Econ141 said:

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AAU & Big Cities are the focus for the Pac 4 expansion

Pac 4 and American Conference merger still in the talks per sources

— Jacob Lee (@CAL_SPORTS_) August 13, 2023

Looks like we are shutting down very soon.

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Has anyone ever heard of either of these, or this dude who tweets "news" way after the fact and cites "sources." Lol. Are these typos meaning AAC and Big Sky? Clownage

b&g, believing this guy is kinda asking the nite shift clerk at the 7/11 off ashby in berkeley for financial planning advice

not gonna lie, the monster would luv for cal to join the "big cities" conference with road-trips to paris, tokyo, london, capetown, melbourne & rio de janerio

We have been told that men's rugby is self funded and it is a varsity sport. In fact according a MOU between Cal and rugby that expired in 2021 (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3229571-9-12-12-Cal-Rugby-Advisory-Board-MOU-Rugby.htm), rugby also paid $150,000 annually for women's lacrosse. If rugby loses varsity status and goes club, that does nothing about rugby revenue but it does take men's rugby out of the title 9 equation allowing Cal some room to cut enough sports, maybe even women's sports if enough men's sports are cut but still be compliant with title 9. When this MOU was signed, I think that Cal was one of maybe 2-3 colleges with varsity rugby programs. Now there are 5 in NCAA Division 1. (https://scholarshipstats.com/rugby).

Cal's women's rugby is a club sport. (https://recwell.berkeley.edu/competitive-programs/sport-clubs/)

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I stopped watching my Raiders consistently when they started to become a non consistent performer. One could say the same thing about Cal. But with start of every new season came the hope of new recruits who could change the game. If I lose my Bears I'm not sure what I will turn to? I don't really want to devote my efforts to another team......

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I'd become more of a Goff/Lions fan. Thanksgiving would be fun. I'd save a lot of money not traveling to Cal games, but more than a small part of me would die, and I'd probable become irreversibly depressed.

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I've already accepted the fact that I am a Goff/Lions fan since this is the first time since I was a 49er fan in the late 50s early 60s, I need something other than Cal football which is all I've relied on all these years.The end of the Pac 12 for some of us Old Blues is more sentimental than for most perhaps. I love the rivalries in spite of how much I despise Stanfurd, ucla and sc. But I like the Lions and dislike the teams here in So Cal.

bearsandgiants said:

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Econ141 said:

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AAU & Big Cities are the focus for the Pac 4 expansion

Pac 4 and American Conference merger still in the talks per sources

— Jacob Lee (@CAL_SPORTS_) August 13, 2023

Looks like we are shutting down very soon.

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Has anyone ever heard of either of these, or this dude who tweets "news" way after the fact and cites "sources." Lol. Are these typos meaning AAC and Big Sky? Clownage

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No, he means they are seeking out schools that are members of the AAU (Association of American Universities) and/or located in big cities.

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Very good chance that the people here who hate Dykes (and in some cases, hate isn't strong enough a word) do so for reasons that have nothing to do with his performance as a coach. If it was all about job performance, they would be similarly psychosed over Saint Tom and the current guy.

The funny thing is, if they actually met him and had a chat, they might change their minds. I had the pleasure a few years back, and it was interesting where that conversation went. Perception definitely doesn't meet reality, trust me....But then again, most here probably wouldn't get beyond the drawl. Their eyes would spin, they'd begin to foam at the mouth and all reasoning powers would evaporate. Such is the world in the 2020s.

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Wow, what an out-of-the-blue silly post. Your perceptions about the "Dykes haters" are in no way relevant to my feelings about Dykes, and on this board, I haven't seen much of what you're referring to. I simply despised Dykes' lack of importance placed on defense, his terrible defensive coordinator hires, and the 4-hour long games that got out sometimes close to midnight. And the track record may indicate I occasionally poked fun at his belly. But that's all. I lived in Nashville for years, and have never said anything derogatory about people from the South (or Texas).

