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Shocky1;842611172 said:


left to right, tyrone "the captain" wallace, kameron "putback" rooks, jordan "en fuego" mathews, roger "the chaser" moute a bidias & sam "grand theft larceny" singer...ivan "oaktown" rabb not pictured as he was doing interviews & patiently signing autographs near the cal bench after the game for the young ones

gameday started on an ominous note as the bears rode in a luxury coach bus 1000 yards from the hilton garden inn to the ugly azz concrete dome of doom...yeah i walked in laramie's 29% temps with the sun on my back to the arena with my jimmy john's ham & cheese sandwich (extra lettuce & tomatoes, no chips, cookies or soft drink)

and then josh adams (who constantly talks/whines the whole game) starts knocking down shots from all over the court to get the yellow clad wyoming crowd amped up...sitting in the 1st row behind the cal bench both marcus green & myself yelled at the refs the entire game re: adams illegally pushing off with his non dribbling hand/forearm to create separation

the bears employed multiple guys trying to slow down adams & the most effective chaser was roger "lion king" roger moute a bidias who utilized his length & quickness...roger is in a very good place right now playing within his skill set in defending at a very high level, crashing the boards for potential rebounds & knocking down the occasional wide open 3 point shot

jordan mathews endured a cold shooting afternoon but crucified his soul in overtime to lead the bears to victory with ice in his veins moneyballs with ivan & jaylen already fouled out in regulation

t-wall once again kept the team together during the cowboys runs & scored 23 points on 10-22 fgs, 6 assists & 6 boards

jaylen brown is frustrated right now, his body language is a little bit off, but i expect him to continue to mature & play thru this rough stretch as an incoming freshman...a little meditation with a focus upon visualizing positive outcome is all brown really needs

i saw & heard the postgame handshake line conversation between coach martin & coach shyatt (who like his star player adams also is an insufferable bitchy queen) and i'm not gonna tell you what shyatt said but there's absolutely no reason for the cal basketball program to ever return to laramie anytime in the next decade or two

them california golden bears competed & stayed together as a team in crunch time...now if they could only make a simple entry lob pass to young ivee but that's for another day...the magnficient 2nd half lob from t-wall to ivan which resulted in a 3 point play should be model gameplan play for this season

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Was what Shyatt said that bad that you can't even say anything specific about it? FWIW: It absolutely did not look anything like that in the body language of either of them. Of course, Cuonzo, being among the wisest men on the planet, could very well have just not taken the bait, and let Shyatt morally hang himself.
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mikecohen;842611180 said:

Was what Shyatt said that bad that you can't even say anything specific about it? FWIW: It absolutely did not look anything like that in the body language of either of them. Of course, Cuonzo, being among the wisest men on the planet, could very well have just not taken the bait, and let Shyatt morally hang himself.


OH Martin had a "WTF you talking about Bro?" look on his face. But if you follow the Aztecs you know this guy whines all the time. I hate the cowpokes.
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"it was a big win for our program to be able to find a way to win a game on the road going into overtime in a hostile, tough environment with the altitude and everything going against you against a team that grinds you out and plays a physical brand...they pressure you and force you into off balance shots...you have to be patient and be aggressive...you have to make plays...road games are very tough...to play at the level the way larry shyatt coaches this team, we knew it would be tough, but we found a way to get a win especially with key guys fouling out"

"those guys (the bench) played well...jabari had 6 points and made two 3s...roger did a tremendous job in defending...adams is a big time player, we knew that...we knew he is a high level player that takes good shots and makes big plays...sam did a great job coming off the bench and making 3s, attacking the rim and making plays...that's what it's about when you're a team...you have your experienced guys that are battled tested that find ways to win the game"

"you learn every game...you have a talented team but you still have new parts learning how to gel together...it takes time and the best way to learn is in games...it's hard to learn and get a good gauge in practice...when you get in live game situations, you learn to make decisions...we learned and we grew up a little bit today"

-coach martin




this is cal basketball#
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frozen hair (too much hair spray)#
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Shocky1;842529201 said:




the fashion police: what not to wear

sammy, what up with the cal basketball shorts at the beach?

