LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did. Now that Trump and Co. has departed the scene, they've lost that treasure trove of meat into which they can sink their teeth. The solution? Eat your own.

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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The question is: Would these allegations have come to light 90 days ago?

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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The question is: Would these allegations have come to light 90 days ago?

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Not sure that's provable one way or the other.

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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The question is: Would these allegations have come to light 90 days ago?

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Not sure that's provable one way or the other.

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But we can make a pretty good guess, right?

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bearister said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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BearForce2 said:

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NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo accused by third woman of unwanted sexual advances.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/third-woman-accuses-cuomo

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Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Cuomo should make them impeach him. Don't be a p@ussy like Al Franken and resign.

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What did Franken do, anyways?
That picture of him putting his hands on a woman's boobs as she slept, as a joke? That's it?

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" On November 16, 2017, talk-radio host Leeann Tweeden alleged in a blog post and an interview with her radio station, 790 KABC, that Franken forcibly kissed her on a 2006 USO tour during a rehearsal for a skit. She wrote, "I said 'OK' so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth."[117] She said she pushed him away, feeling "disgusted and violated".[117] Longtime Donald Trump associate Roger Stone circulated news of the allegations to right-wing media.[118]

During the 2006 tour, Franken was photographed holding his hands above Tweeden's breasts while she was asleep wearing body armor and a helmet.[119] In Franken's defense, CNBC's John Harwood said, "That pic was obviously a joke, not groping, just like LeeAnn Tweeden wrapping her leg around Robin Williams and smacking his butt; entertainment for soldiers deployed overseas is raunchy like that."[120][121] Harwood was referring to video taken of Tweeden "humping" the married Williams on a similar 2004 USO tour.[122]

In response, Franken said, "I certainly don't remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann ... As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn't. I shouldn't have done it."[123] A few hours later, Franken issued a longer apology,[124] which Tweeden accepted.[125]

In the days that followed, seven additional women came forward with allegations of inappropriate behavior during photo ops. Lindsay Menz accused Franken of touching her clothed buttocks while they posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010.[126][127] Two anonymous women made similar complaints related to events during political events.[128] Franken apologized, saying, "I've met tens of thousands of people and taken thousands of photographs, often in crowded and chaotic situations. I'm a warm person; I hug people. I've learned from recent stories that in some of those encounters, I crossed a line for some womenand I know that any number is too many."[129] Another anonymous woman said that after she was a guest on Franken's radio show in 2006, Franken leaned in toward her face during a handshake and gave her "a wet, open-mouthed kiss" on the cheek when she turned away.[130][131] The same day, Stephanie Kemplin, an army veteran, told CNN that Franken held the side of her breast for 5 to 10 seconds "and never moved his hand" while posing for a photograph[132] with her during a 2003 USO tour in Iraq.[133]" Wikipedia

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did. Now that Trump and Co. has departed the scene, they've lost that treasure trove of meat into which they can sink their teeth. The solution? Eat your own.

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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Maybe I should to.
Or maybe one of you two believable fellows can summarize the Cuomo situation for me.
Is he in the wrong? What did he do?

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okaydo said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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Maybe I should to.
Or maybe one of you two believable fellows can summarize the Cuomo situation for me.
Is he in the wrong? What did he do?

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To sum up: Chris Cuomo is kind of like Donald Trump, but with the ability to not look like an a-hole in public. He's always been sh*tty, bullying, corrupt, thin-skinned. But the behavior of him and his subordinates has always been terrible behind the scenes. And that behavior has made its way to print media. But in public -- as in, on TV-- he's been charismatic and humble while looking the kind of firm, strong leader that New Yorkers love. While the print media blasted him for his terrible handling of the covid crisis, on TV he was seen as such a great leader that the International Emmys decided to give him a special award. The sh*tty leadership during the covid crisis has finally started catching up to him. And so, he threatened a Democratic lawmaker. Unlike other Democratic lawmakers who've been bullied, that Democratic lawmaker decided to go public -- as in, on TV. And him going public was what was needed for other people to go public with their allegations. And it's snowballed into something Cuomo can't stop this time.

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LMK5 said:

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dajo9 said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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The question is: Would these allegations have come to light 90 days ago? Not a chance. He was a national rock star being touted as a possible POTUS candidate, even while his nursing home fiasco was already known.

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What do you care about these allegations? Worse was alleged of Trump and you don't care. You only care that he is a Democrat.

