wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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HateRed said:

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Quit being stupid about the possibilities for Cal. Post what would be the best scenario for us. My opinion, stated before, is that Cal and Stanford are dead if they don't follow USC and UCLA.

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I was posting about the possibilities before, but the fact that this has been so definitively announced by everyone and nothing from Cal and Stanford makes me pessimistic. This probably means the UC regents are fine with it and the LA schools are not interested in bringing the Bay Area schools along.

But we'll see.

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Well the BI article is suggesting a merger with some of the Big 12 schools. Think about what people said about those conference leftovers last year.

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If Cal winds up playing a schedule mostly filled with Big 12 teams and not USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington, I'm not interested. It's hard to see much of our dwindling fan base being interested either.

sycasey said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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HateRed said:

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Quit being stupid about the possibilities for Cal. Post what would be the best scenario for us. My opinion, stated before, is that Cal and Stanford are dead if they don't follow USC and UCLA.

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I was posting about the possibilities before, but the fact that this has been so definitively announced by everyone and nothing from Cal and Stanford makes me pessimistic. This probably means the UC regents are fine with it and the LA schools are not interested in bringing the Bay Area schools along.

But we'll see.

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Well the BI article is suggesting a merger with some of the Big 12 schools. Think about what people said about those conference leftovers last year.

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If Cal winds up playing a schedule mostly filled with Big 12 teams and not USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington, I'm not interested. It's hard to see much of our dwindling fan base being interested either.

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i can't imagine most of my friends & classmates going to games then. already they mostly only care about usc/ucla/furd/oregon. if those go, its curtains for student attendance

That USC statement about "enhanced transportation resources" in and out of the Big Ten Midwestern college towns and to and from Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State is an absolute joke, especially during the winter time. More West Coast schools are simply going to have to be added.

sycasey said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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HateRed said:

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Quit being stupid about the possibilities for Cal. Post what would be the best scenario for us. My opinion, stated before, is that Cal and Stanford are dead if they don't follow USC and UCLA.

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I was posting about the possibilities before, but the fact that this has been so definitively announced by everyone and nothing from Cal and Stanford makes me pessimistic. This probably means the UC regents are fine with it and the LA schools are not interested in bringing the Bay Area schools along.

But we'll see.

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Well the BI article is suggesting a merger with some of the Big 12 schools. Think about what people said about those conference leftovers last year.

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If Cal winds up playing a schedule mostly filled with Big 12 teams and not USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington, I'm not interested. It's hard to see much of our dwindling fan base being interested either.

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You and everyone else.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but:

I don't look down on Big 12 schools, but I see no value in being conference mates with them. To me, playing Kansas State or Texas Tech every year would not be more appealing than playing San Diego State or UNLV.

Bear_Territory said:

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Has Cal submitted its application to the B1G yet?

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Christ and Knowlton are probably trying to figure out what the Big 10 is.

eastcoastcal said:

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🚨 UPDATE 🚨

Oregon & Washington are likely to be accepted into the Big-10 with an announcement pending as @FifthQuarter is told. https://t.co/P5d0IcnQGX

— LaMike Black (@LaMikeBlack) July 1, 2022

WELP

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Update: Knowlton and Christ just got wind of the pending moves. They blame COVID and will hire a search form to find a conference they can join. They are holding out hope for joining the WAC.

GivemTheAxe said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Any chance California pulls a Texas Legislature and demands other two California teams be taken along?

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Good concept.
The CA legislature controls the UC System and can preempt the Regents as evidenced by the Legislature's efforts to compel Cal to increase the number of entering Freshmen .
It can probably take steps to prevent UCLA from joining the BIG10 by playing hard ball.

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The California legislature doesn't give a damn about football, basketball, or any other athletic program. Don't look for them to help Cal at all.

eastcoastcal said:

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🚨 UPDATE 🚨

Oregon & Washington are likely to be accepted into the Big-10 with an announcement pending as @FifthQuarter is told. https://t.co/P5d0IcnQGX

— LaMike Black (@LaMikeBlack) July 1, 2022

WELP

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I mean, of course. Looking at this objectively, of course you're going to take Oregon/Washington over Stanford/cal.

The only way cal had a chance was if the regents stepped in and protected their own interests.

But does anyone here think that the regents has any understating at all about how sports or money works?

okaydo said:

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Multiple sources tell @latimes that no other Pac-12 members are expected to be added to the Big Ten at this time.

Oregon, Washington, Stanford, etc. will not be following USC and UCLA.