Everything else you have read into peoples' comments, IMO, is your issue. Drama queen. I didn't even watch the championship game, let alone root against Dykes. And I certainly don't hate the man.

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Northside91 said:

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Very good chance that the people here who hate Dykes (and in some cases, hate isn't strong enough a word) do so for reasons that have nothing to do with his performance as a coach. If it was all about job performance, they would be similarly psychosed over Saint Tom and the current guy.

The funny thing is, if they actually met him and had a chat, they might change their minds. I had the pleasure a few years back, and it was interesting where that conversation went. Perception definitely doesn't meet reality, trust me....But then again, most here probably wouldn't get beyond the drawl. Their eyes would spin, they'd begin to foam at the mouth and all reasoning powers would evaporate. Such is the world in the 2020s.

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Wow, what an out-of-the-blue silly post. Your perceptions about the "Dykes haters" are in no way relevant to my feelings about Dykes, and on this board, I haven't seen much of what you're referring to. I simply despised Dykes' lack of importance placed on defense, his terrible defensive coordinator hires, and the 4-hour long games that got out sometimes close to midnight. And the track record may indicate I occasionally poked fun at his belly. But that's all. I lived in Nashville for years, and have never said anything derogatory about people from the South (or Texas).

Everything else you have read into peoples' comments, IMO, is your issue. Drama queen. I didn't even watch the championship game, let alone root against Dykes. And I certainly don't hate the man.

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Hate to break the news, but the two of us are grains of sand on this beach. Your opinion is as valid or invalid as mine. You have a right to it, but ultimately no one cares. Sorry my opinion got that far under your skin. Hoping you do better with the important things in life.

I was simply disappointed with Dykes' record, especially how he was only able to manage an 8-5 season with a #1 NFL pick at QB. I didn't think he was a terrible coach; it just didn't seem to be working out at Cal. Probably some of that is on Cal too, but you need a coach who is able and willing to work with the existing conditions we have.

Sonny Dykes is clearly more comfortable and productive working at schools in Texas, and good for him that he's found a strong fit there.

More cycling Saturday morning; more free time Sat afternoon and night; Packers ball and more cycling Sunday.

The sad fact is that unless Cal ends up in the Big10 with some of its former conference mates it just won't be the same again. I mean, the ACC would be interesting but there's nothing I'd like to do more than to play (and beat) USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington - especially the Trojans, who I didn't think it was possible to hate more than I already did. Playing in the ACC or hell even the SEC would just not be the same. The regional rivalries made it interesting.

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bearsandgiants said:

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Econ141 said:

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AAU & Big Cities are the focus for the Pac 4 expansion

Pac 4 and American Conference merger still in the talks per sources

— Jacob Lee (@CAL_SPORTS_) August 13, 2023

Looks like we are shutting down very soon.

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Has anyone ever heard of either of these, or this dude who tweets "news" way after the fact and cites "sources." Lol. Are these typos meaning AAC and Big Sky? Clownage

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No, he means they are seeking out schools that are members of the AAU (Association of American Universities) and/or located in big cities.

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that's kinda funny, r pullman & corvallis in big cities?

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I didn't think he was a terrible coach; it just didn't seem to be working out at Cal. Probably some of that is on Cal too, but you need a coach who is able and willing to work with the existing conditions we have.

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I agree with your perspective. Snyder and Tedford were both able to win big using Cal's subpar facilities. In fact, by the time Tedford got the head coaching job, the facilities were a huge liability.

On the bright side Cal will have an undefeated record for years.

In all seriousness, my interest in Cal football has sadly dwindled since my father passed in Dec. 2014. He was a HUGE football fan; I was a pretty solid football fan until about 8-9 years ago when he passed, and then something in my heart...changed. I like football, but I didn't love it like before. I'm a huge track/cross country nerd so I am hoping beyond hope they keep those teams intact. But - cutting football will skew the Title IX numbers; we're still on the hook for a stadium retrofit.

