In 4 years, during the next presidential election, will this dude be out on the street?

Star this post for yes.

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Star this post for no.

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tRump will pardon him.

When Tucker Carlson is trending on Twitter, it's because hews right

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There is a reason why you don't let 17 year-olds armed with an AR walked down a public street and we saw exactly the reason.

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If the police did their job and disarmed him, citizen's wouldn't have had to try.

Watching video of a White male brandishing a semi automatic walking through police with no response while people are yelling to stop him because he shot somebody and comparing that to the treatment of unarmed Black people is brutal.

Every time a Black person gets shot, the usual suspects come out with what he should have done and "if you do what he did you expect to be shot". Well, if I grabbed a semi automatic and ran toward cops, I'd expect it to be suicide by cop. Not that they wouldn't look at me. Why are they in no fear of him but they fear George Floyd.

* I'm pretty sure he would have been shot with a .50 cal by the National Guard transport as it drove by him (even in the absence of any prior shootings).

hanky1 said:

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When Tucker Carlson is trending on Twitter, it's because hews right

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But these are not the apparent concerns of those who carry off shoes and phones in U-Hauls, kick the unconscious on the pavement, destroy art and sculpture, or seek to torch public buildings with public servants inside.
The point of the mob is to wipe out what it cannot create.
It topples what it can neither match nor even comprehend.
It would erode the very system that ensures it singular freedom, leisure and historic affluence.
The brand of the anarchist is not logic but envy-driven power: to take it, to keep it, and to use it against purported enemies which would otherwise be impossible in times of calm or through the ballot box.
VDH

I'm not surprised at all, but it is interesting how so many on the board are in a hissy-fit over this Rittenhouse kid but have never uttered a dissenting word against the rioters, looters, arsonists, and killers during the ongoing riots in so many cities. The left's rage seems very surgical. You are drowning in your own hypocrisy.

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I'm not surprised at all, but it is interesting how so many on the board are in a hissy-fit over this Rittenhouse kid but have never uttered a dissenting word against the rioters, looters, arsonists, and killers during the ongoing riots in so many cities. The left's rage seems very surgical. You are drowning in your own hypocrisy.

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Because property damage is the same as murder.

There are bad people on both sides amirite?

Curious that outrage over murder is called a hissy fit. Okay.

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hanky1 said:

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When Tucker Carlson is trending on Twitter, it's because hews right

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But these are not the apparent concerns of those who carry off shoes and phones in U-Hauls, kick the unconscious on the pavement, destroy art and sculpture, or seek to torch public buildings with public servants inside.
The point of the mob is to wipe out what it cannot create.
It topples what it can neither match nor even comprehend.
It would erode the very system that ensures it singular freedom, leisure and historic affluence.
The brand of the anarchist is not logic but envy-driven power: to take it, to keep it, and to use it against purported enemies which would otherwise be impossible in times of calm or through the ballot box.
VDH

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I heard a good point on the radio. Whenever a cop does something obviously (well to the sane among us) egregious, the argument is most cops are good and we are asked to consider the best of the cops instead of a few bad apples. Then the same people turnaround and demand we only consider the worst people among the protesters and want them to represent the whole group.

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LMK5 said:

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I'm not surprised at all, but it is interesting how so many on the board are in a hissy-fit over this Rittenhouse kid but have never uttered a dissenting word against the rioters, looters, arsonists, and killers during the ongoing riots in so many cities. The left's rage seems very surgical. You are drowning in your own hypocrisy.

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Because property damage is the same as murder.

There are bad people on both sides amirite?

Curious that outrage over murder is called a hissy fit. Okay.

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Really? Where was your outrage when a black man holding a Trump sign was gunned down? Show me your posts of condemnation. https://www.wkrg.com/national/black-trump-supporter-shot-killed-outside-his-business/

Show me your posts of outrage when people were killed in CHOP/CHAZ despite warnings of what would happen if authorities didn't take control:https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-shooting-capitol-hill-chop-chaz/281-48392a9e-d760-42f3-9469-c99466ed7a9f

Where's your outrage when a federal officer is killed in your hometown for Christ sakes?: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-identify-federal-officer-killed-oakland-during-george-floyd-protest-n1220516

Of course no one expects you to shed a tear when the Alameda courthouse is set on fire in, once again, your own hometown:https://ktla.com/news/california/alameda-county-superior-courthouse-set-on-fire-by-agitators-during-oakland-protest/

It's just pathetic that you and your power-to-the-people brethren can't yield one inch, even when the anarchy and destruction affects your neighbors in your own damn backyard.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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I'm not surprised at all, but it is interesting how so many on the board are in a hissy-fit over this Rittenhouse kid but have never uttered a dissenting word against the rioters, looters, arsonists, and killers during the ongoing riots in so many cities. The left's rage seems very surgical. You are drowning in your own hypocrisy.