— Ryan Kartje (@Ryan_Kartje) July 1, 2022

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It doesn't bode well for us when we're considered the "etc."

eastcoastcal said:

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I PRAY Cal has gotten in an application to the B10. My question is- is the application process extensive? Does it require a lot of prep & approvals from the university? In which case, how did Oregon & UW apply within like 6 hours? DId they know beforehand?

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If it took Oregon and Washington 6 hours, it would take Cal 6 months, given the bureauracy that is Cal.

Golden One said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Any chance California pulls a Texas Legislature and demands other two California teams be taken along?

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Good concept.
The CA legislature controls the UC System and can preempt the Regents as evidenced by the Legislature's efforts to compel Cal to increase the number of entering Freshmen .
It can probably take steps to prevent UCLA from joining the BIG10 by playing hard ball.

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The California legislature doesn't give a damn about football, basketball, or any other athletic program. Don't look for them to help Cal at all.

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Why the hell would anyone help cal outside of us 12 fans? This all blows!!

fat_slice said:

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Golden One said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Any chance California pulls a Texas Legislature and demands other two California teams be taken along?

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Good concept.
The CA legislature controls the UC System and can preempt the Regents as evidenced by the Legislature's efforts to compel Cal to increase the number of entering Freshmen .
It can probably take steps to prevent UCLA from joining the BIG10 by playing hard ball.

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The California legislature doesn't give a damn about football, basketball, or any other athletic program. Don't look for them to help Cal at all.

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Why the hell would anyone help cal outside of us 12 fans? This all blows!!

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I think it's down to 10 now.

GoBears89 said:

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I blame Larry Scott!!

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His failure on the network front quite literally is the reason this is happening. There was an arms race in college sports and he lost.

I think it's still an open question as to whether winning was worth it. I think a lot of people agree with my that college sports have drastically changed and no longer captivate the interest they way they did years ago but we're never going back to that era.

Unit2Sucks said:

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GoBears89 said:

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I blame Larry Scott!!

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His failure on the network front quite literally is the reason this is happening. There was an arms race in college sports and he lost.

I think it's still an open question as to whether winning was worth it. I think a lot of people agree with my that college sports have drastically changed and no longer captivate the interest they way they did years ago but we're never going back to that era.

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The interest is still there that's why there are $100mm deals being made. We got left behind because our admin sucks. If we were part of this deal, you would be hailing this as the right thing to do and that we will finally be playing big boy football.

fat_slice said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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🚨 UPDATE 🚨

Oregon & Washington are likely to be accepted into the Big-10 with an announcement pending as @FifthQuarter is told. https://t.co/P5d0IcnQGX

— LaMike Black (@LaMikeBlack) July 1, 2022

WELP

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Update: Knowlton and Christ just got wind of the pending moves. They blame COVID and will hire a search form to find a conference they can join. They are holding out hope for joining the WAC.

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As I have said many times, Knowlton was a disastrous hire for Cal at this critical period in college sports. We will be lucky if we have an athletics program in 2030 when his contract is up.

fat_slice said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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GoBears89 said:

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I blame Larry Scott!!

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His failure on the network front quite literally is the reason this is happening. There was an arms race in college sports and he lost.

I think it's still an open question as to whether winning was worth it. I think a lot of people agree with my that college sports have drastically changed and no longer captivate the interest they way they did years ago but we're never going back to that era.

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The interest is still there that's why there are $100mm deals being made. We got left behind because our admin sucks. If we were part of this deal, you would be hailing this as the right thing to do and that we will finally be playing big boy football.

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Eh, not sure there is any world where I would find disbanding the Pac better than what we used to have when the Rose Bowl was a meaningful goal.

Joining the Big whatever it is would be better than remaining with the deprecated Pac, but not as good as the old Pac-12. And the NIL plus transfer portal has significantly changed my perception of college football, and not for the better.

Count me as one of those people who think we are well beyond peak college football with no return in sight. Really hard for me to find reasons to care about college sports more broadly. When I was younger I wouldn't have thought that possible.

Alleged $$$ at play:

$21 Million per school - current Pac 12 deal

$50 Million per school - projected future Pac 12 deal (before today)

$100 Million per school - new Big Ten estimate; Apple now trying to get back into the bidding?

So the Olympic sports are going to be flying 2,500 miles for games? Any semblance of student-athlete is gone.

I feel bad for Wilcox - turned the Oregon job down and now he's stuck in piddly-dink pac-10 (or 8). He will def leave after this year.