I consider to be a troll that he was just another "old white dude" who is no better able to speak on behalf of the black urban youth or pretend to know the struggles of minorities than anyone else while he secludes himself from urban youth in his white suburbia. Did that shame him? No, he put that as his signature. And does that stop anyone else here from acting as if they understand how the personal experience of people of color differs from those of someone who is white? No, both sides are moralizing and treating minorities as pawns in debate on who is morally superior.
Well, you may be an exception. I will take your word for it because you, in your profession. probably see a lot of the results of the violence instead of using it as just a prop for some rhetoric.BearNIt said:I think I have great insight into what is going oncalbear93 said:He is probably as knowledgeable on this topic as any one of us, meaning not at all. None of us here can pretend to understand the experiences a black person or any other person of color goes through on an individual and daily basis, not as a monolithic entity but as having one of innumerable other characteristics that define our individual identity. Even a black person cannot pretend to speak on behalf of other black people. While there may be some overlapping experiences between people of color, their unique individual experiences beyond those dictated by their skin color are no different from my experience from yours or OTBs even though we are all the same color.Matthew Patel said:LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't.
But is that delusion of empathy unique to the right? Of course not. I had to remind someone you know I consider to be a troll that he was just another "old white dude" who is no better able to speak on behalf of the black urban youth or pretend to know the struggles of minorities than anyone else while he secludes himself from urban youth in his white suburbia. Did that shame him? No, he put that as his signature. And does that stop anyone else here from acting as if they understand how the personal experience of people of color differs from those of someone who is white? No, both sides are moralizing and treating minorities as pawns in debate on who is morally superior.
Lest we forget all the cities with homeless drug addicts who piss and **** on city streets.Golden One said:Well, let me point out that the current governors of New Mexico, Nevada, and Louisiana are Democrats. So out of the top 5 states on your list, 3 of them have Democrat governors. The 6 U.S. cities with the highest murder rate, are also run by Democrat mayors. Those cities, in order, are:Unit2Sucks said:Golden One said:New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, Seattle, Portland--all of those cities has a Democrat mayor. It's no coincidence that they currently have crime waves that are out of control. The Democrats are soft on crime and criminals and hate the police. When will the citizens of those cities wise up and stop voting for Democrats? They may be getting lots of free stuff, but they're being killed right and left. The minorities, poor, and homeless in those cities are getting hit particularly hard, which is ironic. The Democrats really don't care about those constituencies; they just want their votes. DeBlasio in NYC is the poster child for totally incompetent Democrat mayors. He should be recalled ASAP.BearForce2 said:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-police-violence-protests-summer-coronavirus
Atlanta, Philly, Houston, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle
Liberalilsm is a mental illness.
Please explain why red states are so much more crime ridden than blue states: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/13/most-dangerous-states-in-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/
Highest crime states:
1. Alaska
2. New Mexico
3. Tennessee
4. Arkansas
5. Nevada
6. Louisiana
7. Alabama
8. Missouri
9. South Carolina
10. Arizona
11. Maryland
12. Oklahoma
Or maybe crime isn't a function of politics but something else? Nah, couldn't be that.
East St. Louis, MO
Chester, PA
St. Louis. MO
Gary, IN
Baltimore, MD
Pine Bluff, AK
Of further interest is the fact that the 20 U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rate are ALL run by Democrat mayors, according to the website Neighborhood Scout. In order, those cities are:
Detroit, MI
Memphis, Tenn
Birmingham, AL
Baltimore MD
Flint, MI
St. Louis, MO
Danville, ILL
Saginaw, MI
Wilmington, DEL
Camden, MJ
Pine Bluff, AK
Kansas City, MO
San Bernardino, CA
Alelxandria, LA
Little Rock, AK
Cleveland, OH
Milwaukee, WI
Stockton, CA
Monroe, LlA
Chester, PA
Now, do you really think it's a coincidence that the 20 cities with the highest violent crime rate, the 6 cities with the highest murder rate, and 3 of the top 5 highest crime states on your list are all run by Democrats? I don't see how any reasonable person could conclude anything but that Democrats are soft on crime and criminals. Recent evidence in NYC, Chicago, Seattle, Atlanta, Washington D.C. and Portland also point to that fact.
Liberalism is a mental illness.
