USC/UCLA supposedly moving to Big Ten

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In reply to GivemTheAxe • 12:55p, 6/30/22
GivemTheAxe said:
Strykur said:
BearSD said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
If the UC Regents allows this it would be a massive betrayal. Unless Cal leadership actually wants to downgrade athletics, which wouldn't be surprising.
Does UCLA need the regents' approval to join the Big Ten?
Regents could create stipulations that effectively could kill the deal.

We discussed this at length a year or two ago
It was generally agreed that the Regents could kill the deal and would kill the deal if Cal were not included in the deal.

Why would the Regents agree to allow UCLA to leave and strap Cal with a debt (on the stadium) it could not pay. The Regents are responsible for ALL campuses of UC.
Reports are that the Big Ten already voted informally to invite USC and UCLA and that they will formally vote them in very soon.

It wouldn't be this far along if there was any realistic possibility of the regents blocking the move.

So, either the regents can't stop it, or UCLA has been assured they won't stop it.

And we can easily imagine UCLA's argument to persuade the regents: "If you stop us, USC will go to the Big Ten anyway and the Big Ten will just take another Pac-12 team in our place."

For that matter, would it surprise anyone if Washington, Oregon, Stanford, or anyone else is working their Big Ten contacts with exactly that pitch: If the UC regents block UCLA, take us with USC instead.
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In reply to BigDaddy • 12:56p, 6/30/22
BigDaddy said:
GivemTheAxe said:
Strykur said:
BearSD said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
If the UC Regents allows this it would be a massive betrayal. Unless Cal leadership actually wants to downgrade athletics, which wouldn't be surprising.
Does UCLA need the regents' approval to join the Big Ten?
Regents could create stipulations that effectively could kill the deal.


Why would the Regents agree to allow UCLA to leave and strap Cal with a debt (on the stadium) it could not pay. The Regents are responsible for ALL campuses of UC.
Money. Basically the driver behind all of this.


This helps USC pay for Jordan Addison and Caleb Williams.
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In reply to BearSD • 1:04p, 6/30/22
BearSD said:
GivemTheAxe said:
Strykur said:
BearSD said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
If the UC Regents allows this it would be a massive betrayal. Unless Cal leadership actually wants to downgrade athletics, which wouldn't be surprising.
Does UCLA need the regents' approval to join the Big Ten?
Regents could create stipulations that effectively could kill the deal.

We discussed this at length a year or two ago
It was generally agreed that the Regents could kill the deal and would kill the deal if Cal were not included in the deal.

Why would the Regents agree to allow UCLA to leave and strap Cal with a debt (on the stadium) it could not pay. The Regents are responsible for ALL campuses of UC.
Reports are that the Big Ten already voted informally to invite USC and UCLA and that they will formally vote them in very soon.

It wouldn't be this far along if there was any realistic possibility of the regents blocking the move.

So, either the regents can't stop it, or UCLA has been assured they won't stop it.

And we can easily imagine UCLA's argument to persuade the regents: "If you stop us, USC will go to the Big Ten anyway and the Big Ten will just take another Pac-12 team in our place."

For that matter, would it surprise anyone if Washington, Oregon, Stanford, or anyone else is working their Big Ten contacts with exactly that pitch: If the UC regents block UCLA, take us with USC instead.
I think more likely the regents would tie UCLA to us and they would have to take both (plus probably UW and Oregon)
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1:05p, 6/30/22


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
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1:06p, 6/30/22
If as rumors suggest USC and UCLA have already decided to leave the P12, the B10 isn't done. This is about dollars and media rights. Bay Area is 2nd largest media market in P12 and would be the third-largest in B10.



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1:07p, 6/30/22
Badgers Insider - will they take us?!
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1:09p, 6/30/22
This is why I've lost a lot of interest in college sports.
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In reply to maxer • 1:09p, 6/30/22
maxer said:
BearSD said:
GivemTheAxe said:
Strykur said:
BearSD said:
CaliforniaEternal said:
If the UC Regents allows this it would be a massive betrayal. Unless Cal leadership actually wants to downgrade athletics, which wouldn't be surprising.
Does UCLA need the regents' approval to join the Big Ten?
Regents could create stipulations that effectively could kill the deal.

We discussed this at length a year or two ago
It was generally agreed that the Regents could kill the deal and would kill the deal if Cal were not included in the deal.

Why would the Regents agree to allow UCLA to leave and strap Cal with a debt (on the stadium) it could not pay. The Regents are responsible for ALL campuses of UC.
Reports are that the Big Ten already voted informally to invite USC and UCLA and that they will formally vote them in very soon.

It wouldn't be this far along if there was any realistic possibility of the regents blocking the move.

So, either the regents can't stop it, or UCLA has been assured they won't stop it.

And we can easily imagine UCLA's argument to persuade the regents: "If you stop us, USC will go to the Big Ten anyway and the Big Ten will just take another Pac-12 team in our place."