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Because property damage is the same as murder.

There are bad people on both sides amirite?

Curious that outrage over murder is called a hissy fit. Okay.

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Really? Where was your outrage when a black man holding a Trump sign was gunned down? Show me your posts of condemnation. https://www.wkrg.com/national/black-trump-supporter-shot-killed-outside-his-business/

Show me your posts of outrage when people were killed in CHOP/CHAZ despite warnings of what would happen if authorities didn't take control:https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-shooting-capitol-hill-chop-chaz/281-48392a9e-d760-42f3-9469-c99466ed7a9f

Where's your outrage when a federal officer is killed in your hometown for Christ sakes?: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-identify-federal-officer-killed-oakland-during-george-floyd-protest-n1220516

Of course no one expects you to shed a tear when the Alameda courthouse is set on fire in, once again, your own hometown:https://ktla.com/news/california/alameda-county-superior-courthouse-set-on-fire-by-agitators-during-oakland-protest/

It's just pathetic that you and your power-to-the-people brethren can't yield one inch, even when the anarchy and destruction affects your neighbors in your own damn backyard.

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Thank you for speaking the truth, LMK5. The leftists on this site have blinders on (or they are blind) when it comes to BLM (Burning, Looting, and Murder) committed by leftist radical anarchists. If you commit serious crimes in the name of socialist causes, you're just fine with them. Such hypocrites!


Liberalism is a mental illness.

Honestly I feel bad for the kid. According to an article I read, he doesn't seem like a sociopath or a monster. Just a misguided kid who sort of became radicalized by right wing rhetoric. Front row viewer at a recent Trump rally. Idolized police, did some volunteering, was a lifeguard at the YMCA. Comes from a single parent household and just a few years ago was bullied in high school for his intelligence. It's remarkable how many of these teen killers were bullied in school although maybe that just speaks to how prevalent bullying is.

I don't think the kid went to Kenosha to kill people. I do think he got caught on a slippery slope - when you show up with an AR-15 to a situation like you did, this is not an exceptionally rare outcome. I think he was failed by his culture and unfortunately he's going to have to deal with the consequences, as are the families of the 2 people he murdered.

This is a perfect example of why gun control is relevant. A kid like him has no business owning an AR-15 or being able to carry it in public. It sounds like open carry of a long rifle is legal for a kid in Wisconsin. He probably broke Illinois law and it will be interesting to hear how he acquire the weapon.

I think this is just sad all around.

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kelly09 said:

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hanky1 said:

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When Tucker Carlson is trending on Twitter, it's because hews right

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But these are not the apparent concerns of those who carry off shoes and phones in U-Hauls, kick the unconscious on the pavement, destroy art and sculpture, or seek to torch public buildings with public servants inside.
The point of the mob is to wipe out what it cannot create.
It topples what it can neither match nor even comprehend.
It would erode the very system that ensures it singular freedom, leisure and historic affluence.
The brand of the anarchist is not logic but envy-driven power: to take it, to keep it, and to use it against purported enemies which would otherwise be impossible in times of calm or through the ballot box.
VDH

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I heard a good point on the radio. Whenever a cop does something obviously (well to the sane among us) egregious, the argument is most cops are good and we are asked to consider the best of the cops instead of a few bad apples. Then the same people turnaround and demand we only consider the worst people among the protesters and want them to represent the whole group.

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Wrong! I don't recall anyone on this site condemning peaceful protesters. The fact is that peaceful protesters don't commit acts of violence, arson, looting, or murder. What we've seen in Portland during the past 90 days are not peaceful protesters; they are violent anarchists who just want to destroy everything in their path. The vast majority of people causing mayhem in Kenosha, WI, in recent days are not peaceful protesters. Ditto for Minneapolis, Atlanta, Seattle, New York City, and even Oakland in recent months. Face it--peaceful protesters have been overwhelmed and overtaken by violent anarchists in all of these cases. Peaceful protesters themselves have been highly critical of the thugs who have tarnished and trivialized their causes. Why can't you?