Somehow the brain trust at the Cal bureaucracy failed to recognize at a very elementary level that our athletic department's budget is running up and down that field. They failed to conceptualize the very obvious symbiotic relationship. They failed to light a fire under Larry Smith and George K when we were getting horrible scheduling considerations.

Alumni interest in the university, alumni donations TO the university are going to dry up. Football is a rallying point for alumni and if it's a good team, the students would get surprisingly energized. Still, unless Cal can wrangle itself into the BIG TEN or ACC we are dying a slow athletic death and the fault lies with Knowlton, Christ and the UC regents.

I also daresay that UCLA will replace UC Berkeley as the flagship university.

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On the bright side Cal will have an undefeated record for years.

In all seriousness, my interest in Cal football has sadly dwindled since my father passed in Dec. 2014. He was a HUGE football fan; I was a pretty solid football fan until about 8-9 years ago when he passed, and then something in my heart...changed. I like football, but I didn't love it like before. I'm a huge track/cross country nerd so I am hoping beyond hope they keep those teams intact. But - cutting football will skew the Title IX numbers; we're still on the hook for a stadium retrofit.

Somehow the brain trust at the Cal bureaucracy failed to recognize at a very elementary level that our athletic department's budget is running up and down that field. They failed to conceptualize the very obvious symbiotic relationship. They failed to light a fire under Larry Smith and George K when we were getting horrible scheduling considerations.

Alumni interest in the university, alumni donations TO the university are going to dry up. Football is a rallying point for alumni and if it's a good team, the students would get surprisingly energized. Still, unless Cal can wrangle itself into the BIG TEN or ACC we are dying a slow athletic death and the fault lies with Knowlton, Christ and the UC regents.

I also daresay that UCLA will replace UC Berkeley as the flagship university.

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Yup - admin's are screwing up both academics and athletics. Too much bureaucracy, too little accountability, too little action.

Why is Knowlton not fired yet? Why hasn't Carol ever mentioned the re-branding effort she proudly announced a year ago? No follow up.

Why are none of our supposed whale donors coming to the rescue. Because no one has faith in the leadership.

What do you see? You see, Failed Leadership.

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We have been told that men's rugby is self funded and it is a varsity sport. In fact according a MOU between Cal and rugby that expired in 2021 (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3229571-9-12-12-Cal-Rugby-Advisory-Board-MOU-Rugby.htm), rugby also paid $150,000 annually for women's lacrosse. If rugby loses varsity status and goes club, that does nothing about rugby revenue but it does take men's rugby out of the title 9 equation allowing Cal some room to cut enough sports, maybe even women's sports if enough men's sports are cut but still be compliant with title 9. When this MOU was signed, I think that Cal was one of maybe 2-3 colleges with varsity rugby programs. Now there are 5 in NCAA Division 1. (https://scholarshipstats.com/rugby).

Cal's women's rugby is a club sport. (https://recwell.berkeley.edu/competitive-programs/sport-clubs/)

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you've got to be kidding. Even Clark would laugh. One more name

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The hate boner this board for Dykes is ridiculous. People were celebrating TCU's loss to Georgia, completely ignoring what it took to get the championship game in the first place.

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I dont hate him.
Was rooting for him in the National Championship.

I just know that he was 19 - 30 after four years at CAL.
Conference: 0-9, 3-6, 4-5, 3-6.

It didnt work out.

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Yup - admin's are screwing up both academics and athletics. Too much bureaucracy, too little accountability, too little action.

Why is Knowlton not fired yet? Why hasn't Carol ever mentioned the re-branding effort she proudly announced a year ago? No follow up.

Why are none of our supposed whale donors coming to the rescue. Because no one has faith in the leadership.

What do you see? You see, Failed Leadership.

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New Year, Same Administration . . .

Knowlton and Simon-O'Neill still have a job.

New Year, Same Administration: Former Cal Swimmers Still 'Waiting for Accountability' (swimswam.com)

In answer to the OP's question....

I will be showing up at Spieker every chance I get to root the Bears to a 3-Peat and watch this NCAA MVP Dominate!

F-USC!