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You're getting better and better at sidestepping.

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Hope Rides Again said:

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okaydo said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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The lefty folks I knew in New York definitely did not have a high opinion of Cuomo prior to the pandemic.

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But the press surely did.

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You should probably read okaydo's posts above.

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Maybe I should to.
Or maybe one of you two believable fellows can summarize the Cuomo situation for me.
Is he in the wrong? What did he do?

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To sum up: Chris Cuomo

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Andrew Cuomo, you fscking twit

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

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Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

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Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

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I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

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Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

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Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

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Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

---

I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

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Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

---

Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

---

I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

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Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

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Here's what I think we saw with Cuomo: a guy who had a relatively brief period of very favorable coverage because he put on a good TV performance in the early months of the pandemic. If you look outside of that narrow window of time, you see a guy who's had a lot of issues, all of it also reported in the press -- it's just that before COVID it wasn't at a time when everyone was looking, outside of maybe locals in NY. However, the fact that he got such major national coverage also meant that the next big Cuomo scandal was also going to get outsized coverage, because now he's a bigger name and a potential national player, not just a local governor dealing with local problems. He brought on the greater scrutiny and now will suffer the consequences.

Same s*** can happen on either side of the aisle.

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I agree with you. If you're going to get praise and publicity you also become that much more of a target for those trying to make an name for themselves in journalism. But his Covid record was not good from the start. Why did they overlook that? Would a Ron DeSantis have any hope--no matter the accomplishment--of getting positive press coverage from those that were swooning over Cuomo?

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

---

Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

---

I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

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Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

---

Here's what I think we saw with Cuomo: a guy who had a relatively brief period of very favorable coverage because he put on a good TV performance in the early months of the pandemic. If you look outside of that narrow window of time, you see a guy who's had a lot of issues, all of it also reported in the press -- it's just that before COVID it wasn't at a time when everyone was looking, outside of maybe locals in NY. However, the fact that he got such major national coverage also meant that the next big Cuomo scandal was also going to get outsized coverage, because now he's a bigger name and a potential national player, not just a local governor dealing with local problems. He brought on the greater scrutiny and now will suffer the consequences.

Same s*** can happen on either side of the aisle.

---

I agree with you. If you're going to get praise and publicity you also become that much more of a target for those trying to make an name for themselves in journalism. But his Covid record was not good from the start. Why did they overlook that? Would a Ron DeSantis have any hope--no matter the accomplishment--of getting positive press coverage from those that were swooning over Cuomo?

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

---

Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

---

I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

---

Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

---

Here's what I think we saw with Cuomo: a guy who had a relatively brief period of very favorable coverage because he put on a good TV performance in the early months of the pandemic. If you look outside of that narrow window of time, you see a guy who's had a lot of issues, all of it also reported in the press -- it's just that before COVID it wasn't at a time when everyone was looking, outside of maybe locals in NY. However, the fact that he got such major national coverage also meant that the next big Cuomo scandal was also going to get outsized coverage, because now he's a bigger name and a potential national player, not just a local governor dealing with local problems. He brought on the greater scrutiny and now will suffer the consequences.

Same s*** can happen on either side of the aisle.

---

I agree with you. If you're going to get praise and publicity you also become that much more of a target for those trying to make an name for themselves in journalism. But his Covid record was not good from the start. Why did they overlook that? Would a Ron DeSantis have any hope--no matter the accomplishment--of getting positive press coverage from those that were swooning over Cuomo?

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DeSantis deserves no special praise, as Florida's COVID response has been thoroughly average. (Middle of the pack in deaths per capita, worse than California.) Hawaii has actually done the best, why don't we talk about them?

I think people gave Cuomo the benefit of the doubt with his state getting hit so hard early in the pandemic, plus there is a lot of media focused on NYC, plus as I said he performed well on TV. But eventually the bad stuff came out, as it usually does.

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

---

Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

---

I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

---

Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

---

Here's what I think we saw with Cuomo: a guy who had a relatively brief period of very favorable coverage because he put on a good TV performance in the early months of the pandemic. If you look outside of that narrow window of time, you see a guy who's had a lot of issues, all of it also reported in the press -- it's just that before COVID it wasn't at a time when everyone was looking, outside of maybe locals in NY. However, the fact that he got such major national coverage also meant that the next big Cuomo scandal was also going to get outsized coverage, because now he's a bigger name and a potential national player, not just a local governor dealing with local problems. He brought on the greater scrutiny and now will suffer the consequences.