roman, wearing a high school prom cummerbund around the waist is a beach fashion nightmare, you might not know how to speak australian but that outfit is speaking volumes in any language

jaylen rockin' the stylish tapered trunks with the simple drawstring & the clean shades, no wonder them curvy brunette yoga girls wanna talk to you

huf, are you gonna audition for jersey boys with the accessorized gold chain?...where's paulie?

ivan, not sure that foot locker beachwear is working for you the same way you work around the basket

shut up, shocky#


coach hufnagel pulls it together today with the manhattan styled on point cosmo kraemer man about town sportscoat with splashes of purple in fashion trend setting laramie...the rest of us just tried to stay warm

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laramie, wyoming is not the best road trip in the history of cal basketball

maui & sydney>>>>>>>>>>>>laramie>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tuscon is a dump>>>>county lock up




don't be a dumb azz#
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Shocky1;842553605 said:



the draftexpress.com (which is written by guys with zero nba backgrounds whose primary jobs are working security for the gap) is of the opinion that 4 of the top 7 nba prospects in the pac 12 are california golden bears
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Top-NBA-Prospects-in-the-Pac-12-Part-Seven-Prospects-17-20-5245

but make no mistake about it, jordan "en fuego" mathews is the best shooter in the pac...there's something transcendently epic that freezes time forever when mathews squares up his shoulders & releases his 3 pointers with perfect rotation into the haas airspace, i can't breathe...let it fly, baby, let's do this




nothing to lose#


jordan mathews is an alpha male, he got his azz kicked for 40 minutes but stayed mentally strong & blistered the cowboys for 11 critical points in the 5 minutes overtime
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bobby hurley's "off to the races" asu's sun devils ruined #18 ranked texas a&m's vacation to tempe 67-54
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[SIZE=5]Who was the defensive MVP of the win over Wyoming?
No question, that would be Mr. [COLOR="#0000CD"]Roger Moute A Bidas[/COLOR]
And how important was his lock down performance against Wyoming's gun?
Clearly the difference between a W and a L[/SIZE]



[SIZE=5]2014-15 Honorable mention Pac-12 All-Academic

Native of Yaounde, Cameroon. Parents are Camille Moute a Bidias and Agnes Bertine Gonfane a Ziem Eps Moute younger brother of former Division I standouts Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (UCLA) and Emmanuel Bidias a Moute (UCSB and Texas State)[/SIZE]

[video=youtube;cODkSAbsBkg][/video]
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let's be real here, everybody knows that taylor (who can't wait to see her "squad" again) can make a better entry lob pass than any of them california golden bears



in watching every second of cal basketball live this season from only a couple of feet away from the action there have been 100+ potential scoring opportunities when young ivee & lately kam too have successfully sealed their fronting defender yet the bears have been too tentative to make the entry lob passes for the strong high percentage finishes when they release...the bears passers are indecisively freezing/hesitating for a split second & then the flashing opportunity is gone

not only is this costing the bears much needed mismatch points (and foul trouble for the opposing bigs) around the bucket but it's also resulting in poor spacing & low percentage contested 3 point shots as teams realize the bears aren't gonna make the necessary passes to feed the bigs...this is a recipe for a mediocre season in berkeley

this is the BIGGEST issue facing the cal basketball program right now...if they do not start working/practicing harder to execute this basic basketball fundamental, the entry lob pass, they are not gonna make the ncca tournament again this season as the losses pile up...it's really that simple, this team will not be consistently successful without a much more effective inside game & it all starts with passing fundamentals

this opportunity is available on almost every offensive sequence, yet the bears continue to fail to make this happen

the highlight of the wyoming game was in the 2nd half when t-wall attacked the paint & then made the magnificent lob entry pass to young ivee for the basket, foul & 3 point play...i almost cried out of joy when they happened, this play is the roadmap to cal becoming an elite basketball team that takes advantage of ivan rabb's amazing ability/skill set to finish, the low number of shots he's getting each game is unacceptable

taylor's gonna be with her crazy azz dad at the coppin state game on saturday december 19th & we're gonna take the floor during the pregame warmups to properly demonstrate to you clowns the entry lob pass if you guys don't get your heads out of your azzs by then to figure this out, ok?

taylor & i love all of them california golden bears but love isn't gonna get them any wins, entry lob passes to ivan rabb is the ticket to a deep run in the tournament



basic ******* fundamentals#
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We have also turned the ball over many times on attempted entry passes.