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Honestly I feel bad for the kid. According to an article I read, he doesn't seem like a sociopath or a monster. Just a misguided kid who sort of became radicalized by right wing rhetoric. Front row viewer at a recent Trump rally. Idolized police, did some volunteering, was a lifeguard at the YMCA. Comes from a single parent household and just a few years ago was bullied in high school for his intelligence. It's remarkable how many of these teen killers were bullied in school although maybe that just speaks to how prevalent bullying is.

I don't think the kid went to Kenosha to kill people. I do think he got caught on a slippery slope - when you show up with an AR-15 to a situation like you did, this is not an exceptionally rare outcome. I think he was failed by his culture and unfortunately he's going to have to deal with the consequences, as are the families of the 2 people he murdered.

This is a perfect example of why gun control is relevant. A kid like him has no business owning an AR-15 or being able to carry it in public. It sounds like open carry of a long rifle is legal for a kid in Wisconsin. He probably broke Illinois law and it will be interesting to hear how he acquire the weapon.

I think this is just sad all around.

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I agree this is a sad situation. But if the mayor in Kenosha was doing his job of controlling the violence, arson, etc., maybe the kid wouldn't have felt the need to act on his own. Spineless and weak political leaders who refuse to even try to quell violence are ultimately responsible.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

Says the brain-dead shill for the party of "Personal Responsibility". I get it: IOIYAR, Ami right, Onenote?

LMK5 said:

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LMK5 said:

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I'm not surprised at all, but it is interesting how so many on the board are in a hissy-fit over this Rittenhouse kid but have never uttered a dissenting word against the rioters, looters, arsonists, and killers during the ongoing riots in so many cities. The left's rage seems very surgical. You are drowning in your own hypocrisy.

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Because property damage is the same as murder.

There are bad people on both sides amirite?

Curious that outrage over murder is called a hissy fit. Okay.

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Really? Where was your outrage when a black man holding a Trump sign was gunned down? Show me your posts of condemnation. https://www.wkrg.com/national/black-trump-supporter-shot-killed-outside-his-business/

Show me your posts of outrage when people were killed in CHOP/CHAZ despite warnings of what would happen if authorities didn't take control:https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-shooting-capitol-hill-chop-chaz/281-48392a9e-d760-42f3-9469-c99466ed7a9f

Where's your outrage when a federal officer is killed in your hometown for Christ sakes?: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-identify-federal-officer-killed-oakland-during-george-floyd-protest-n1220516

Of course no one expects you to shed a tear when the Alameda courthouse is set on fire in, once again, your own hometown:https://ktla.com/news/california/alameda-county-superior-courthouse-set-on-fire-by-agitators-during-oakland-protest/

It's just pathetic that you and your power-to-the-people brethren can't yield one inch, even when the anarchy and destruction affects your neighbors in your own damn backyard.

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To my knowledge, there are no suspects in any of the killings you are asking about. That's a pretty big distinction. This thread is really about the Killer, not the people he killed. I don't think anyone has condoned or glorified those other killings - we just don't really have much to go on.

I don't know what makes the first one any different from the thousands of people who are gunned down each year that you don't care about. An african-american sitting in a lawn chair in front of his business was shot in broad daylight. Are you saying that because he happened to be a Trump fan that it should be covered differently? Despite your claim, the article made it sound like he wasn't even carrying a Trump sign or engaging in pro-Trump activity at that time, he was literally just sitting in a chair in front of his store. It sounds like he made pro Trump signs and may have carried them at other times. I think it's curious and hope they find the killer but this sounds like a pretty non-descript drive-by killing, unless you have information to the contrary. I believe 2nd amendment fans tell us that this is the price of freedom.

Rittenhouse's shootings are on video and under extremely strange circumstances. He is a high school kid who drove up from Illinois to get involved. He was encouraged by the police to walk around with his AR-15. He killed people and then walked towards the police with his hands up and they did nothing.

You don't see why this is a compelling story?

Wasn't the federal officer killing in Oakland by a Boogoloo boy?

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Honestly I feel bad for the kid. According to an article I read, he doesn't seem like a sociopath or a monster. Just a misguided kid who sort of became radicalized by right wing rhetoric. Front row viewer at a recent Trump rally. Idolized police, did some volunteering, was a lifeguard at the YMCA. Comes from a single parent household and just a few years ago was bullied in high school for his intelligence. It's remarkable how many of these teen killers were bullied in school although maybe that just speaks to how prevalent bullying is.

I don't think the kid went to Kenosha to kill people. I do think he got caught on a slippery slope - when you show up with an AR-15 to a situation like you did, this is not an exceptionally rare outcome. I think he was failed by his culture and unfortunately he's going to have to deal with the consequences, as are the families of the 2 people he murdered.