Is this a collegiate football thread.? I respect water polo but why is it always introduced into the football growl? Like a zero comp.

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southseasbear said:

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calumnus said:

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DiabloWags said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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You keep repeating this on every thread. Move on!

Sonny Dykes is legit competing for national championships while our lame duck head coach is hoping to win 6 games.

We look like massive losers with how the Sonny Dykes situation turned out.

Now look at us, completely unwanted, in this beyond embarrassing situation. But sure keep reminding us about Sonny's lack of defense. Sad.

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Cool story.

Or are you going to tell me that Dykes was able to RECRUIT the same kind of talent level to come to CAL as he did at TCU?

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Actually better, like 5 star Demetris Robertson. He had a top 10 offense at Cal. Wilcox had a top 10 defense with the players Dykes recruited.

He was in his first year at TCU last year, so it was mostly players he inherited that he coached to the National Championship game. Huge turnaround.

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The hate boner this board for Dykes is ridiculous. People were celebrating TCU's loss to Georgia, completely ignoring what it took to get the championship game in the first place.

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Dykes was not successful at Cal. That is a fact regardless of the reasons. I bear (sorry for the pun) him no malice as I think he put his heart into his job and left Cal better than he found it. I think he is a great coach who just didn't succeed here. I think the same of Marv Levy: a great coach (NFL HOF) who was not successful in his brief tenure here. I rooted for Levy in Kansas City and Buffalo. I rooted for Dykes at SMU and TCU. I root for Tedford. I would like to see Dykes and Tedford so successful that they are inducted in the CFB HOF because I appreciate their efforts with our school and it would be good for Cal to have two more past coaches in the HOF along with Andy Smith, Buck Shaw, and Pappy Waldorf.

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I haven't seen anyone on here proclaim that he was successful at Cal. Record wise, he wasn't. The situation he inherited from Tedford (APR disaster) made it virtually impossible for him to be successful.

He did groom Goff into the #1 pick and did a good job with Davis Webb. He brought in some elite recruits too. His offense were explosive, his defenses were generally bad to awful.

It was his first big time HC job (P5). He made some critical mistakes (Andy Buh, etc) but he has learned from them and has since accomplished some phenomenal things.

Won 10 games at SMU (first time the school has done that in over 30 years)
First coach ever to take a team to the playoff and win a game in his first year
2022 Big 12 coach of the year
2022 AP coach of the year

But for some reason so many weird Cal fans want to bring up his crappy defenses from a decade ago. We are potentially heading to the MWC, why are we still talking about this? Move on!

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I was always something of a Sonny Dykes fan and still am. The reason I still bring up his crappy defenses is that sometimes we discuss our history, good and bad. Dykes' defenses and Wilcox's offenses are pretty much what has kept them from being successful at Cal, so they are worthy of note.

Point taken (you and others) that there was a lot of anti-Sonny feelings on this board, much of which were unjustified, IMO.

Big C said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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southseasbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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DiabloWags said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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You keep repeating this on every thread. Move on!

Sonny Dykes is legit competing for national championships while our lame duck head coach is hoping to win 6 games.

We look like massive losers with how the Sonny Dykes situation turned out.

Now look at us, completely unwanted, in this beyond embarrassing situation. But sure keep reminding us about Sonny's lack of defense. Sad.

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Cool story.

Or are you going to tell me that Dykes was able to RECRUIT the same kind of talent level to come to CAL as he did at TCU?

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Actually better, like 5 star Demetris Robertson. He had a top 10 offense at Cal. Wilcox had a top 10 defense with the players Dykes recruited.

He was in his first year at TCU last year, so it was mostly players he inherited that he coached to the National Championship game. Huge turnaround.

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The hate boner this board for Dykes is ridiculous. People were celebrating TCU's loss to Georgia, completely ignoring what it took to get the championship game in the first place.