The one thing I do not recall is seeing a bounce pass...
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[SIZE=5]Randle the Handle is lighting it up down under
there's something about the Australian water, that just fuels the Cal Bears[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=5]Freshman [COLOR="#0000CD"]Kristine Anigwe[/COLOR] scored 43 points to help rout the Sacramento State Hornets
that is NOT a typo ... 43 points is the most scored this season by any player
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NVBear78;842611974 said:

We have also turned the ball over many times on attempted entry passes.

The one thing I do not recall is seeing a bounce pass...


this team is passing challenged right now, t-wall is averaging 5 assists a game & nobody else got more than 1.8 apg

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Shocky1;842594142 said:

visited with women's head coach lindsay gottlieb who was in the haas tonite along with her tightly bonded team & miramonte high school's sabrina ionescu who drove the 15 minutes from home with her siblings to berkeley for an unofficial visit

as the #4 ranked player in the 2016 class sabrina is quite literally the final necessary piece of the puzzle for the bears to return to the final four during the next several seasons...cal upset #8 ranked louisville on the road in front of 16,000+ loud fans sunday, the bears got a bright future but ionescu is the pivotal key to an unlimited future, she is the elite guard that the coach gottlieb need to compete with connecticut for a potential future national championship(s)

yeah, sabrina was smiling a lot tonite at haas


https://vimeo.com/45797764

the university of california, berkeley=#1 ranked public (#3 overall) university in the world (including walnut creek)

history in the making?#


happy birthday, sabrina

what are you, like 28 or something?



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We will not reach our potential until Ivan gets between 10-15 shots a game....if he doesn't get the shots then he should have 5-7 assists.....Ivan should touch the ball at the elbow or low post 20-30 possessions per game....NO EXCUSES.....FEED THE BIG MAN....HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH THE ROCK....ATTACK WITH IVAN.....
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check out the t-wall entry lob pass to young ivee at the 4:00 minute mark, that's the real deal

some high energy victory crab leg footwork by nick "the smartest bear of them all" hamilton at the end of the game along with the shyatt (wearing the ugly azz grandpa gold sweater) talking **** with coach

a major plus of the dome of doom for visiting team floor fans (particularly the 3 stooges) is that you don't gotta stay in your seat, you got this little petting zoo area you can freely roam around while you scream your azz off

[video=youtube;VwQ1UGCRn9Y][/video]

successful roadtrip#
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Shocky1;842612153 said:

check out the t-wall entry lob pass to young ivee at the 4:00 minute mark, that's the real deal

some high energy victory crab leg footwork by nick "the smartest bear of them all" hamilton at the end of the game along with the shyatt (wearing the ugly azz grandpa gold sweater) talking **** with coach

a major plus of the dome of doom for visiting team floor fans (particularly the 3 stooges) is that you don't gotta stay in your seat, you got this little petting zoo area you can freely roam around while you scream your azz off

[video=youtube;VwQ1UGCRn9Y][/video]

successful roadtrip#


Shocks, thanks for your posts that actually pertain to Cal basketball, namely those pointing out that Cal's inability to get the ball to Rabb is stunningly bad/unacceptable. And despite the one Ty pass you rightly adore, Wallace is as guilty as anyone.

Against Wyoming, Ivan had only five shots, making all of them and also was perfect, 3 for 3, at the line.

Out Bears have to get him the ball. Our season rests on that.
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the pass Shocky is referring to was a pick and roll which I've advocated all season

it was successful, but it was not the traditional pick and roll because Wallace was already very deep when he passed the ball to Rabb. That meant the defender was already going that direction and was actually in position to prevent the pass or block the shot. It was Ivan's great catch and finish that made the play

Hopefully Wallace (and Singer) will learn how to run a pick and roll properly, although it's really a play against man-to-man. Usually too much traffic in the middle to run it against a zone

Still it was successful and it was a step forward

However, Wallace had a better entry pass to Ivan in the game (it's also shown in the video). Ivan sealed his man, and Wallace delivered the perfect pass to him at the right time for an easy score.


south bender;842612197 said:

Shocks, thanks for your posts that actually pertain to Cal basketball, namely those pointing out that Cal's inability to get the ball to Rabb is stunningly bad/unacceptable. And despite the one Ty pass you rightly adore, Wallace is as guilty as anyone.