For that matter, would it surprise anyone if Washington, Oregon, Stanford, or anyone else is working their Big Ten contacts with exactly that pitch: If the UC regents block UCLA, take us with USC instead.
I think more likely the regents would tie UCLA to us and they would have to take both (plus probably UW and Oregon)
Yeah, this actually seems logical. The B1G would now want to grab all the big media markets on the West Coast (and USC/UCLA know their fan base wants to keep playing the traditional Pac rivals). They probably come for everyone and look to generate a super-conference with a west coast division.
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1:10p, 6/30/22
If the entire Pac-8 eventually moved to the Big 10 it wouldn't be the worst thing.
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1:11p, 6/30/22
Package us and Furd as an additional 2 for the B10? Maybe Oregon & UW as the another additional 2?
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1:13p, 6/30/22
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1:15p, 6/30/22
Really curious what the Regents have to say about this. Hopefully it becomes a package deal - no (f)UCLA without CAL. If that doesn't fly, I'd much rather see a west coast division of the ACC than Cal in the Big 12. Hopefully someone wants Cal. Lots of fireworks over the next week.
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1:17p, 6/30/22
Meanwhile our AD has his thumb up his bum and is hiring law firms. When will we hear from him about this or does he need to hire a PR firm first.
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In reply to BearGreg • 1:17p, 6/30/22
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If as rumors suggest USC and UCLA have already decided to leave the P12, the B10 isn't done. This is about dollars and media rights. Bay Area is 2nd largest media market in P12 and would be the third-largest in B10.





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In reply to StillNoStanfurdium • 1:18p, 6/30/22
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If the entire Pac-8 eventually moved to the Big 10 it wouldn't be the worst thing.
Sure, then we can be in the 8 team Pacific division in the 22 team Big 10; which we will never win. Rose Bowl becomes the conference championship game which will go to the 2 top winners of the 3 Big 10 divisions.

It's ridiculous.
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In reply to BigDaddy • 1:19p, 6/30/22
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Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
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1:25p, 6/30/22
I just don't see how UCLA would be able to walk away from public funding for its academics when it is a public institution. California's Academic Planning and Budget notes a $ 1.3 billion budget for for UCLA, with the State of California providing $559 million from state general funds. That's quite a bit of clout for the Regents. I just don't see how UCLA could afford to break from the UC system to become quasi-private. I also can't see how the UC Board of Regents would allow one member university to sizably harm another due to simple greed.
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1:27p, 6/30/22
As happened when Texas and OU left for the SEC, the conference commissioner in the B12 was and the P12 commish likely is caught flat-footed. The ADs of each of the schools are not going to be aware of this news unless leaked by their colleagues at USC and UCLA. The P12 and the ADs have discussed contingency plans but IMO they are irrelevant until the member institutions know all of their options (including joining USC and UCLA).

The P12 and the ADs have been hyper-focused the past 8 weeks on media rights and pro forma revenue planning. As that became clearer, I would guess USC and UCLA felt that option #2, joining the B10 was the more lucrative, secure, and ultimately the better path.

For Cal, if USC and UCLA do leave, the next best option is clearly to follow them and be part of a West Coast pod within the B10. Good academic fit, national media presence and part of the surviving group in Football.
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In reply to maxer • 1:27p, 6/30/22
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.

Maybe if ASU had Notre Dame's brand value, but they don't.

Still, I think Wilner's last tweet is wishful thinking from his "source", The Big Ten doesn't need anyone else from the west once they have USC and UCLA.
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In reply to BearSD • 1:29p, 6/30/22
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.

The unstated assumption there is that likely the Big Ten comes for the rest of the Pac.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:34p, 6/30/22
sycasey said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.

The unstated assumption there is that likely the Big Ten comes for the rest of the Pac.


I don't think the big 10 would mind taking furd/cal SOLELY for their academic clout.
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In reply to CaliforniaEternal • 1:35p, 6/30/22
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If the UC Regents allows this it would be a massive betrayal. Unless Cal leadership actually wants to downgrade athletics, which wouldn't be surprising.
I have to wonder how the regents could justify UCLA's departure without deemphasizing sports at the senior campus. It's almost as if they'd be saying "we have one salable asset, so let's divest and junk what's left". Sadly, revenue sports at Berkeley are moribund and chances of revival look pretty slim. While there is a part of me that wants to mourn this turn of events, there is a bigger part that sees intercollegiate sports in an inevitable death spiral. Reversion to an Ivy style approach would make sense if a way can be found to get out from under the stadium debt load.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:35p, 6/30/22
sycasey said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.
In that case, ASU would fit right in with Texas Tech and Kansas State. ;-)
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In reply to sycasey • 1:35p, 6/30/22
sycasey said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.

The unstated assumption there is that likely the Big Ten comes for the rest of the Pac.
Ahh you're right.

I doubt the Big 10 has much use for Washington St and Oregon St but you never know I guess.
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In reply to ducky23 • 1:36p, 6/30/22
ducky23 said:
sycasey said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.

The unstated assumption there is that likely the Big Ten comes for the rest of the Pac.


I don't think the big 10 would mind taking furd/cal SOLELY for their academic clout.
Let's hope this is true.

The alternative is stomach churning.
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1:36p, 6/30/22

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Pac-12 officials had been nudging both Los Angeles schools for years to extend the grant of rights. The fact that they didn't hinted that they had greater ambition.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34173688/source-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten
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1:36p, 6/30/22
All you who (naively) think the BiG wants Cal are whack. Just sayin'.

