we made a total of one screen pass this game?? I don't blame Garbers for the crap play calling.

Remember when this game was 14-10?

That was awesome!

Makai Polk definitely made the right call fleeing this dumpster fire.

CalGrad95 said:

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Makai Polk definitely made the right call fleeing this dumpster fire.

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How many more recruits will decommit and how many of our current players will enter the portal?

haha guys at least we didn't lose by as much as Stanford did today.

eabandit said:

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haha guys at least we didn't lose by as much as Stanford did today.

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You don't want to see the score if we played Notre Dame...

dimitrig said:

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UCLA is getting Garbers playing time now...

*smh*

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Do you think they would give Millner or Johnson some playing time, if we ask real nice?

Should be fun to watch Cal go to South Bend next year and lose by 50.

southseasbear said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Makai Polk definitely made the right call fleeing this dumpster fire.

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How many more recruits will decommit and how many of our current players will enter the portal?

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The rest of them?

The bottom line is UCLA is bigger and faster upfront on both sides of the balll. They are also bigger and
Way faster LB And DB positions. We may actually have better Defensive coaches but they have more talent, which can overcompensate for their basic scheme to blitz.

Until Wilcox can recruit 4/5 star kids we will always be mediocre.

Gkhoury2325 said:

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The bottom line is UCLA is bigger and faster upfront on both sides of the balll. They are also bigger and
Way faster LB And DB positions. We may actually have better Defensive coaches but they have more talent, which can overcompensate for their basic scheme to blitz.

Until Wilcox can recruit 4/5 star kids we will always be mediocre.

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Reminds me of Joe Kapp's explanation of every loss: "They were just bigger, stronger and faster than we were."

Gkhoury2325 said:

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The bottom line is UCLA is bigger and faster upfront on both sides of the balll. They are also bigger and
Way faster LB And DB positions. We may actually have better Defensive coaches but they have more talent, which can overcompensate for their basic scheme to blitz.

Until Wilcox can recruit 4/5 star kids we will always be mediocre.

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Fresno St. dropped 40 on UCLA at the Rose Bowl without 4 and 5 star players.

BearForce2 said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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The bottom line is UCLA is bigger and faster upfront on both sides of the balll. They are also bigger and
Way faster LB And DB positions. We may actually have better Defensive coaches but they have more talent, which can overcompensate for their basic scheme to blitz.

Until Wilcox can recruit 4/5 star kids we will always be mediocre.

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Fresno St. dropped 40 on UCLA at the Rose Bowl without 4 and 5 star players.

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I would gladly take their coaching staff.

Golden One said:

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I wouldn't feel so bad if UCLA were a really good team
But they're not. They're just a helluva lot better than us.

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They're loaded at the skill positions. On offense, they're either on or off. Tonight, against us, they were ON.

Plenty of cause to be disappointed, but Charbonnet, DTR, Allen, and Dulcich will all be playing Sundays.

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Skeedabear said:

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Just look at how much fun Fucla is having on defense…Sure would be nice to see CAL do that…in this lifetime!

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That did happen.

Remember "The Takers?"

That defense was great!

How many defensive scores has Cal had this season?

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The Takers were all recruited by Dykes, right? Who was the DB coach who coached them up?

Gkhoury2325 said:

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The bottom line is UCLA is bigger and faster upfront on both sides of the balll. They are also bigger and
Way faster LB And DB positions. We may actually have better Defensive coaches but they have more talent, which can overcompensate for their basic scheme to blitz.

Until Wilcox can recruit 4/5 star kids we will always be mediocre.

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4 and 5 star players don't want to play for this st show. Too many other options.

As evidenced by the two 4 star '22 commits who done R-U-N-N-O-F-T.

Wilcox is a train wreck as an HC, now we know why no one else made him a HC after 10+ years as a DC.

calumnus said:

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dimitrig said:

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Skeedabear said:

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Just look at how much fun Fucla is having on defense…Sure would be nice to see CAL do that…in this lifetime!

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That did happen.

Remember "The Takers?"

That defense was great!

How many defensive scores has Cal had this season?

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The Takers were all recruited by Dykes, right? Who was the DB coach who coached them up?

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The Miami Dolphins DB coach.

Who would be our HC next year if the football gods didn't completely detest us.

Golden One said:

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I wouldn't feel so bad if UCLA were a really good team
But they're not. They're just a helluva lot better than us.

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True. And yet we are a ton better than Colorado, Stanfurd and Arizona (when we aren't down 20+ players). This conference isn't very good.

