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That is not the issue Shocky. The issue is Wilcox doing the same stuff. Whenever we get something good it never stays. Fernando Mendoza, Jaydn Ott, Jet Thomas, Endries, Makai Polk, and the list goes on. Oh and the ineptness of the "MONSTER" offensive line. Justin Wilcox has let #aye run an OLine that folds like a bunch of cheap lawn chairs. So was last year. How do you whiff on so many offensive linemen ? And this year, it took JW 9 games to get that OLine corrected. I mean Ruffin was snapping the ball sideways and above a 6'3 quarterback. Every year, every year the MONSTER Offensive line just folds on their butt (however coach anae is slightly better).

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Sturdivant's career went to crap

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WR1 at Florida is still better than WR1 at Cal in terms of recruiting prospects. On top of all the NIL he's received since he left

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Disagree, Florida is 3-7, and I doubt their QB is in the same league as JKS. His NFL prospects would have been far better at Cal.

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Florida is regularly watched by 5-6 million a game while we may be lucky to get a 1 million viewer game a season. He would be a virtual unknown at Cal. When was the last we sent a WR to the draft?

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I feel like it might have been Isaac Curtis in 1973. 15th pick in the 1st Round. 12 seasons with the Bengals. 3x 2nd team all-pro, 4 pro bowls, 416 receptions for 7,101 yards, and 53 touchdowns.

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To the draft?
Wesley Walker.
Desean Jackson
Kennan Allen

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You forgot (from my college days onward) Bobby Shaw, Marvin Jones, Lavelle Hawkins, Chase Lyman, Dameane Douglas, Trevor Davis, Kenny Lawler, and Chad Hansen. That said, it's been about a decade since Cal WR was drafted. I still think if J Mike had stayed at Cal, he would've been a draft pick. But he chose to take his talents elsewhere (twice).

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I'm convinced had Chase Lyman not had that knee injury, he has a decently long NFL career.

fwiw (not sure if it's been mentioned yet). on the MNF wrap up show with Larry Beil and Mike Pawlawski they said there was a Wilcox chant coming from locker room after the last W

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fwiw (not sure if it's been mentioned yet). on the MNF wrap up show with Larry Beil and Mike Pawlawski they said there was a Wilcox chant coming from locker room after the last W

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It has been heavily discussed primarily on the pay side of BI. JMO but that looked to be more like a tribute to a likely departing HC than an impromptu celebration.

It was a very nice. I am quite sure most of the players like JW personally. He is a nice enough person and likely much different than many HCs in how he interacts with the players. The staff are here because JW hired them and will always support him publicly.

Cal needs to win now. I am of the belief that a change is needed. I get it costs money. Some business decisions require difficult choices but are necessary to move the enterprise forward. IMO this is one of those decisions.

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cal's o-line played it's best game of the season in louisville last saturday in the upset road victory against the #15 ranked team in the nation with 4 new starters plus moko!!

shocky has spoken to jeff tedford recently (have you too??) & he will be the 1st to tell u that wuz different times in college football before the arms race

Berkeley vs UNC pic.twitter.com/NGPrgFTgwZ

— Reese Adams (@ReeseAdams76102) October 22, 2025

curious how ur plan of firing wilcox works out from a financial perspective of paying off $15,000,000 in salaries & then hiring a new staff for another $15,000,000 in new salaries and still having $15,500,000 for nil funding while assembling this staff before the critical early january 10 day transfer portal window?

and do you have an actual name for this mythical coach that is willing to forego recruiting 2.5 gpa +1 athletes to be limited by berkeley's academic requirements with respects to gpas??

if u don't have a name then ur just talking outta ur azz and there's nothing wrong with that but it probably makes breathing kinda difficult or something

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Shocky, you are making up a fake $45 million total of new money needed.

Moreover, by your logic we should have kept Knowlton and should not be wasting money on Rivera.

So do you advocate extending Wilcox or just playing out his contract without any extension?