The SoCal schools leaving should not be a surprise to anyone. Sure, the Regents could conceivably stop UCLA on principal, but they are not in a strong negotiating position. If the Regents require the BiG to take Cal with UCLA, the BiG says, no problema, we'll take Oregon instead.
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In reply to ducky23 • 1:36p, 6/30/22
ducky23 said:
sycasey said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.

The unstated assumption there is that likely the Big Ten comes for the rest of the Pac.


I don't think the big 10 would mind taking furd/cal SOLELY for their academic clout.
And as Greg noted, the media market.
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In reply to BearSD • 1:36p, 6/30/22
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.

Maybe if ASU had Notre Dame's brand value, but they don't.

Still, I think Wilner's last tweet is wishful thinking from his "source", The Big Ten doesn't need anyone else from the west once they have USC and UCLA.


Disagree. Getting more west coast teams simplifies a lot of things, particularly scheduling, and includes a huge media market.
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In reply to bluehenbear • 1:36p, 6/30/22
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Meanwhile our AD has his thumb up his bum and is hiring law firms. When will we hear from him about this or does he need to hire a PR firm first.


Knowlton has been twiddling his thumbs ever since he got here. 100% he got blindsided by this and we are now seeing the end of Cal football. Interest in the upcoming season is now lost for me.

What a waste of space Knowlton and Christ are. Never heard one iota of innovative or proactive thinking from their end. Always reactionary and their reactive decisions have been absolutely poor with their only impact to further lower our reputation.
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1:37p, 6/30/22
The way I see it there are only two decent scenarios for Cal

1) We get invited to Big10 as well which is an upgrade and woohoo we make lots more money
2) We genuinely join the Ivy League at which point we've clearly given up on sports but hey at least the academic association will be great

Everything else is generally stated as being part of a Mountain West-like conference which I have no desire to watch or follow
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In reply to GMP • 1:38p, 6/30/22
GMP said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.

Maybe if ASU had Notre Dame's brand value, but they don't.

Still, I think Wilner's last tweet is wishful thinking from his "source", The Big Ten doesn't need anyone else from the west once they have USC and UCLA.


Disagree. Getting more west coast teams simplifies a lot of things, particularly scheduling, and includes a huge media market.


Perhaps relevant: B1G Commissioner Warren is from Phoenix and played for ASU.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 1:39p, 6/30/22
Unit2Sucks said:
StillNoStanfurdium said:
If the entire Pac-8 eventually moved to the Big 10 it wouldn't be the worst thing.
Sure, then we can be in the 8 team Pacific division in the 22 team Big 10; which we will never win. Rose Bowl becomes the conference championship game which will go to the 2 top winners of the 3 Big 10 divisions.

It's ridiculous.
I'm speaking strictly from the perspective of at least preserving some traditional games. Who the hell knows how bowl alignments and stuff would work out after this massive shift anyways. I'll grant that staying in the corpse of the Pac-? will lead to a hypothetically easier conference win but what does that even mean with a new landscape?

If the Big 10 takes the Pac-8 schools, could 2 more schools elsewhere (hell I guess you could try and just take the Pac-10) but no idea if it's worth it to add the Arizona schools. Then you could have two 12-team divisions. Alternatively if they wanted to only take the "top" schools, and as a homer I'll obviously include Cal, and add UCLA, USC, Cal, Furd, Oregon, UW for a 20 team conference with two 10 team divisions. Fold in Rutgers and Maryland into the "new" 10 team part of the Big 10. It sort of maintains traditional Pac matchups.
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In reply to BearoutEast67 • 1:39p, 6/30/22
BearoutEast67 said:
I just don't see how UCLA would be able to walk away from public funding for its academics when it is a public institution. California's Academic Planning and Budget notes a $ 1.3 billion budget for for UCLA, with the State of California providing $559 million from state general funds. That's quite a bit of clout for the Regents. I just don't see how UCLA could afford to break from the UC system to become quasi-private. I also can't see how the UC Board of Regents would allow one member university to sizably harm another due to simple greed.
How is UCLA walking away from public funding? They're simply changing leagues and doubling their revenue in the process. If it is really this far along I expect we'll discover that the Regents have already given their approval.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:40p, 6/30/22
sycasey said:
ducky23 said:
sycasey said:
BearSD said:
maxer said:
BigDaddy said:


Pac-12 gonna be a zombie league.
"Yes let's take the smallest media markets and the most dubious academic schools!"
Yeah, you never know, but it's hard to see the Big Ten going for Tempe Community College, as the Zona fans call them.
That's not what this tweet says, it says the Big TWELVE will come for the Arizona schools and Colorado/Utah.

The unstated assumption there is that likely the Big Ten comes for the rest of the Pac.


I don't think the big 10 would mind taking furd/cal SOLELY for their academic clout.
And as Greg noted, the media market.
yeah, but I disagree with Greg. The Bay Area may have millions or residents and eyeballs, but on a per capita basis, teh region is just not that into televised college sports.
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