Against Wyoming, Ivan had only five shots, making all of them and also was perfect, 3 for 3, at the line.

Out Bears have to get him the ball. Our season rests on that.
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HoopDreams;842612227 said:

the pass Shocky is referring to was a pick and roll which I've advocated all season

it was successful, but it was not the traditional pick and roll because Wallace was already very deep when he passed the ball to Rabb. That meant the defender was already going that direction and was actually in position to prevent the pass or block the shot. It was Ivan's great catch and finish that made the play

Hopefully Wallace (and Singer) will learn how to run a pick and roll properly, although it's really a play against man-to-man. Usually too much traffic in the middle to run it against a zone

Still it was successful and it was a step forward

However, Wallace had a better entry pass to Ivan in the game (it's also shown in the video). Ivan sealed his man, and Wallace delivered the perfect pass to him at the right time for an easy score.


the traditional entry pass hoop hoop dreams is talking about between t-wall & young ivee can be viewed at the 4:53 mark, you can see me behind the bench jumping around on my pogo stick when that **** went down

there is literally no 4 in the united states of american that can guard ivan rabb down low

and there is literally no 3 in the los estados unidos that can guard jaylen brown down low...right now, jaylen is very frustrated with himself (his body language is slumpish), he needs some easy buckets near the basket to build up his confidence & get himself going again...the current plan to have him shoot contested 20 footers to get himself out of the slump is truly a dumb azz plan

let's do this
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south bender;842612197 said:

Shocks, thanks for your posts that actually pertain to Cal basketball, namely those pointing out that Cal's inability to get the ball to Rabb is stunningly bad/unacceptable. And despite the one Ty pass you rightly adore, Wallace is as guilty as anyone.

Against Wyoming, Ivan had only five shots, making all of them and also was perfect, 3 for 3, at the line.

Out Bears have to get him the ball. Our season rests on that.


southbender, all of my posts relate to cal basketball, it's just that you fail to grasp the subtleties of the connections

but 100% agreed that this season rests on the bears getting ivan rabb the ball, that's not happening right now

i would hope coach martin & his staff would reach out to jay john (the technical braintrust behind lute olsen's final 4 teams), mike montgomery (he knows cal's personnel better than anyone) & steve kerr (golden state ball movement/facilitation genius) for input & suggestions...there's no shame in reaching out to others, it's actually a healthy way to live your life to not stubbornly think you got all the answers & to embrace change

if this staff does not embrace change, the most talented team in the history of cal basketball will lose half of their pac 12 games & will be playing in the nit tournament in nyc...and yeah, i'll be there because i love all of them california golden bears (including the coaches) but it doesn't have to go down that way, it really doesn't

who knew that huf is the lead singer for future islands?




seasons change (are you gonna change with them?)#
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Shocky1;842602328 said:

the bishop o'dowd game will allow the staff to see for the 1st time incoming freshman class of 2019 raymond hawkins who lou richie told me will be an elite national recruit in the future like young ivee, apparently he's the real deal

good luck to former cal commit oscar frayer as he evaluates other collegiate opportunities, high character young man that assisted in the recruitment of rabb to berkeley