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It is possible the total cost is $45M but $30M will be paid regardless. The only new costs will be the cost of a new staff. Wilcox and his staff and NIL are already baked into the cake. Cal has an enormous alumni base with a huge net worth. Rivera is no doubt attempting to tap into that to help cover costs. Also some of this shortfall can and will be covered by increased attendance. Cal has a very good home schedule next season (UCLA, Clemson and Stanford and VaTech with Franklin). I also anticipate that some of the current staffers will be retained under a new HC and may actually be welcomed by certain coaches that may be considered.

As to GPA's. Sure it makes it very difficult to compete with Alabama, Ohio St or some other blueblood programs that will accept nearly any student if they are elite at ball. Cal is not a national title contending program. But it is beyond ridiculous that Cal has a 15 season streak of non .500 conference records. But with a little investment and solid hiring Cal can be a tough out for anyone in the ACC and routinely draw 50K crowds to CMS. There are enough acceptable students that can play ball for Cal to be competitive. And the transfer portal and grad certificate programs have expanded the base of players.

Cal is trying to get some programs fully endowed so money can be shifted to football. I agree with many that Cal needs to take a serious look at reducing the total number of sports and downsize athletic bureaucrats. Including Jenny and Jay.

There are a lot of ways to make up any shortfalls but it takes some genuine hard work, courage and desire to make it happen.It may fail but I am 100% for trying. If you do not try Cal football and hoops gets relegated and all the programs suffer and University prestige is seriously harmed.

Cal is on the hook for Wilcox and staff already and they have committed to be a full particpant in the revenue share. So hiring a new HC and that staff is really the only new cost. JMO but if Cal is unwilling or unable to make a change and truly invest in football then why did they hire Rivera. They did hire him so I am willing to see if Ron can turn this ship around. Lyons needs to do his part and cut out the dead weight. Both in personnel and programs.

"Cal can produce"?

They accepted an offered scholarship (and probably a little pocket money."

Those days are gone.

Now it's about $$$ and exposure to the P2 $$$$$$$ offers.

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Did this post age well? - After the upset victory 2 weeks ago, and chance for 4th Big Game victory in a row?? Let's fire Wilcox today,

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You only think that because you look at everything week to week. The question isn't what we did last week. It's what we did the last 9 years. One win changes nothing.

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Did this post age well? - After the upset victory 2 weeks ago, and chance for 5th Big Game victory in a row?? Let's fire Wilcox today,

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Brings him to 5-9 in the ACC with our easiest schedules in our modern history.

These are the type of fans that want Wilsux for 20 years !

"As long as Wilsux gives us a ranked win, we are happy with 6-6 !"

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These are the type of fans that want Wilsux for 20 years !

"As long as Wilsux gives us a ranked win, we are happy with 6-6 !"

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Almost every fan here wants Wilcox gone if he goes 6-6. It seems like the upset win is causing you to have a tantrum. Have some ice cream.

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That is not the issue Shocky. The issue is Wilcox doing the same stuff. Whenever we get something good it never stays. Fernando Mendoza, Jaydn Ott, Jet Thomas, Endries, Makai Polk, and the list goes on. Oh and the ineptness of the "MONSTER" offensive line. Justin Wilcox has let #aye run an OLine that folds like a bunch of cheap lawn chairs. So was last year. How do you whiff on so many offensive linemen ? And this year, it took JW 9 games to get that OLine corrected. I mean Ruffin was snapping the ball sideways and above a 6'3 quarterback. Every year, every year the MONSTER Offensive line just folds on their butt (however coach anae is slightly better).

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Sturdivant's career went to crap

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WR1 at Florida is still better than WR1 at Cal in terms of recruiting prospects. On top of all the NIL he's received since he left

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Disagree, Florida is 3-7, and I doubt their QB is in the same league as JKS. His NFL prospects would have been far better at Cal.

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Florida is regularly watched by 5-6 million a game while we may be lucky to get a 1 million viewer game a season. He would be a virtual unknown at Cal. When was the last we sent a WR to the draft?

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I feel like it might have been Isaac Curtis in 1973. 15th pick in the 1st Round. 12 seasons with the Bengals. 3x 2nd team all-pro, 4 pro bowls, 416 receptions for 7,101 yards, and 53 touchdowns.