This is a perfect example of why gun control is relevant. A kid like him has no business owning an AR-15 or being able to carry it in public. It sounds like open carry of a long rifle is legal for a kid in Wisconsin. He probably broke Illinois law and it will be interesting to hear how he acquire the weapon.

I think this is just sad all around.

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I agree this is a sad situation. But if the mayor in Kenosha was doing his job of controlling the violence, arson, etc., maybe the kid wouldn't have felt the need to act on his own. Spineless and weak political leaders who refuse to even try to quell violence are ultimately responsible.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Kenosha is a small city. They have a handful of murders per year, it's not Syria. This idea that every city in America should have a strongman mayor or Judge Dredd to extra-judicially enforce the law is unsettling, to say the least. Is that the kind of city you think everyone in America wants to live in?

There is plenty of blame to go around here, but I don't think you have any rational basis to conclude that a lack of strength from the mayor is what allowed this tragedy to occur. There are any number of steps that precipitated this, but I would probably start by asking why it is that the police force encouraged a kid to walk around with an AR-15 amongst armored vehicles and police commandos.

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Wasn't the federal officer killing in Oakland by a Boogoloo boy?

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My mistake for not connecting the dots (I read LMK5's link but didn't realize it was one of the boogaloo killings). Yes, it was some boogaloo nutjobs (including active duty Air Force) who came to Oakland to kill cops.

So, I guess to SBGold's point, there was plenty of outrage on the Oakland killing.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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I'm not surprised at all, but it is interesting how so many on the board are in a hissy-fit over this Rittenhouse kid but have never uttered a dissenting word against the rioters, looters, arsonists, and killers during the ongoing riots in so many cities. The left's rage seems very surgical. You are drowning in your own hypocrisy.

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Because property damage is the same as murder.

There are bad people on both sides amirite?

Curious that outrage over murder is called a hissy fit. Okay.

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Really? Where was your outrage when a black man holding a Trump sign was gunned down? Show me your posts of condemnation. https://www.wkrg.com/national/black-trump-supporter-shot-killed-outside-his-business/

Show me your posts of outrage when people were killed in CHOP/CHAZ despite warnings of what would happen if authorities didn't take control:https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-shooting-capitol-hill-chop-chaz/281-48392a9e-d760-42f3-9469-c99466ed7a9f

Where's your outrage when a federal officer is killed in your hometown for Christ sakes?: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-identify-federal-officer-killed-oakland-during-george-floyd-protest-n1220516

Of course no one expects you to shed a tear when the Alameda courthouse is set on fire in, once again, your own hometown:https://ktla.com/news/california/alameda-county-superior-courthouse-set-on-fire-by-agitators-during-oakland-protest/

It's just pathetic that you and your power-to-the-people brethren can't yield one inch, even when the anarchy and destruction affects your neighbors in your own damn backyard.

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To my knowledge, there are no suspects in any of the killings you are asking about. That's a pretty big distinction. This thread is really about the Killer, not the people he killed. I don't think anyone has condoned or glorified those other killings - we just don't really have much to go on.

I don't know what makes the first one any different from the thousands of people who are gunned down each year that you don't care about. An african-american sitting in a lawn chair in front of his business was shot in broad daylight. Are you saying that because he happened to be a Trump fan that it should be covered differently? Despite your claim, the article made it sound like he wasn't even carrying a Trump sign or engaging in pro-Trump activity at that time, he was literally just sitting in a chair in front of his store. It sounds like he made pro Trump signs and may have carried them at other times. I think it's curious and hope they find the killer but this sounds like a pretty non-descript drive-by killing, unless you have information to the contrary. I believe 2nd amendment fans tell us that this is the price of freedom.

Rittenhouse's shootings are on video and under extremely strange circumstances. He is a high school kid who drove up from Illinois to get involved. He was encouraged by the police to walk around with his AR-15. He killed people and then walked towards the police with his hands up and they did nothing.

You don't see why this is a compelling story?

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It is a compelling story. The question is, would it be just as compelling to the media if he were a left wing nut who did exactly the same thing? You and everyone else who's breathing knows the answer. If that black man were holding a BLM sign and was gunned down in broad daylight you don't think the media would've made a grand spectacle of it? No stores were looted or burned precisely because of that Trump sign, suspect or not. Do you think just because there isn't a suspect that that would affect the media's coverage or the extent (or lack of) outrage on this board? As Joe would say: come on man!

Take a step back. The denial and lack of condemnation from the Democrats is going to make this a 50/50 race when it should be a slam dunk for Biden.