Big C said:

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Golden One said:

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I wouldn't feel so bad if UCLA were a really good team
But they're not. They're just a helluva lot better than us.

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True. And yet we are a ton better than Colorado, Stanfurd and Arizona (when we aren't down 20+ players). This conference isn't very good.

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That is what is so frustrating!

USC is down. Oregon is good, but not great. Stanford is down. UCLA is mediocre. Washington is down.

This was a good opportunity for Cal to make the Pac-12 Championship Game for once with a senior QB and a favorable schedule.

What did we do? We lost to Arizona!

CalGrad95 said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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The bottom line is UCLA is bigger and faster upfront on both sides of the balll. They are also bigger and
Way faster LB And DB positions. We may actually have better Defensive coaches but they have more talent, which can overcompensate for their basic scheme to blitz.

Until Wilcox can recruit 4/5 star kids we will always be mediocre.

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4 and 5 star players don't want to play for this st show. Too many other options.

As evidenced by the two 4 star '22 commits who done R-U-N-N-O-F-T.

Wilcox is a train wreck as an HC, now we know why no one else made him a HC after 10+ years as a DC.

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USC fired him as DC a year before we hired him as HC.

I wrote this in a thread earlier in the week. I mean, if I could figure this out, you'd think Wilcox, Musgrave, and Sirmon would be able to do so as well. You'd think they'd have some gameplan to do this. Tonight's debacle suggests otherwise. It is for this reason (if no other) they need to be fired after this season.

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The baby bears' main offensive weapons are (1) the RBs (Charbonnet and Brown); (2) Dulcich, their stud TE; and (3) Thompson-Robinson, their starting QB. They run the RBs quite a bit but on 3rd downs, look for the pass to Dulcich. While DTR has had accuracy issues, like our own Chase Garbers, he can scramble his way out of trouble and can also be a good ball carrier on designed runs.

In many ways, UCLA's team this year reminds me a lot of our own. Their QB can have accuracy issues but is also a good scrambler/runner (but I think Chase is a bit better than DTR). Their TE is probably an upgrade over Tonges, but both play important roles. As good as our RBs are, their RBs are even better (Charbonnet has some Beastmode in him--he trucks tacklers and needs to be gangtackled). Their receivers are decent, but I think Cal's are a little better (especially Clark and Crawford). If Musgrave can keep dialing up some misdirection plays and RPO plays, mixed in with his regular offense (but please, no more plain vanilla!), then Cal has a chance to keep up with or even outscore Chip Kelly's offense. Still, expect Chip to throw in some new schemes and interesting wrinkles.

On defense, the Bruins have a good ballhawking DB group (watch out for Johnson) and that is comparable to Cal's (but I would give the edge to Cal here by a hair). Cal also has the better LB corp, especially Bimage and Goode, but UCLA's LBs aren't bad. The main concern here is whether Azzinaro is a better DC than Sirmon. I'd say it's a push here, but Wilcox gives Cal a bit of an edge in the defensive coaching.

The main thing Cal needs to do on defense is to stop the run. The second objective is to put pressure on DTR and dirty his uniform. DTR has been hampered by some nagging injuries this season; the more Cal can hit him, the worse he'll play (he's not quite as gun-shy after getting hit as Colorado's Lewis, but his playmaking does suffer a bit after getting hit). That said, Cal may not want to knock DTR out of the game because Ethan Garbers (Chase's brother) is pretty good in his own right. (Baby Garbers can pass really well, but he's still not as good at recognizing coverage in the secondary.) Finally, the Bears' D will have to keep Dulcich from being DTR's safety valve on third downs. If Cal's D can do all that, Cal can keep the game manageable; the game will be up to Musgrave's offense to win at that point.

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dimitrig said:

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Big C said:

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Golden One said:

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I wouldn't feel so bad if UCLA were a really good team
But they're not. They're just a helluva lot better than us.

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True. And yet we are a ton better than Colorado, Stanfurd and Arizona (when we aren't down 20+ players). This conference isn't very good.

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That is what is so frustrating!

USC is down. Oregon is good, but not great. Stanford is down. UCLA is mediocre. Washington is down.

This was a good opportunity for Cal to make the Pac-12 Championship Game for once with a senior QB and a favorable schedule.

What did we do? We lost to Arizona!

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Reminds me of when the PAC-12 was down at the end of the last century and Cal stuck with Tom Holmoe as HC, thinking win over a bad SC team meant something.

Tonight's stupid question: what was Wilner smoking when he had Wilcox getting offered the HC position by Washington?

wifeisafurd said:

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Tonight's stupid question: what was Wilner smoking when he had Wilcox getting offered the HC position by Washington?