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Dykes was not successful at Cal. That is a fact regardless of the reasons. I bear (sorry for the pun) him no malice as I think he put his heart into his job and left Cal better than he found it. I think he is a great coach who just didn't succeed here. I think the same of Marv Levy: a great coach (NFL HOF) who was not successful in his brief tenure here. I rooted for Levy in Kansas City and Buffalo. I rooted for Dykes at SMU and TCU. I root for Tedford. I would like to see Dykes and Tedford so successful that they are inducted in the CFB HOF because I appreciate their efforts with our school and it would be good for Cal to have two more past coaches in the HOF along with Andy Smith, Buck Shaw, and Pappy Waldorf.

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I haven't seen anyone on here proclaim that he was successful at Cal. Record wise, he wasn't. The situation he inherited from Tedford (APR disaster) made it virtually impossible for him to be successful.

He did groom Goff into the #1 pick and did a good job with Davis Webb. He brought in some elite recruits too. His offense were explosive, his defenses were generally bad to awful.

It was his first big time HC job (P5). He made some critical mistakes (Andy Buh, etc) but he has learned from them and has since accomplished some phenomenal things.

Won 10 games at SMU (first time the school has done that in over 30 years)
First coach ever to take a team to the playoff and win a game in his first year
2022 Big 12 coach of the year
2022 AP coach of the year

But for some reason so many weird Cal fans want to bring up his crappy defenses from a decade ago. We are potentially heading to the MWC, why are we still talking about this? Move on!

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I was always something of a Sonny Dykes fan and still am. The reason I still bring up his crappy defenses is that sometimes we discuss our history, good and bad. Dykes' defenses and Wilcox's offenses are pretty much what has kept them from being successful at Cal, so they are worthy of note.

Point taken (you and others) that there was a lot of anti-Sonny feelings on this board, much of which were unjustified, IMO.

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It is history.

Difference between Dykes and Wilcox is that SD has proven he can win. He's evolved, his defenses are pretty decent now.

The exact opposite with Wilcox. He has never proven he can win. His offenses are bad and boring. Hope Spav can change that…

StarsDoMatter said:

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Big C said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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southseasbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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DiabloWags said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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You keep repeating this on every thread. Move on!

Sonny Dykes is legit competing for national championships while our lame duck head coach is hoping to win 6 games.

We look like massive losers with how the Sonny Dykes situation turned out.

Now look at us, completely unwanted, in this beyond embarrassing situation. But sure keep reminding us about Sonny's lack of defense. Sad.

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Cool story.

Or are you going to tell me that Dykes was able to RECRUIT the same kind of talent level to come to CAL as he did at TCU?

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Actually better, like 5 star Demetris Robertson. He had a top 10 offense at Cal. Wilcox had a top 10 defense with the players Dykes recruited.

He was in his first year at TCU last year, so it was mostly players he inherited that he coached to the National Championship game. Huge turnaround.

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The hate boner this board for Dykes is ridiculous. People were celebrating TCU's loss to Georgia, completely ignoring what it took to get the championship game in the first place.

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Dykes was not successful at Cal. That is a fact regardless of the reasons. I bear (sorry for the pun) him no malice as I think he put his heart into his job and left Cal better than he found it. I think he is a great coach who just didn't succeed here. I think the same of Marv Levy: a great coach (NFL HOF) who was not successful in his brief tenure here. I rooted for Levy in Kansas City and Buffalo. I rooted for Dykes at SMU and TCU. I root for Tedford. I would like to see Dykes and Tedford so successful that they are inducted in the CFB HOF because I appreciate their efforts with our school and it would be good for Cal to have two more past coaches in the HOF along with Andy Smith, Buck Shaw, and Pappy Waldorf.

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I haven't seen anyone on here proclaim that he was successful at Cal. Record wise, he wasn't. The situation he inherited from Tedford (APR disaster) made it virtually impossible for him to be successful.

He did groom Goff into the #1 pick and did a good job with Davis Webb. He brought in some elite recruits too. His offense were explosive, his defenses were generally bad to awful.

It was his first big time HC job (P5). He made some critical mistakes (Andy Buh, etc) but he has learned from them and has since accomplished some phenomenal things.