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Wesley Walker.
Desean Jackson
Kennan Allen

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You forgot (from my college days onward) Bobby Shaw, Marvin Jones, Lavelle Hawkins, Chase Lyman, Dameane Douglas, Trevor Davis, Kenny Lawler, and Chad Hansen. That said, it's been about a decade since Cal WR was drafted. I still think if J Mike had stayed at Cal, he would've been a draft pick. But he chose to take his talents elsewhere (twice).

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I'm convinced had Chase Lyman not had that knee injury, he has a decently long NFL career.

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Geoff MacArthur and his injuries too.

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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VT has one other FBS win other than Cal. All it took was their interim coach figuring out that we couldn't stop the run, so they just ran the same run play over and over…

Nearly every year now Wilcox loses to the conference team with the worst record on our schedule, often giving them their only FBS win. This year it was VT. Last year it was FSU, in prior years it was Colorado, Arizona…. Tough to challenge for conference championships when you lose to the worst team on your conference schedule and are challenging for the cellar every year.

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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01Bear said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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01Bear said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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I agree with firing Wilcox regardless, but letting a 19 year old have veto power over the next coach is completely short sighted and wrong

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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They have said "if he loses Big Game he should be gone" as if after 9 years of losing one win against a bad Stanford team with an interim coach should be determinative of whether he is the best coach for Cal in the future. Talk about recency bias.

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jy1988 said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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Who cares where they draw the line? They're wrong. And I say this as someone who is willing to accept relegation if it occurs, just because there's so many aspects to P4 football as it currently exists that I can barely stand. We need a new coach, and we need to retain JKS. Those are the facts.

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Jeff82 said:

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01Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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I agree with firing Wilcox regardless, but letting a 19 year old have veto power over the next coach is completely short sighted and wrong

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Short-sighted is where it's at, if those who think we're already in danger of relegation are to be believed. If that's not the case, maybe we have more leeway to do a longer rebuild. But if not, you need something to build on, and this quarterback is that.

Wilcox was pleading for a "Recruiting Facility" at the stadium for the last 6 years, to be competitive with the other programs in the nation. Nothing. Gridlock.

Riverboat gets here and its done in 5 months.

Laiatu Latu, a defensive lineman from UCLA, who was 15th pick in the NFL draft by the Colts 3 years ago was dying to come to Cal. He was a local kid, from Jesuit HS. This is the only place he wanted to play. The medical staff wouldn't pass him. He was worth at least a 2 wins. An impact player. The medical staff at UCLA cleared him and an NFL team felt comfortable enough to draft him in the first round.

My point is Wilcox has been fighting the dragon here for 8 years. Zero support. Dumb ass AD.

If Riverboat is here, Latu is on the Cal roster and gets medical clearance.

Now, he finally gets someone like Riverboat to clear the brush for him and focus on football issues. He deserves to see what is possible with a GM running interference.

The margins to win at Cal are too thin. Go ahead and blow the program up. Start from scratch.

As a HOF player told me, go ahead and fire him, who the hell are they gonna get to coach at Cal.

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Neither will 7-5, given this season's weak schedule.

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jy1988 said:

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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8-4 is necessary to even CONSIDER retaining Wilcox. Anything less then 8 wins and adios.

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The margins to win at Cal are too thin. Go ahead and blow the program up. Start from scratch.

As a HOF player told me, go ahead and fire him, who the hell are they gonna get to coach at Cal.

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What kind of garbage excuse is that? It's one thing to make that statement about James Franklin and whether PSU can get the same caliber of success with a re-roll of a dice. It's another to ask whether a coach can be better than "one hand tied behind his back" Wilcox who has never had a winning conference record in 8 seasons despite playing increasingly weak programs.

Not trying for a new coach now is the equivalent of getting a 15 in blackjack and deciding to stand. The upside far outweighs the downside

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Wilcox was pleading for a "Recruiting Facility" at the stadium for the last 6 years, to be competitive with the other programs in the nation. Nothing. Gridlock.

Riverboat gets here and its done in 5 months.

Laiatu Latu, a defensive lineman from UCLA, who was 15th pick in the NFL draft by the Colts 3 years ago was dying to come to Cal. He was a local kid, from Jesuit HS. This is the only place he wanted to play. The medical staff wouldn't pass him. He was worth at least a 2 wins. An impact player. The medical staff at UCLA cleared him and an NFL team felt comfortable enough to draft him in the first round.