I attended the prep2prep tip-off classic and while Raymond Hawkins looks like he has some potential as a freshman, the real star of the day was Jordan Brown of Woodcreek High in Roseville....even though he was double and triple teamed whenever he sniffed the ball, he still scored over 30 with relative ease....unlike Ivan, Jordan has little to no help from his Woodcreek teammates....I watched Ivan at least a dozen times through his HS career but I can't tell you who the better high school player is between Brown and Rabb....Rabb is such an all round player with an extremely high BB IQ, but Brown is probably the better offensive player....he shoots the ball out to 18 feet effortlessly and consistently even though triple teamed...it is really hard to comprehend that he is only a sophomore (15 yrs old)....he is still thin but that doesn't stop him from battling underneath...I really couldn't see a weakness in his game that just maturing isn't going to take care of....Cal needs this kid!!! This kid needs Cal!!!
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Shocky, I think they made a more concerted effort to get the ball to Ivan on the block on Saturday, but still were not too successful. Part of the problem is that, when the defender has bulk, Ivan is not quite strong enough yet to set up and maintain a position where he's available for the pass, or can do anything with the ball once he gets it. Where they've been most successful in getting the ball to him has been when they reverse the ball from one side of the court to the other on the perimeter, then get the ball to him as he flashes across the lane, before the defender can get set behind him. They need to do more of that. If the ball movement improves, he'll get more opportunities down low. However, I also think he's equally effective from the elbow, so I would probably put him there at least as often.
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Jeff82;842612472 said:

Shocky, I think they made a more concerted effort to get the ball to Ivan on the block on Saturday, but still were not too successful. Part of the problem is that, when the defender has bulk, Ivan is not quite strong enough yet to set up and maintain a position where he's available for the pass, or can do anything with the ball once he gets it. Where they've been most successful in getting the ball to him has been when they reverse the ball from one side of the court to the other on the perimeter, then get the ball to him as he flashes across the lane, before the defender can get set behind him. They need to do more of that. If the ball movement improves, he'll get more opportunities down low. However, I also think he's equally effective from the elbow, so I would probably put him there at least as often.



I agree with you but if you can't get it to him on the low block then bring him out to the elbow....do whatever you have to....just get him the ball at least 20 times per game preferrably more....Ivan understands and sees the game better than any of our other players right now....everyone would benefit from him getting touches....
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[SIZE=5]who was the greatest point guard at Cal ever?

That would be [COLOR="#0000CD"]Mr. Jason Kidd[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#0000CD"]What made Kidd so special? It was his court vision, which made him an elite passer[/COLOR]
That skill translated very well to the NBA, as he had a long career and was one of the top 5 NBA point guards in history[/SIZE]

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Jeff82;842612472 said:

Shocky, I think they made a more concerted effort to get the ball to Ivan on the block on Saturday, but still were not too successful. Part of the problem is that, when the defender has bulk, Ivan is not quite strong enough yet to set up and maintain a position where he's available for the pass, or can do anything with the ball once he gets it. Where they've been most successful in getting the ball to him has been when they reverse the ball from one side of the court to the other on the perimeter, then get the ball to him as he flashes across the lane, before the defender can get set behind him. They need to do more of that. If the ball movement improves, he'll get more opportunities down low. However, I also think he's equally effective from the elbow, so I would probably put him there at least as often.


jeff, coach shyatt started & played 36 minutes 6'9" 210 lbs sophomore alan herndon at the 4 opposite ivan rabb while much thicker 6'10" 245 jonathan barnes battled at the 5 opposite kameron rooks

young ivee had a height, weight & quickness advantage vs herndon, the bears did not take advantage of this mismatch during rabb's limited minutes due to foul trouble

from my viewpoint in the dome of doom petting zoo free movement area a yard behind the cal bench i had a player's view of passing lanes as our guys particularly sam singer, jabari bird, jordan mathews & jaylen brown repeatedly could've delivered an entry pass to ivan but failed to do so as they indecisively hesitated too long when rabb flashed open & then the opportunity was gone

there's a lotta factors that favor immediate improvement to this critical issue:

1) our coaches are very smart & experienced, they got both jarnell stokes & jordan mcrae into the league in the 2014 nba draft after the vols sweet sixteen season...coach jones is a respected bigs coach with big dance final four experience...coach hufnagel got an ivy league degree...these guys are not dumb azzs

2) our players are not selfish, their not delivering the ball with rabb in optimal spots on the court isn't because they don't want to share the ball...their hearts are in the right place, indecisiveness not desire is the issue here

3) rabb is being coached up to post up stronger & present a larger target...earlier in the season he was kinda floating around the foul line avoiding contact...ivan also appears to be ready to attack the basket more physically & aggressively rather than just quickly passing, this is due to his increased d1 experience

why is feeding rabb so important?