Won 10 games at SMU (first time the school has done that in over 30 years)
First coach ever to take a team to the playoff and win a game in his first year
2022 Big 12 coach of the year
2022 AP coach of the year

But for some reason so many weird Cal fans want to bring up his crappy defenses from a decade ago. We are potentially heading to the MWC, why are we still talking about this? Move on!

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I was always something of a Sonny Dykes fan and still am. The reason I still bring up his crappy defenses is that sometimes we discuss our history, good and bad. Dykes' defenses and Wilcox's offenses are pretty much what has kept them from being successful at Cal, so they are worthy of note.

Point taken (you and others) that there was a lot of anti-Sonny feelings on this board, much of which were unjustified, IMO.

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It is history.

Difference between Dykes and Wilcox is that SD has proven he can win. He's evolved, his defenses are pretty decent now.

The exact opposite with Wilcox. He has never proven he can win. His offenses are bad and boring. Hope Spav can change that…

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And Wilcox's defenses have been deteriorating.

If Rugby still exists at Cal, Cal Strong would switch some of his energy there. The rest he would pour into coaching youth basketball to Maori kids at risk, lifting weights, working on Middle East peace, and planting tomatillos.

Totally weak. Rugby. Strong even calling it quits

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Is this a collegiate football thread.? I respect water polo but why is it always introduced into the football growl? Like a zero comp.

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Is your READING COMPREHENSION really this weak?

Try reading the title of the thread.
TypiCal.

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cal83dls79 said:

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Is this a collegiate football thread.? I respect water polo but why is it always introduced into the football growl? Like a zero comp.

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Is your READING COMPREHENSION really this weak?

Try reading the title of the thread.
Duh.

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it's not about water polo. Duh. The water polo guys interjected into football is what is weak. Names being taken

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Big C said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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southseasbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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DiabloWags said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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You keep repeating this on every thread. Move on!

Sonny Dykes is legit competing for national championships while our lame duck head coach is hoping to win 6 games.

We look like massive losers with how the Sonny Dykes situation turned out.

Now look at us, completely unwanted, in this beyond embarrassing situation. But sure keep reminding us about Sonny's lack of defense. Sad.

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Cool story.

Or are you going to tell me that Dykes was able to RECRUIT the same kind of talent level to come to CAL as he did at TCU?

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Actually better, like 5 star Demetris Robertson. He had a top 10 offense at Cal. Wilcox had a top 10 defense with the players Dykes recruited.

He was in his first year at TCU last year, so it was mostly players he inherited that he coached to the National Championship game. Huge turnaround.

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The hate boner this board for Dykes is ridiculous. People were celebrating TCU's loss to Georgia, completely ignoring what it took to get the championship game in the first place.

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Dykes was not successful at Cal. That is a fact regardless of the reasons. I bear (sorry for the pun) him no malice as I think he put his heart into his job and left Cal better than he found it. I think he is a great coach who just didn't succeed here. I think the same of Marv Levy: a great coach (NFL HOF) who was not successful in his brief tenure here. I rooted for Levy in Kansas City and Buffalo. I rooted for Dykes at SMU and TCU. I root for Tedford. I would like to see Dykes and Tedford so successful that they are inducted in the CFB HOF because I appreciate their efforts with our school and it would be good for Cal to have two more past coaches in the HOF along with Andy Smith, Buck Shaw, and Pappy Waldorf.

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I haven't seen anyone on here proclaim that he was successful at Cal. Record wise, he wasn't. The situation he inherited from Tedford (APR disaster) made it virtually impossible for him to be successful.

He did groom Goff into the #1 pick and did a good job with Davis Webb. He brought in some elite recruits too. His offense were explosive, his defenses were generally bad to awful.

It was his first big time HC job (P5). He made some critical mistakes (Andy Buh, etc) but he has learned from them and has since accomplished some phenomenal things.

Won 10 games at SMU (first time the school has done that in over 30 years)
First coach ever to take a team to the playoff and win a game in his first year
2022 Big 12 coach of the year
2022 AP coach of the year

But for some reason so many weird Cal fans want to bring up his crappy defenses from a decade ago. We are potentially heading to the MWC, why are we still talking about this? Move on!