My point is Wilcox has been fighting the dragon here for 8 years. Zero support. Dumb ass AD.

If Riverboat is here, Latu is on the Cal roster and gets medical clearance.

Now, he finally gets someone like Riverboat to clear the brush for him and focus on football issues. He deserves to see what is possible with a GM running interference.

The margins to win at Cal are too thin. Go ahead and blow the program up. Start from scratch.

As a HOF player told me, go ahead and fire him, who the hell are they gonna get to coach at Cal.

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A guy who earns nearly $5m a year doesn't deserve anything but his pay check and buyout.


Indiana knew they weren't giving their coach the support he needed to be successful. So they decided to invest in football. Investment number one was paying the coach his buyout and show him the door. Step one to starting a new era is to shut the door on the old one

This is a big boy activity and you don't get year 10 after years of failure because the school decided to provide more support and "it's just not fair!" and maybe you'd be better now. There has been nothing to indicate he is the guy.

I'll bottom line this. Cal fans wanted Rivera because they wanted change. They've given him the season because he was hired too late to fire Wilcox. If he doesn't it will be a big sign nothing is changing and a very large number of Cal fans will walk. Even if Wilcox is Vince Lombardi waiting to be unleashed, it is too late. Blame Cal. Blame impatient fans. Whatever. It's Wilcox or the fanbase at this point.

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01Bear said:

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01Bear said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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8-4 with a win over Stanfurd is acceptable to keep him or let him go. Nobody is going to hyper analyze our 8-4, 9-4, or 8-5 finish and say we are getting relegated in 2030 because 01, Calalumnus and Brightbear thought we had too easy of a schedule. The only way we can get an in demand coach to come here, if Wilcox leaves after going 9-4, is if it was mutually agreed upon. Even then, this new coach will have reservations about having to turn a mustang into a ferrari (which a few special coaches can indeed do but many are fired after failing).

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Ah yes. The old no Coach will want to coach at Cal if we have such a hair trigger on firing that we fire a coach after 9 years argument.

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oski003 said:

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01Bear said:

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Jeff82 said:

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01Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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8-4 with a win over Stanfurd is acceptable to keep him or let him go. Nobody is going to hyper analyze our 8-4, 9-4, or 8-5 finish and say we are getting relegated in 2030 because 01, Calalumnus and Brightbear thought we had too easy of a schedule. The only way we can get an in demand coach to come here, if Wilcox leaves after going 9-4, is if it was mutually agreed upon. Even then, this new coach will have reservations about having to turn a mustang into a ferrari (which a few special coaches can indeed do but many are fired after failing).

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Ah yes. The old no Coach will want to coach at Cal if we have such a hair trigger on firing that we fire a coach after 9 years argument.

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Ah yes, the old every coach wants to coach here after we fire a 9-4 coach who has to deal with a university that doesn't support football and a fanbase that demands 10 wins with less resources than the competition.

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01Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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8-4 with a win over Stanfurd is acceptable to keep him or let him go. Nobody is going to hyper analyze our 8-4, 9-4, or 8-5 finish and say we are getting relegated in 2030 because 01, Calalumnus and Brightbear thought we had too easy of a schedule. The only way we can get an in demand coach to come here, if Wilcox leaves after going 9-4, is if it was mutually agreed upon. Even then, this new coach will have reservations about having to turn a mustang into a ferrari (which a few special coaches can indeed do but many are fired after failing).

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Ah yes. The old no Coach will want to coach at Cal if we have such a hair trigger on firing that we fire a coach after 9 years argument.

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Ah yes, the old every coach wants to coach here after we fire a 9-4 coach who has to deal with a university that doesn't support football and a fanbase that demands 10 wins with less resources than the competition.

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Your arrogance and delusion truly knows no bounds. We are a 6-4 team that got crushed by SMU last year and haven't won a bowl game since 2019 and yet you like to pretend Wilcox is an under-appreciated 9-4 coach that will be unjustly sacked. There is an extremely high chance that we end the season 7-6, and potentially even worse. If we don't win on Saturday, we should just leave Wilcox in Palo Alto.