This may be the chicken or the egg kind of thing. I would suspect that the crime rate has a lot to do with economic conditions, with the choice for Democrats based on Democrats at least pretending to care about the lower income (they don't). What, however, is not up for debate is that the Democrats have no better answer for reducing poverty or crime than anyone else based on the party having ruled in those cities for so long, and the crime and poverty no better than before.kelly09 said:Lest we forget all the cities with homeless drug addicts who piss and **** on city streets.Golden One said:Well, let me point out that the current governors of New Mexico, Nevada, and Louisiana are Democrats. So out of the top 5 states on your list, 3 of them have Democrat governors. The 6 U.S. cities with the highest murder rate, are also run by Democrat mayors. Those cities, in order, are:Unit2Sucks said:Golden One said:New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, Seattle, Portland--all of those cities has a Democrat mayor. It's no coincidence that they currently have crime waves that are out of control. The Democrats are soft on crime and criminals and hate the police. When will the citizens of those cities wise up and stop voting for Democrats? They may be getting lots of free stuff, but they're being killed right and left. The minorities, poor, and homeless in those cities are getting hit particularly hard, which is ironic. The Democrats really don't care about those constituencies; they just want their votes. DeBlasio in NYC is the poster child for totally incompetent Democrat mayors. He should be recalled ASAP.BearForce2 said:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-police-violence-protests-summer-coronavirus
Atlanta, Philly, Houston, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle
Liberalilsm is a mental illness.
Please explain why red states are so much more crime ridden than blue states: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/13/most-dangerous-states-in-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/
Highest crime states:
1. Alaska
2. New Mexico
3. Tennessee
4. Arkansas
5. Nevada
6. Louisiana
7. Alabama
8. Missouri
9. South Carolina
10. Arizona
11. Maryland
12. Oklahoma
Or maybe crime isn't a function of politics but something else? Nah, couldn't be that.
East St. Louis, MO
Chester, PA
St. Louis. MO
Gary, IN
Baltimore, MD
Pine Bluff, AK
Of further interest is the fact that the 20 U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rate are ALL run by Democrat mayors, according to the website Neighborhood Scout. In order, those cities are:
Detroit, MI
Memphis, Tenn
Birmingham, AL
Baltimore MD
Flint, MI
St. Louis, MO
Danville, ILL
Saginaw, MI
Wilmington, DEL
Camden, MJ
Pine Bluff, AK
Kansas City, MO
San Bernardino, CA
Alelxandria, LA
Little Rock, AK
Cleveland, OH
Milwaukee, WI
Stockton, CA
Monroe, LlA
Chester, PA
Now, do you really think it's a coincidence that the 20 cities with the highest violent crime rate, the 6 cities with the highest murder rate, and 3 of the top 5 highest crime states on your list are all run by Democrats? I don't see how any reasonable person could conclude anything but that Democrats are soft on crime and criminals. Recent evidence in NYC, Chicago, Seattle, Atlanta, Washington D.C. and Portland also point to that fact.
Liberalism is a mental illness.
We all have experienced fear and lack of control. We all have not, however, in the safety of our expensive houses, experienced fear and lack of control that someone who is black may feel when pulled over by the police or a police may feel not knowing whether they will survive the experience. I have experienced the same fear as a kid living in a lower income apartment and seeing shady characters in the hallway. I have enough humility to know that, while I felt fear and lack of control, I am in no better position to pretend to understand what or why someone may be feeling the same when being pulled over by the police. I also, now being comfortable defending myself in most situation, may not understand the fear and lack of control some old white woman who is not very experienced in diversity may feel seeing black kids at night after having seen those exploitation films from the liberal Hollywood.BearNIt said:But you can try to place yourself in situations where you felt fear and lack of control. Like you said there are common experiences that people of color have but even within those common experiences, one may also have unique experiences such as rural vs urban or middle class vs. poor or nuclear family vs. single parent vs. multigenerational families. These unique situations add for the lack of a better word spice to the common experiences. Like a food dish, it may be called the same thing but a little more or less of this spice will change the flavor profile of the dish.calbear93 said:He is probably as knowledgeable on this topic as any one of us, meaning not at all. None of us here can pretend to understand the experiences a black person or any other person of color goes through on an individual and daily basis, not as a monolithic entity but as having one of innumerable other characteristics that define our individual identity. Even a black person cannot pretend to speak on behalf of other black people. While there may be some overlapping experiences between people of color, their unique individual experiences beyond those dictated by their skin color are no different from my experience from yours or OTBs even though we are all the same color.Matthew Patel said:LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't.
