wifeisafurd said:

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Any chance California pulls a Texas Legislature and demands other two California teams be taken along?

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The Big Ten is not done.

If true, you can thank the SEC, and the Big not wanting to be left behind.

maxer said:

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It may be done, but every story I've seen has been clearly from sources connected to the Big 10. I have no doubt that they have invited/accepted USC and UCLA to join.

You'll note that there have been no statements from any sources contacted to either of those 2 schools, nor anyone involved with the UC system.

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Here you go.

Statement from USC president Carol Folt: pic.twitter.com/6ZtsN7cpOg

— Annenberg Media Sports (@ANNMediaSports) June 30, 2022

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UCLA chancellor Gene Block and AD Martin Jarmond in statement: "Seismic changes in collegiate athletics have made us evaluate how best to support our student-athletes as we move forward." Confirms that the school is leaving Pac-12 for Big Ten starting with 2024-25 season.

— Ben Bolch (@latbbolch) June 30, 2022

Strykur said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Any chance California pulls a Texas Legislature and demands other two California teams be taken along?

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The Big Ten is not done.

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And what does this mean? Cal? Oregon?

Can imagine Oregon wants to be left behind and they pull great media rankings.

I think a combined Big/former Pac entity which includes Cal would be awesome and lucrative.

Read the WSJ article.

UCLA has just issued a release on the move to the B1G:

Dear Bruin Community:

For the past century, decisions about UCLA Athletics have always been guided by what is best for our student-athletes, first and foremost, and our fans. Our storied athletics program, based in one of the biggest media markets in the nation, has always had unique opportunities and faced unique challenges. In recent years, however, seismic changes in collegiate athletics have made us evaluate how best to support our student-athletes as we move forward. After careful consideration and thoughtful deliberation, UCLA has decided to leave the Pac-12 Conference and join the Big Ten Conference at the start of the 202425 season.

Signed by the Chancellor and the Athletic Director. The whole statement is linked here...

https://view.bp.e.ucla.edu/?qs=3cb87eb79f5cb67fb3d131d89dcff59f6e7563a66acd2393bc02d38aaf2b0a60d47ae899f2e93c44c1e34026ffaf5927d35b3d0dec1f00c9bb5e8e4768bc5d7f8317f63ed4454c0dec0e4f73057cabe8ab9d4c689cdb6f7a

Those statements show just how sad this whole episode is. Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. The rose bowl was unofficially dead and is now officially dead. The historic Big v Pac conference rivalry is dead.

I wish USC said C.R.E.A.M. and lamented that it had to be this way.

The corporate speak is just too rich. "We're doing this for the students, and ACADEMIC and Athletic Excellence!!!" lol

John Canzano has Jon Wilner on at 5:00 p.m...

750 The Game - Portland's Sports Radio - LISTEN LIVE | Audacy

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BigDaddy said:

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People putting a lot of faith in the UC Regents.

Bottom line for them will be this... would they rather have 1 team as part of the B1G's next TV deal, which will be massive, approaching $1 billion dollars, or 0 teams.

Everything is pointing to UCLA and USC joining the B1G as soon as tomorrow. Would be shocked if UCLA doesn't already have something in place with the Regents to allow this move.

B1G will be at 16. Target for future expansion is probably is probably 20 teams total. SEC would probably match them at 20. So that's 6 available spots in the B1G and SEC combined.

Teams out there for those leagues would include Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Stanford, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Va Tech, Florida State and California. among others.

This will be a mad scramble for a place at the table. I expect to start hearing Oregon rumors in the next 24 hours.

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I'd guess that the Regents are more worried about existing debt of $500m they would be on the hook for and less worried about the opportunity cost to the Athletic Dept of UCLA.

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If the regents understood how negotiations work at all, they would understand how much leverage they have in this situation.

Let's say the regents played chicken with the big10 and told them under no circumstances will they approve ucla to leave unless you take cal. There is zero chance big10 doesn't take cal as well. If you lose ucla, you stand to lose usc as well. Big10 expansion into the west doesn't happen without ucla AND usc. If the cost is to take lowly cal, the big10 has no other choice.

Unfortunately, I doubt the regents understand any of this.

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Agreed on leverage. Not sure how much Regents understand -- hopefully it's made clear to them by people like Chancellor Christ.

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I can assure you this lady is not doing anything. As we all know in our hearts - the outcome for Cal is going to be the worst case scenario.

Reason #1 - we have not been relevant in football / basketball for over a decade. Not even remotely.

Reason #2 - carol Christ and Knowlton have never done anything remotely positive to enhance our standing competitively in these two sports. They sandbagged our programs.

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I'd argue that Christ converting half of the stadium debt to general University debt (and off the books of the Athletic Dept) was one of the larger things done in the last decade to enhance the competitive standing of all athletics at Cal.

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Here is what I don't get - it seems like one argument people are making is that Cal has to be committed to big time football because of the debt. But i read a post that the stadium renovation was a "death knell" for the program. If we didn't have this burden - would Christ still care about football?