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I will personally drive the entire coaching staff up to Seattle, if UW will take them off our hands.

dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

wifeisafurd said:

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Tonight's stupid question: what was Wilner smoking when he had Wilcox getting offered the HC position by Washington?

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Wilner and Bruce Jenkins been passin' it back and forth.

chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Who kidnapped Musgrave and called the plays against Stanford? All the RBs got into the action, lots of misdirection, great use of the TEs, even trick plays. Then we go back to this?

The whole team should enter the portal after this season's debacle -- the administration, offense, defense, special teams, coaching and talent level.on this team all took their turn embarrassing themselves this year. Thanks for another fun football season Cal!

chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

dimitrig said:

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chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

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Blitz? UCLA was getting and sacking Garbers when they were rushing just 4! That's just bad OL protection. No one would've shown a darn thing tonight other than how to take a beating in the pocket.

01Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

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Blitz? UCLA was getting and sacking Garbers when they were rushing just 4! That's just bad OL protection. No one would've shown a darn thing tonight other than how to take a beating in the pocket.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe taking a beating in the pocket is good game experience for what it will be like to play behind this OL.

It's not like we've got all kind of 5 star OL recruits lined up.

Might as well get used to the reality.

01Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

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Blitz? UCLA was getting and sacking Garbers when they were rushing just 4! That's just bad OL protection. No one would've shown a darn thing tonight other than how to take a beating in the pocket.

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DTR did not spend much time in the pocket.

UCLA just had a better game plan.

calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

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Blitz? UCLA was getting and sacking Garbers when they were rushing just 4! That's just bad OL protection. No one would've shown a darn thing tonight other than how to take a beating in the pocket.

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DTR did not spend much time in the pocket.

UCLA just had a better game plan.

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Yup. UCLA did the smart (and expected) thing: ran the ball with Charbonnet. Occasionally, they split him out or otherwise had him catch the ball. Aside from that UCLA ran the ball with DTR quite a bit. They also threw in a number of passes to Dulcich and fewer passes to other targets (e.g., Philips and Allen). I mean, all of this was exactly as expected. I'm just not understanding how the Cal coaches could have failed to counter or stop UCLA's game plan. It's just monumentally and mind-bogglingly bad coaching!

Heck, even if Cal stacked the box and dared DTR to throw all night, that would've been something. Instead, Cal let UCLA run at will. That's just bad scouting and worse coaching.

01Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

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Blitz? UCLA was getting and sacking Garbers when they were rushing just 4! That's just bad OL protection. No one would've shown a darn thing tonight other than how to take a beating in the pocket.

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DTR did not spend much time in the pocket.

UCLA just had a better game plan.

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Yup. UCLA did the smart (and expected) thing: ran the ball with Charbonnet. Occasionally, they split him out or otherwise had him catch the ball. Aside from that UCLA ran the ball with DTR quite a bit. They also threw in a number of passes to Dulcich and fewer passes to other targets (e.g., Philips and Allen). I mean, all of this was exactly as expected. I'm just not understanding how the Cal coaches could have failed to counter or stop UCLA's game plan. It's just monumentally and mind-bogglingly bad coaching!

Heck, even if Cal stacked the box and dared DTR to throw all night, that would've been something. Instead, Cal let UCLA run at will. That's just bad scouting and worse coaching.

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Plus, we didn't do nearly enough of the same in return on offense. We reverted to our one deep sideline route. Nothing over the middle. It is like we list the playbook we were using for Stanford.

dimitrig said:

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chazzed said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Didn't really matter... the fact that Zach Johnson or Kai got no run is ridiculous.

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Gotta get Garbers more experience.

I can't believe some people are hoping he comes back for another season.

I think he's already been here a season too long.

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I can't believe you think we have a better option at the QB position. I can't believe you think a change there would have made a difference today. I agree with those questioning the playcalling on offense, though.

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Let's put it this way.

Garbers isn't the answer.

We know that.

Let the other kids play.

If they aren't the solution either then we are no worse off.

I am not saying they would have led us to a win. Absolutely not.

If anything, when faced with a blitz every down they would probably have done as poorly or worse.

And I understand you don't want to ruin a kid's confidence by throwing him into the fire when he's not ready.

But maybe that's not how things will go. Maybe one of them would have been forced to play anyway because of a Garbers injury. He's been remarkably resilient this season, but generally he's prone to missing time.

As Wayne Gretzky said: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

P.S. Cal had a chance to get those guys some PT and we went with Ryan Glover FFS

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Something something deck chairs something. Two people could fit on the door.