1) young ivee is shooting an unreal .667 on field goals & .800 on free throws, he is ******* money when he gets the ball

2) spacing will improve as ivan is also an adept passer, he played point forward for lou richie's bishop o'dowd dragons at times last season facilitating paris austin & teammates

3) rabb's efficiency around the basketball will mitigate scoring runs by other teams...cal lost to richmond & san diego state in large part because the spiders & aztecs got hot & the bears couldn't break their runs...ivan working around the basketball is a much higher percent solution to stopping runs against the bears as opposed to jacking up contested 3 pointers

but let's be real here, other than t-walls 2 magnificent passes to young ivee vs wyoming, the bears are not doing a better job of feeding rabb

incarnate word will be the next opportunity for this team to take a dramatic step forward

let's do this
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Well, you were there and I was only watching on TV. I think we agree it's not an issue of desire, they were definitely looking for him on Saturday, to an extent much greater than earlier in the season. It's more an issue of technique. If the defender is playing behind, Ivan has to get low and wide, so he can receive the ball without the defender getting around to contest the pass. The wings then have to use fakes so that they can deliver the ball either with a floating pass or an angled bounce pass. If the defender fronts, then you have to go over the top.
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Jeff82;842612631 said:

Well, you were there and I was only watching on TV. I think we agree it's not an issue of desire, they were definitely looking for him on Saturday, to an extent much greater than earlier in the season. It's more an issue of technique. If the defender is playing behind, Ivan has to get low and wide, so he can receive the ball without the defender getting around to contest the pass. The wings then have to use fakes so that they can deliver the ball either with a floating pass or an angled bounce pass. If the defender fronts, then you have to go over the top.


agreed this is an issue of scheme, technique & confidence in passing skills
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Another good thing is the passes don't have to be great passes or even good passes....just get it close to Ivan and he will catch it....he's got great hands as was shown when Ty hooked the pass to him on the pick and roll...
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bearmanpg;842612074 said:

We will not reach our potential until Ivan gets between 10-15 shots a game....if he doesn't get the shots then he should have 5-7 assists.....Ivan should touch the ball at the elbow or low post 20-30 possessions per game....NO EXCUSES.....FEED THE BIG MAN....HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH THE ROCK....ATTACK WITH IVAN.....


bearmanpg;842612602 said:

I agree with you but if you can't get it to him on the low block then bring him out to the elbow....do whatever you have to....just get him the ball at least 20 times per game preferrably more....Ivan understands and sees the game better than any of our other players right now....everyone would benefit from him getting touches....


bearmanpg;842612649 said:

Another good thing is the passes don't have to be great passes or even good passes....just get it close to Ivan and he will catch it....he's got great hands as was shown when Ty hooked the pass to him on the pick and roll...


it's kinda like lou richie told me "when ivan touches the ball, good things happen"


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the time is now#
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strengths:cheer & weaknesses:headbang#
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original monsters (50 year friendships)#
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from this point forward anytime jordan mathews plays like an alpha male he should be nicknamed "creasy," it would be just wrong to call him any other name at that time

Shocky1;842553605 said:



the draftexpress.com (which is written by guys with zero nba backgrounds whose primary jobs are working security for the gap) is of the opinion that 4 of the top 7 nba prospects in the pac 12 are california golden bears
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Top-NBA-Prospects-in-the-Pac-12-Part-Seven-Prospects-17-20-5245

but make no mistake about it, jordan "en fuego" mathews is the best shooter in the pac...there's something transcendently epic that freezes time forever when mathews squares up his shoulders & releases his 3 pointers with perfect rotation into the haas airspace, i can't breathe...let it fly, baby, let's do this




nothing to lose#


jordan mathews is an alpha male, he got his azz kicked for 40 minutes but stayed mentally strong & blistered the cowboys for 11 critical points in the 5 minutes overtime, no prisoners

this is cal basketball#
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do not **** with jordan mathews



creasy forever#
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[SIZE=5]This Saturday is a great chance to see both players in Haas...
How can you not root for these two?[/SIZE]

[COLOR="#0000CD"][SIZE=5]http://www.contracostatimes.com/sports/ci_29219035/cal-hoops-stars-ivan-rabb-asha-thomas-like[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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