Right now, I feel grateful for this debt as I think that's the only thing that allows the admin to care about our football program.

Funny thing is, I doubt if Chancellor Christ or AD Knowlton even know about this yet, what with the holiday weekend.

Snarky, I know.

https://abc7news.com/sports/usc-ucla-to-the-big-ten-whats-next-for-the-pac-12-how-it-impact/12006932/

The news went from breaking to becoming official in the span of 6 hours. They did a good job keeping it a secret.

𝗕𝗜𝗚 news! UCLA is joining the Big Ten Conference at the start of the 2024-25 season! 👀

➡️: https://t.co/ygoY70o2bo#GoBruins pic.twitter.com/Cgj5orGhiI

— UCLA Athletics (@UCLAAthletics) June 30, 2022

OFFICIAL: USC will join the Big Ten Conference in 2024.

— USC Trojans (@USC_Athletics) June 30, 2022

I can't post pictures but my friend just sent me a picture of the letter USC sent out saying they are changing leagues in 2024. Seems pretty official.

In light of today's news, here's a look at recent @pac12 Football regular season TV consumption.

However, this decision is about more than viewership - USC & UCLA bring the #2 DMA to the @bigten's footprint ahead of #BTN carriage talks, and creates a new late PM Saturday window. https://t.co/mZg6lsfXvQ pic.twitter.com/UBnHtLrDN5

— Justin Beitler (@JustinBeitler) June 30, 2022

You really want to go to the Big ten and see more ass kickings?

82gradDLSdad said:

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I can't post pictures but my friend just sent me a picture of the letter USC sent out saying they are changing leagues in 2024. Seems pretty official.

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Both schools already announced.

Oregon & Washington have applied to join the Big-10 from what @FifthQuarter has been told.

Should have a decision tonight. pic.twitter.com/gcJfTLdZC4

— LaMike Black (@LaMikeBlack) June 30, 2022

Good riddance.

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Good riddance.

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Hopefully we have our application in already.

Question...assuming no other school west goes to the B1G, do the rest of the pac schools boycott USC/UCLA in all sports?

MinotStateBeav said:

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Question...assuming no other school west goes to the B1G, do the rest of the pac schools boycott USC/UCLA in all sports?

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Sounds like a plan. Play furd more

BigDaddy said:

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UCLA has just issued a release on the move to the B1G:

Dear Bruin Community:

For the past century, decisions about UCLA Athletics have always been guided by what is best for our student-athletes, first and foremost, and our fans. Our storied athletics program, based in one of the biggest media markets in the nation, has always had unique opportunities and faced unique challenges. In recent years, however, seismic changes in collegiate athletics have made us evaluate how best to support our student-athletes as we move forward. After careful consideration and thoughtful deliberation, UCLA has decided to leave the Pac-12 Conference and join the Big Ten Conference at the start of the 202425 season.

Signed by the Chancellor and the Athletic Director. The whole statement is linked here...

https://view.bp.e.ucla.edu/?qs=3cb87eb79f5cb67fb3d131d89dcff59f6e7563a66acd2393bc02d38aaf2b0a60d47ae899f2e93c44c1e34026ffaf5927d35b3d0dec1f00c9bb5e8e4768bc5d7f8317f63ed4454c0dec0e4f73057cabe8ab9d4c689cdb6f7a

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The UCLA announcement says nothing about "pending approval of the UC Regents". So, apparently, that approval has already been obtained. Interesting. Where does that leave Cal?

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BigDaddy said:

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UCLA has just issued a release on the move to the B1G:

Dear Bruin Community:

For the past century, decisions about UCLA Athletics have always been guided by what is best for our student-athletes, first and foremost, and our fans. Our storied athletics program, based in one of the biggest media markets in the nation, has always had unique opportunities and faced unique challenges. In recent years, however, seismic changes in collegiate athletics have made us evaluate how best to support our student-athletes as we move forward. After careful consideration and thoughtful deliberation, UCLA has decided to leave the Pac-12 Conference and join the Big Ten Conference at the start of the 202425 season.

Signed by the Chancellor and the Athletic Director. The whole statement is linked here...

https://view.bp.e.ucla.edu/?qs=3cb87eb79f5cb67fb3d131d89dcff59f6e7563a66acd2393bc02d38aaf2b0a60d47ae899f2e93c44c1e34026ffaf5927d35b3d0dec1f00c9bb5e8e4768bc5d7f8317f63ed4454c0dec0e4f73057cabe8ab9d4c689cdb6f7a

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The UCLA announcement says nothing about "pending approval of the UC Regents". So, apparently, that approval has already been obtained. Interesting. Where does that leave Cal?

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Probably out the door.

maxer said:

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fat_slice said:

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maxer said:

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ducky23 said:

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maxer said:

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BigDaddy said:

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People putting a lot of faith in the UC Regents.