But is that delusion of empathy unique to the right? Of course not. I had to remind someone you know I consider to be a troll that he was just another "old white dude" who is no better able to speak on behalf of the black urban youth or pretend to know the struggles of minorities than anyone else while he secludes himself from urban youth in his white suburbia. Did that shame him? No, he put that as his signature. And does that stop anyone else here from acting as if they understand how the personal experience of people of color differs from those of someone who is white? No, both sides are moralizing and treating minorities as pawns in debate on who is morally superior.
We all need more humility and room to listen to everyone instead of thinking our limited experience gives us some great insight into the human condition or experience of others to the point they can rebuke and moralize to others.
Unfortunately, criminals don't obey gun laws. I doubt that an outright ban on guns would have stopped any of these 101 shootings.BearNIt said:Gun violence is horrible in any community and something should be done inside and outside the communities that are affected by it. Responsible community leaders recognize this and the NRA should recognize this and stop blocking sensible gun laws. Most gun owners recognize this. How many guns does a person need to own?BearForce2 said:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-violence-surging-cities-hitting-communities-color-hardest-n1233269Quote:
101 pairs of shoes and a casket are laid out during a vigil to represent the 101 shooting victims in the 74 gun violence incidents that took place over the past week throughout New York City,
Liberalism is a mental illness.
How could I have forgotten something I was never aware of? I don't pay attention to Jesse Jackson and don't care what he says.calbear93 said:Hmmm....Jesse Jackson would disagree with you. Or have you forgotten what he said about Obama when Obama tried to emphasize the importance of family and parenthood in reducing inner city violence in the cities.Unit2Sucks said:Protests most frequently target entities where there is a hope to effect an impact through awareness. In the case of protests against police violence, it should be obvious who the targets are and the protests have been effective. Across the country, numerous cities have adopted or are in the process of adopting new procedures. Louisville banned no-knock warrants in the aftermath of the Breonna Taylor killing.LMK5 said:Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
Bernell Trammell, to my knowledge, was not murdered by a police officer or other agent of the state. If there is evidence that he was, please let us all know and organize protests against that action. If he were murdered by the state, that would be a big deal and definitely worth protest. Protests are not generally effective against random acts of violence because they are neither a deterrent nor retributive. Similarly, "protesting" against the "carnage in Chicago" doesn't make sense. The individuals and groups murdering people in Chicago are not susceptible to protest. How would that even work?
If you think that people are doing nothing to address community violence across the country, I guess I would ask if you've looked into it for even a minute. There are regularly vigils for victims and community groups aiming to combat violence. They may not be the most effective, but to assume that nothing is happening because it isn't a "protest" or because right-wing media isn't covering it, would be a mistake. Protest can be a very effective tool, but it's relative to the target of the protests that it can be measured. For example, for years the right wing outrage machine focused on terrorism yet I don't recall a single protest against terrorism. That's because such a protest would be pointless, if not counter-productive.
I wouldn't think this needs explaining, but since you keep bringing it up, I must assume that Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs have failed to mention it.