Same s*** can happen on either side of the aisle.

---

I agree with you. If you're going to get praise and publicity you also become that much more of a target for those trying to make an name for themselves in journalism. But his Covid record was not good from the start. Why did they overlook that? Would a Ron DeSantis have any hope--no matter the accomplishment--of getting positive press coverage from those that were swooning over Cuomo?

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DeSantis deserves no special praise, as Florida's COVID response has been thoroughly average. (Middle of the pack in deaths per capita, worse than California.) Hawaii has actually done the best, why don't we talk about them?

I think people gave Cuomo the benefit of the doubt with his state getting hit so hard early in the pandemic, plus there is a lot of media focused on NYC, plus as I said he performed well on TV. But eventually the bad stuff came out, as it usually does.

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I agree. Question: Would Cuomo have garnered the same positive attention if he happened to be a Republican?

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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concordtom said:

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Funny. Cuomo addressing the kissing on TV now. He said, that's my way of greeting people, and it was my father's way.
My grandfather, who started the culture on my mom's side of the family, as I explained above, was also from Brooklyn.
Like I was saying, some of this was always just about culture.
Culture is changing here in the US. To the extent this is merely about kissing in a greeting, it is a ripple in that sea change movement, which above Cuomo's behavior has many many grabbing women, pressuring women, etc.
It's a needed change - I'm not trying to minimize it in full - but when you compare the political attack on Cuomo vs Trump's behavior, it's NIGHT and DAY.

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Why do these allegations from the women come out now? What was the trigger?

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I know you're not interested in reading anything. But if you really want to learn, read the article I posted here.

Basically, like a lot of powerful bosses who've been brought down in recent years (Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves,...) they are held up by a powerful network of allies and enforcers that make sure loyal people stay loyal.

Read the article. It'll take a few minutes of your life.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/99299/replies/1856258

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Yes I read the post where you cited many instances of newspapers taking shots at Cuomo. My question is, how does that nullify what the vast majority of Americans have seen over the past year? Just because print media has a more educated audience and has the space to get into more detail on matters, it doesn't mean that what the mass media serves up is irrelevant. You can't say that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and the committee that awards Emmys are also among the "network of allies and enforcers."

He was nominated for Time's Person of the Year for Christ sake. Is change.org also one of those allies and enforcers? Here's a plea from that site to give Cuomo the Time award. It's dripping with admiration: change.org plea

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Clearly, the mass media as a whole has been portraying Cuomo as a guy who's been getting the job done; as a guy to look up to as an example of leadership during these trying times. Nothing you post can change that. It's the impression that the media has successfully conveyed to the American public. Just because articles were written that expose a darker side it doesn't invalidate the overwhelming impression the media has purposefully fed to America as a whole for the past year.

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Here's what I think we saw with Cuomo: a guy who had a relatively brief period of very favorable coverage because he put on a good TV performance in the early months of the pandemic. If you look outside of that narrow window of time, you see a guy who's had a lot of issues, all of it also reported in the press -- it's just that before COVID it wasn't at a time when everyone was looking, outside of maybe locals in NY. However, the fact that he got such major national coverage also meant that the next big Cuomo scandal was also going to get outsized coverage, because now he's a bigger name and a potential national player, not just a local governor dealing with local problems. He brought on the greater scrutiny and now will suffer the consequences.

Same s*** can happen on either side of the aisle.

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I agree with you. If you're going to get praise and publicity you also become that much more of a target for those trying to make an name for themselves in journalism. But his Covid record was not good from the start. Why did they overlook that? Would a Ron DeSantis have any hope--no matter the accomplishment--of getting positive press coverage from those that were swooning over Cuomo?

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DeSantis deserves no special praise, as Florida's COVID response has been thoroughly average. (Middle of the pack in deaths per capita, worse than California.) Hawaii has actually done the best, why don't we talk about them?

I think people gave Cuomo the benefit of the doubt with his state getting hit so hard early in the pandemic, plus there is a lot of media focused on NYC, plus as I said he performed well on TV. But eventually the bad stuff came out, as it usually does.

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I agree. Question: Would Cuomo have garnered the same positive attention if he happened to be a Republican?

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LMK5 said:

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You know, you might have something there. I've always considered myself as one of the grown-ups around here.

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