Bottom line for them will be this... would they rather have 1 team as part of the B1G's next TV deal, which will be massive, approaching $1 billion dollars, or 0 teams.

Everything is pointing to UCLA and USC joining the B1G as soon as tomorrow. Would be shocked if UCLA doesn't already have something in place with the Regents to allow this move.

B1G will be at 16. Target for future expansion is probably is probably 20 teams total. SEC would probably match them at 20. So that's 6 available spots in the B1G and SEC combined.

Teams out there for those leagues would include Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Stanford, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Va Tech, Florida State and California. among others.

This will be a mad scramble for a place at the table. I expect to start hearing Oregon rumors in the next 24 hours.

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I'd guess that the Regents are more worried about existing debt of $500m they would be on the hook for and less worried about the opportunity cost to the Athletic Dept of UCLA.

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If the regents understood how negotiations work at all, they would understand how much leverage they have in this situation.

Let's say the regents played chicken with the big10 and told them under no circumstances will they approve ucla to leave unless you take cal. There is zero chance big10 doesn't take cal as well. If you lose ucla, you stand to lose usc as well. Big10 expansion into the west doesn't happen without ucla AND usc. If the cost is to take lowly cal, the big10 has no other choice.

Unfortunately, I doubt the regents understand any of this.

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Agreed on leverage. Not sure how much Regents understand -- hopefully it's made clear to them by people like Chancellor Christ.

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I can assure you this lady is not doing anything. As we all know in our hearts - the outcome for Cal is going to be the worst case scenario.

Reason #1 - we have not been relevant in football / basketball for over a decade. Not even remotely.

Reason #2 - carol Christ and Knowlton have never done anything remotely positive to enhance our standing competitively in these two sports. They sandbagged our programs.

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I'd argue that Christ converting half of the stadium debt to general University debt (and off the books of the Athletic Dept) was one of the larger things done in the last decade to enhance the competitive standing of all athletics at Cal.

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That is also a good play to end the program, though.

A hater and supporter would both need to do that.

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oskidunker said:

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Good riddance.

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Hopefully we have our application in already.

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Yeah, right. Cal has the Larry Scott of athletic directors.

Strykur said:

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BigDaddy said:

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UCLA has just issued a release on the move to the B1G:

Dear Bruin Community:

For the past century, decisions about UCLA Athletics have always been guided by what is best for our student-athletes, first and foremost, and our fans. Our storied athletics program, based in one of the biggest media markets in the nation, has always had unique opportunities and faced unique challenges. In recent years, however, seismic changes in collegiate athletics have made us evaluate how best to support our student-athletes as we move forward. After careful consideration and thoughtful deliberation, UCLA has decided to leave the Pac-12 Conference and join the Big Ten Conference at the start of the 202425 season.

Signed by the Chancellor and the Athletic Director. The whole statement is linked here...

https://view.bp.e.ucla.edu/?qs=3cb87eb79f5cb67fb3d131d89dcff59f6e7563a66acd2393bc02d38aaf2b0a60d47ae899f2e93c44c1e34026ffaf5927d35b3d0dec1f00c9bb5e8e4768bc5d7f8317f63ed4454c0dec0e4f73057cabe8ab9d4c689cdb6f7a

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The UCLA announcement says nothing about "pending approval of the UC Regents". So, apparently, that approval has already been obtained. Interesting. Where does that leave Cal?

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Probably out the door.

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Christ and Knowlton right now are probably discussing how all of this impacts women's lacrosse at Cal.

oskidunker said:

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You really want to go to the Big ten and see more ass kickings?

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I dont go to midmajor games. The Pac12 is a midmajor now.

BigDaddy said:

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Pac-12 statement: pic.twitter.com/94pkEyyxX7

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer) July 1, 2022

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Pretty weak, really.

BigDaddy said:

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Pac-12 statement: pic.twitter.com/94pkEyyxX7

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer) July 1, 2022

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"Hurry put out a statement so it looks like we aren't asleep!!!"

Golden One said:

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The UCLA announcement says nothing about "pending approval of the UC Regents". So, apparently, that approval has already been obtained. Interesting. Where does that leave Cal?

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UCLA would not have issued a statement if they didn't have a blessing from the UC Regents.

okaydo said:

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In light of today's news, here's a look at recent @pac12 Football regular season TV consumption.

However, this decision is about more than viewership - USC & UCLA bring the #2 DMA to the @bigten's footprint ahead of #BTN carriage talks, and creates a new late PM Saturday window. https://t.co/mZg6lsfXvQ pic.twitter.com/UBnHtLrDN5

— Justin Beitler (@JustinBeitler) June 30, 2022

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Ugh. People are dreaming. Cal doesn't have a leg to stand on and has zero leverage here. Just look at that graph. Wilcox will be gone by the of this season. He'll be furds new defensive coordinator in the B1G.

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Well, at least the Pac10 still dominates the sports that matter every 4 years if they are done in a country that we dont hate.