And the black community is trending toward favoring gun ownership rights for the original reasons they were adopted...to arm themselves from what they view as oppressive government. Strange how different policies that one thinks neatly fits in one bucket or another sometimes clash.Golden One said:Unfortunately, criminals don't obey gun laws. I doubt that an outright ban on guns would have stopped any of these 101 shootings.BearNIt said:Gun violence is horrible in any community and something should be done inside and outside the communities that are affected by it. Responsible community leaders recognize this and the NRA should recognize this and stop blocking sensible gun laws. Most gun owners recognize this. How many guns does a person need to own?BearForce2 said:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-violence-surging-cities-hitting-communities-color-hardest-n1233269Quote:
101 pairs of shoes and a casket are laid out during a vigil to represent the 101 shooting victims in the 74 gun violence incidents that took place over the past week throughout New York City,
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456243-actually-gun-restrictions-will-target-the-black-community
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/26/mass-shootings-some-blacks-reject-gun-control-in-face-of-racism-column/2115325001/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/26/black-americans-gun-owners-380162
So you don't think Jesse Jackson has a legitimate voice for the black community? You would rather listen to Beto on racial issues?Unit2Sucks said:How could I have forgotten something I was never aware of? I don't pay attention to Jesse Jackson and don't care what he says.calbear93 said:Hmmm....Jesse Jackson would disagree with you. Or have you forgotten what he said about Obama when Obama tried to emphasize the importance of family and parenthood in reducing inner city violence in the cities.Unit2Sucks said:Protests most frequently target entities where there is a hope to effect an impact through awareness. In the case of protests against police violence, it should be obvious who the targets are and the protests have been effective. Across the country, numerous cities have adopted or are in the process of adopting new procedures. Louisville banned no-knock warrants in the aftermath of the Breonna Taylor killing.LMK5 said:Show me the protests against the carnage in Chicago. Show me the marches showing support for Bernell Trammell. Show me the protests against rising crime in NYC.Matthew Patel said:It's so funny how you see things written in the RWNJ rags that all of these so-called independent thinkers read and you know that soon, the same exact tripe you read somewhere else will eventually make it to a RWNJ near you.LMK5 said:
Where's the protest march to bring attention to the killing of Bernell Trammell, a black man who committed the crime of favoring Trump over Biden? I haven't seen any marches in his name. It's interesting how the protesters pick their enemy of the moment. Look at it for what it is. The thugs are opportunists who have found a way to act out against society during a time they believe they can get away with it. They don't give a rip about anyone. They're angry at their own failings and have found a convenient outlet. Nobody who's breaking stuff at 3AM has a real life.
Is LMK5 particularly knowledgeable about black men in Milwaukee who get killed? Of course he isn't. He's as unknowledgeable about that as any other number of subjects he speaks on. But he's been told what to believe by his "information" sources and now he has something to be outraged about.
Bernell Trammell, to my knowledge, was not murdered by a police officer or other agent of the state. If there is evidence that he was, please let us all know and organize protests against that action. If he were murdered by the state, that would be a big deal and definitely worth protest. Protests are not generally effective against random acts of violence because they are neither a deterrent nor retributive. Similarly, "protesting" against the "carnage in Chicago" doesn't make sense. The individuals and groups murdering people in Chicago are not susceptible to protest. How would that even work?
If you think that people are doing nothing to address community violence across the country, I guess I would ask if you've looked into it for even a minute. There are regularly vigils for victims and community groups aiming to combat violence. They may not be the most effective, but to assume that nothing is happening because it isn't a "protest" or because right-wing media isn't covering it, would be a mistake. Protest can be a very effective tool, but it's relative to the target of the protests that it can be measured. For example, for years the right wing outrage machine focused on terrorism yet I don't recall a single protest against terrorism. That's because such a protest would be pointless, if not counter-productive.
I wouldn't think this needs explaining, but since you keep bringing it up, I must assume that Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs have failed to mention it.
Who do you listen to who also blames lack of parenting leading to more crimes in the urban area? Where are these movements to hold parents just as accountable as the federal government and white people for the inner city violence?
Or maybe Blacks are playing safe and are tired of watching far-right white militias and hate groups arming themselves to the hilt and want to be armed should things like the Tulsa Riots happen again so they can defend themselves and their families. It may not actually be the government they are afraid of.calbear93 said:And the black community is trending toward favoring gun ownership rights for the original reasons they were adopted...to arm themselves from what they view as oppressive government. Strange how different policies that one thinks neatly fits in one bucket or another sometimes clash.Golden One said:Unfortunately, criminals don't obey gun laws. I doubt that an outright ban on guns would have stopped any of these 101 shootings.BearNIt said:Gun violence is horrible in any community and something should be done inside and outside the communities that are affected by it. Responsible community leaders recognize this and the NRA should recognize this and stop blocking sensible gun laws. Most gun owners recognize this. How many guns does a person need to own?BearForce2 said:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-violence-surging-cities-hitting-communities-color-hardest-n1233269Quote:
101 pairs of shoes and a casket are laid out during a vigil to represent the 101 shooting victims in the 74 gun violence incidents that took place over the past week throughout New York City,
Liberalism is a mental illness.
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456243-actually-gun-restrictions-will-target-the-black-community
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/26/mass-shootings-some-blacks-reject-gun-control-in-face-of-racism-column/2115325001/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/26/black-americans-gun-owners-380162
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