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I was always something of a Sonny Dykes fan and still am. The reason I still bring up his crappy defenses is that sometimes we discuss our history, good and bad. Dykes' defenses and Wilcox's offenses are pretty much what has kept them from being successful at Cal, so they are worthy of note.

Point taken (you and others) that there was a lot of anti-Sonny feelings on this board, much of which were unjustified, IMO.

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It is history.

Difference between Dykes and Wilcox is that SD has proven he can win. He's evolved, his defenses are pretty decent now.

The exact opposite with Wilcox. He has never proven he can win. His offenses are bad and boring. Hope Spav can change that…

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It took Dykes, what, like 10 years since he was hired at Cal (hired in 2012, fired in 2017, before stints at SMU then TCU) before he put everything together in P5 football? Who knows if he would've even shored up his defenses if he had stayed at Cal all these years.

I'm hoping we don't need to fire Wilcox for him to have his wake-up call and that branching out beyond his PNW comfort zone with coaches with Spavital is a sign that he's changed course on his hiring philosophy for the better.

Incidentally, Beau Baldwin got hired as ASU's OC/QB coach for 2023. I'm very curious to see how he fares in that role at a different school. Same with the Browns NFL offense this year (where Musgrave is now at albeit in a minor role as an Sr. Offensive Assistant). Those two coaches seeing success elsewhere would definitely be another point against Wilcox.

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StarsDoMatter said:

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southseasbear said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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calumnus said:

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DiabloWags said:

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StarsDoMatter said:

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You keep repeating this on every thread. Move on!

Sonny Dykes is legit competing for national championships while our lame duck head coach is hoping to win 6 games.

We look like massive losers with how the Sonny Dykes situation turned out.

Now look at us, completely unwanted, in this beyond embarrassing situation. But sure keep reminding us about Sonny's lack of defense. Sad.

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Cool story.

Or are you going to tell me that Dykes was able to RECRUIT the same kind of talent level to come to CAL as he did at TCU?

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Actually better, like 5 star Demetris Robertson. He had a top 10 offense at Cal. Wilcox had a top 10 defense with the players Dykes recruited.

He was in his first year at TCU last year, so it was mostly players he inherited that he coached to the National Championship game. Huge turnaround.

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The hate boner this board for Dykes is ridiculous. People were celebrating TCU's loss to Georgia, completely ignoring what it took to get the championship game in the first place.

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Dykes was not successful at Cal. That is a fact regardless of the reasons. I bear (sorry for the pun) him no malice as I think he put his heart into his job and left Cal better than he found it. I think he is a great coach who just didn't succeed here. I think the same of Marv Levy: a great coach (NFL HOF) who was not successful in his brief tenure here. I rooted for Levy in Kansas City and Buffalo. I rooted for Dykes at SMU and TCU. I root for Tedford. I would like to see Dykes and Tedford so successful that they are inducted in the CFB HOF because I appreciate their efforts with our school and it would be good for Cal to have two more past coaches in the HOF along with Andy Smith, Buck Shaw, and Pappy Waldorf.

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I haven't seen anyone on here proclaim that he was successful at Cal. Record wise, he wasn't. The situation he inherited from Tedford (APR disaster) made it virtually impossible for him to be successful.

He did groom Goff into the #1 pick and did a good job with Davis Webb. He brought in some elite recruits too. His offense were explosive, his defenses were generally bad to awful.

It was his first big time HC job (P5). He made some critical mistakes (Andy Buh, etc) but he has learned from them and has since accomplished some phenomenal things.

Won 10 games at SMU (first time the school has done that in over 30 years)
First coach ever to take a team to the playoff and win a game in his first year
2022 Big 12 coach of the year
2022 AP coach of the year

But for some reason so many weird Cal fans want to bring up his crappy defenses from a decade ago. We are potentially heading to the MWC, why are we still talking about this? Move on!

