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Maybe the players think they'd be traded from the dumpster fire if they played better. That's a huge motivation.

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The adults are taking now, junior. Now go and get your shine box.

GMP is big leaguing!

The Ringer article is a worthwhile read. For one, they highlight the limitations of their own analysis because of how some of the more advanced technologies have changed how basically every player can be evaluated. And there's no doubt that teams know their own players with respect to attitude, work ethic and things technology can't help with. There's no doubt that there's gonna be significant differences between a team's valuation of a prospect is different than the Baseball Americas and Keith Laws of the world.

That said, I'm probably looking to sell of their bullpen arms. Relievers are almost always over-valued given their volatility and injury concerns so it's nearly always an overpay. And the market is hot right now for bullpen arms with a lot of teams looking. I'm probably taking whatever I can get for those guys. Totally understand how Bumgarner's situation is a little more complex.

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Maybe the players think they'd be traded from the dumpster fire if they played better. That's a huge motivation.

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The adults are taking now, junior. Now go and get your shine box.

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Did you lose your job at OAK shoe shine? I can still find someone else to shine my shoes and tell me about the glory days when Bay Area teams used to be good (before and during Balco).

1988. 31 years ago.

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Maybe the players think they'd be traded from the dumpster fire if they played better. That's a huge motivation.

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The adults are taking now, junior. Now go and get your shine box.

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Did you lose your job at OAK shoe shine? I can still find someone else to shine my shoes and tell me about the glory days when Bay Area teams used to be good (before and during Balco).

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What? Both the Giants and A's have won championships since the Dodgers last did it.

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Maybe the players think they'd be traded from the dumpster fire if they played better. That's a huge motivation.

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The adults are taking now, junior. Now go and get your shine box.

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Did you lose your job at OAK shoe shine? I can still find someone else to shine my shoes and tell me about the glory days when Bay Area teams used to be good (before and during Balco).

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Lolz.

Giants are rolling right now. Just swept a doubleheader in Colorado, 19-2 and then 2-1. Wild card not too far away. Guess we will see. Lot to think about. Beat LA!

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Maybe the players think they'd be traded from the dumpster fire if they played better. That's a huge motivation.

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The adults are taking now, junior. Now go and get your shine box.

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Did you lose your job at OAK shoe shine? I can still find someone else to shine my shoes and tell me about the glory days when Bay Area teams used to be good (before and during Balco).

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Huh?

This makes very little sense in more than one way.

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Giants are rolling right now. Just swept a doubleheader in Colorado, 19-2 and then 2-1. Wild card not too far away. Guess we will see. Lot to think about. Beat LA!

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Thank you, Dodgers, for helping us cut the Wild Card deficit to *3*. You can win 110 games for all I care, as long as you beat up on the Nats, Phillies, Cardinals, Brewers, Diamondbacks, and Rockies. Plus give us some breathing room against the Pirates, Reds, and Mets.

BREAKING NEWS: The Giants are in the tank this year.

Congratulations to Crawford. 5 hits and 8 rbis

Current probability Giants make the playoffs:

Fangraohs: 2%
Baseball Reference: 1%
Five thirty Eight: 4%
Baseball Prospectus: 1%

Not bad. I say hold pat, keep the assets, make no trades and roll the dice. Maybe even do some buying.

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Current probability Giants make the playoffs:

Fangraohs: 2%
Baseball Reference: 1%
Five thirty Eight: 4%
Baseball Prospectus: 1%

Not bad. I say hold pat, keep the assets, make no trades and roll the dice. Maybe even do some buying.

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Something like two weeks ago it was 0.1%. I'll take that upward trend.

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Current probability Giants make the playoffs:

Fangraohs: 2%
Baseball Reference: 1%
Five thirty Eight: 4%
Baseball Prospectus: 1%

Not bad. I say hold pat, keep the assets, make no trades and roll the dice. Maybe even do some buying.

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Something like two weeks ago it was 0.1%. I'll take that upward trend.

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Meanwhile, the Dodgers have established themselves -- over a period of years -- as one of the best April-September teams in modern baseball history. We Giant fans can only dream of success like that. (I mean, you know, from April-September.)

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Current probability Giants make the playoffs:

Fangraohs: 2%
Baseball Reference: 1%
Five thirty Eight: 4%
Baseball Prospectus: 1%

Not bad. I say hold pat, keep the assets, make no trades and roll the dice. Maybe even do some buying.

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Something like two weeks ago it was 0.1%. I'll take that upward trend.

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Meanwhile, the Dodgers have established themselves -- over a period of years -- as one of the best April-September teams in modern baseball history. We Giant fans can only dream of success like that. (I mean, you know, from April-September.)

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We had that from 2000-2003. Dodgers fans certainly did not give us a hard time about failing to win the World Series back then, no sir!