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I was always something of a Sonny Dykes fan and still am. The reason I still bring up his crappy defenses is that sometimes we discuss our history, good and bad. Dykes' defenses and Wilcox's offenses are pretty much what has kept them from being successful at Cal, so they are worthy of note.

Point taken (you and others) that there was a lot of anti-Sonny feelings on this board, much of which were unjustified, IMO.

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It is history.

Difference between Dykes and Wilcox is that SD has proven he can win. He's evolved, his defenses are pretty decent now.

The exact opposite with Wilcox. He has never proven he can win. His offenses are bad and boring. Hope Spav can change that…

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It took Dykes, what, like 10 years since he was hired at Cal (hired in 2012, fired in 2017, before stints at SMU then TCU) before he put everything together in P5 football? Who knows if he would've even shored up his defenses if he had stayed at Cal all these years.

I'm hoping we don't need to fire Wilcox for him to have his wake-up call and that branching out beyond his PNW comfort zone with coaches with Spavital is a sign that he's changed course on his hiring philosophy for the better.

Incidentally, Beau Baldwin got hired as ASU's OC/QB coach for 2023. I'm very curious to see how he fares in that role at a different school. Same with the Browns NFL offense this year (where Musgrave is now at albeit in a minor role as an Sr. Offensive Assistant). Those two coaches seeing success elsewhere would definitely be another point against Wilcox.

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He was the AP coach of the year in his first season at TCU. Won a college football play off game. 10 years to get to that level is a major achievement imo

He was pretty successful at SMU and did some great things at Louisiana Tech.

He didn't do well at Cal, no argument about that. Which is so darn unfortunate, because he's a really good coach.

Since people in Hawaii love volleyball, I already follow Hawaii women's team in the fall and men's team in the spring in addition to Cal football.

cal83dls79 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Is this a collegiate football thread.? I respect water polo but why is it always introduced into the football growl? Like a zero comp.

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Is your READING COMPREHENSION really this weak?

Try reading the title of the thread.
Duh.

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it's not about water polo. Duh. The water polo guys interjected into football is what is weak. Names being taken.

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Names being taken???

Whats next ...
Rock, Paper, Scissors?

Some of you guys on this thread are losing it.
You have an opportunity to choose to either be a WINNER or a LOSER.
You can be STRONG or you can be WEAK.
It's your choice.

I know what I'm choosing.

Boot said:

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I'd keep following Bowdoin College D3 like I do now. Go Polar Bears!

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Colonel Chamberlain's school.

My son is starting his graduate program at UCLA in Chemistry. I will adopt UCLA as my new school. *****Cal and it's incompetent administrators. I regret attending Cal. I should have chosen UCLA.

BearinOC said:

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My son is starting his graduate program at UCLA in Chemistry. I will adopt UCLA as my new school. *****Cal and it's incompetent administrators. I regret attending Cal. I should have chosen UCLA.

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BearinOC WEAK. No pride. No strength. No backbone.

Soft. As. Baby. Poop.

Toughen up your thinking BearinOC. Be more like Cal . . . less like the weak bear who just posted what BearinOC posted.

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Why is Knowlton not fired yet?

What do you see? You see, Failed Leadership.

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For whatever it worth, of the three leadership teams that were talking to Cal Strong about coming onboard . . . Knowlton and his team were the least interested (followed by Moguluf). Knowlton seems very confident that he knows what he doing and needs no assistance.

The Chancellor's team was most receptive.

So if one hates Cal Strong . . . then one probably also trusts Knowlton's judgement

Strangely, the AD's team and Moguluf teams are the ones who are most likely to blame Cal professors, Cal alumni, and Berkeley coaches for the failures of the athletic department. They won't accept outside help because they are hyper-confident they have all the answers. Yet they are simultaneously certain that the decks are so stacked against them that they might fail (through no fault of their own, of course).

Cal Strong's position is that this crisis isn't just manageable, but that it is winnable . . . if we stop making excuses and start making strong decisions immediately (not weeks or months from now).