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

I think Buehler is fine and I'd still be high on him going forward. He got off to a very slow start because he essentially skipped spring training to conserve innings. And other than a recent Coors Field start where he got lit up, he's only had one sub-par start since the first few weeks of the season. All his peripherals are good, WHIP is below 1, velo is good, etc. Obviously tonight was a clunker but I wouldn't read too much into it. Probably just an outlier performance. Outside of tonight's game, Coors Field and the slow start, he's throwing high quality innings so I don't see any reasons to be down on him.

The only uncertainty for me is that the Dodgers have managed his workload carefully since TJ surgery and this year; he'll go well beyond what he's done in the past. We'll see if fatigue becomes an issue down the stretch.

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Only 2 of Buehler's runs were earned today, and it looks like the Dodgers will win again despite being down 6-1... Or not

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Only 2 of Buehler's runs were earned today, and it looks like the Dodgers will win again despite being down 6-1.

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You spoke too soon, and I assure you I'm not being sarcastic when I say that bums me out. I was hoping to gain more ground today.

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Only 2 of Buehler's runs were earned today, and it looks like the Dodgers will win again despite being down 6-1.

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You spoke too soon, and I assure you I'm not being sarcastic when I say that bums me out. I was hoping to gain more ground today.

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I understand that you need the good teams to beat the mediocre teams so that you can pass them and make the wildcard.

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Only 2 of Buehler's runs were earned today, and it looks like the Dodgers will win again despite being down 6-1.

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You spoke too soon, and I assure you I'm not being sarcastic when I say that bums me out. I was hoping to gain more ground today.

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I understand that you need the good teams to beat the mediocre teams so that you can pass them and make the wildcard.

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You are so boring, my dude. I already said this yesterday.

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Only 2 of Buehler's runs were earned today, and it looks like the Dodgers will win again despite being down 6-1.

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You spoke too soon, and I assure you I'm not being sarcastic when I say that bums me out. I was hoping to gain more ground today.

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I understand that you need the good teams to beat the mediocre teams so that you can pass them and make the wildcard.

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You are so boring, my dude. I already said this yesterday.

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Ok. Good for you.

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Serious question for you, GMP. If you're Farhan, do you hold out hope for a possible wild card bid or do you start to sell off guys with value like Bumgarner, Smith, etc to build a stronger team In the future? If i'm a Giants fan, I think I'd strongly prefer to be in selling mode. And there isn't a ton of time to make that decision.

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My turn: I have Buehler in a dynasty league. Picked him up way back when he was in A or AA. I thought he was a dark horse Cy candidate this year. So. What the hell is going on with him? I thought he had turned it around in June, but he's struggling again. What is the Dodger take on what's going on with him?

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Despite having a bad game right now, he has a lower ERA than all five starting pitchers on the giants staff. Wouldn't you be a better expert on bad pitching?

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Man. You keep trying! It's cute. Keep it up.

(No, I don't have any Giants pitchers on my team. No, I didn't expect any Giants pitchers to challenge for the Cy Young)

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I have to hand it to you. It is a smart play to focus on fantasy when your team has a four percent chance of making the playoffs.

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There are funny and knowledgeable Dodger fans in this thread. You are not one of them.

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Only 2 of Buehler's runs were earned today, and it looks like the Dodgers will win again despite being down 6-1.

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You spoke too soon, and I assure you I'm not being sarcastic when I say that bums me out. I was hoping to gain more ground today.

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I understand that you need the good teams to beat the mediocre teams so that you can pass them and make the wildcard.

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Dodgers blow two games this series to the Phillies - I think they may be on to our plot. Damnit.

No shame in a 4-3 roadie to Boston and Philly.

Didn't think I'd ever see the Giants back at .500 this year, so I'll just enjoy this for now.

Yep, 7 in a row! Don't know what started this, but sure looks good!

When your walkoff win is on a routine short pop fly to left and then a botched relay home you know something strange/special is going on.

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Gotta love it when a particular buffoon Giant fan takes solace in rooting for a Dodger pitcher as the team marches on to humiliate the division again. Classic

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First of all, the name calling is uncalled for.

Second of all, your beef must be with fantasy sports. Which is fine. But yeah, I invest time and money in it and I like to win.

Third of all, classic Dodger fan - celebrating the division titles when they haven't won a World Series since I was 6.

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Gotta love it when a particular buffoon Giant fan takes solace in rooting for a Dodger pitcher as the team marches on to humiliate the division again. Classic

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First of all, the name calling is uncalled for.

Second of all, your beef must be with fantasy sports. Which is fine. But yeah, I invest time and money in it and I like to win.

Third of all, classic Dodger fan - celebrating the division titles when they haven't won a World Series since I was 6.

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Soooo you're saying we shouldn't celebrate anything other than a World series Championship?

Maybe we should not celebrate the Bears having a winning season unless it leads to a Rose Bowl?