SonOfCalVa;842311783 said:

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Agree.
There's no cause for any concern if we don't get a QB this year. Next year will see another bunch of quality QBs on the table and we'll have a record much better than 1-11.

We're in decent (or better) shape at QB. The HS QBs seem unwilling to compete with Goff (& Luke) so they head elsewhere.

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SonOfCalVa;842311783 said:

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Not that long ago, $c had a very highly rated player leave because he couldn't get playing time so the future for these guys going to other schools is by no means certain. uDuh is loaded with QBs but hasn't found the guy yet.

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NYCGOBEARS;842312210 said:

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Exactly.

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beeasyed;842312404 said:

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LOL come on man, i know rooting for Cal is hard, but don't lie to yourself.

For one, we're not deep at QB. nobody with experience after Goff. And, you just don't pass up getting a great QB in a very deep western recruiting class--much better than next year's, not even close.

hardly the same situation. Scroggins couldn't win out AFTER being at $C for 2 seasons, so that made sense for him to transfer. doesn't mean they are scared to come into a school with other talented QBs and compete for the starting job.

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BearEatsTacos;842312407 said:

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I've heard of the Honors College at ASU. Have a couple friends who went there -- they are great students. It's mostly meant at keeping Arizona residents in ASU who otherwise would have left for a more prestigious public school elsewhere by giving them some perks and status. That said, it's nowhere close to a Cal education. ASU has pretty good faculty in many departments but I'd say the Honors College would put that kind of academic environment on the par of a lower-mid level UC.

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mbBear;842312431 said:

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you have this so backwards. What's shocking is that coming off of the season they had that Cal gets to a final 2 with a top 5 player at any position. And, being runner-up for a recruit is still "first loser," but if you want to vent then at least direct it to which O-linemen are coming to Cal, or something along those lines.

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mbBear;842312431 said:

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Again, this is such a predictable response simply because of the position. To me, maybe the least important position that Cal has to focus on in this recruiting class.

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MoragaBear;842312424 said:

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As someone who talked a lot to White and family I'll tell you, you don't know what you're talking about.

Why in the world would Cal be in his top three if they thought of Dykes and the TFS in this way? Why would Cal have led recently? Why did his whole family come on his return visit to Cal -the only time anyone but his dad went on a trip?

It makes no sense to project your frustrations on a recruit's though process.

Whether you agree with White and his family's conclusions, this was largely a depth chart decision.

And Rubenzer's a shade under 6 feet. No need to shrink him to 5'10" to bolster your point.

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heartofthebear;842312472 said:

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Using the same logic, why would he change so late when our depth chart has remained the same and ASU's hasn't either?

What you are implying is that he liked Cal but was just waiting for a team with a different depth chart to offer and so, when ASU did, he jumped on it.

He's had several months to evaluate various offers based on the depth charts involved and he stuck with Cal as a favorite knowing the situation with Goff. Then he gets an offer from ASU and changes presumably because of depth chart considerations.

....I suppose it's true. But it's also true that he said what would sound good and you believed him.

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heartofthebear;842312472 said:

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Using the same logic, why would he change so late when our depth chart has remained the same and ASU's hasn't either?

What you are implying is that he liked Cal but was just waiting for a team with a different depth chart to offer and so, when ASU did, he jumped on it.

He's had several months to evaluate various offers based on the depth charts involved and he stuck with Cal as a favorite knowing the situation with Goff. Then he gets an offer from ASU and changes presumably because of depth chart considerations.

....I suppose it's true. But it's also true that he said what would sound good and you believed him.

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MoragaBear;842312424 said:

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As someone who talked a lot to White and family I'll tell you, you don't know what you're talking about.

Why in the world would Cal be in his top three if they thought of Dykes and the TFS in this way? Why would Cal have led recently? Why did his whole family come on his return visit to Cal -the only time anyone but his dad went on a trip?

It makes no sense to project your frustrations on a recruit's though process.

Whether you agree with White and his family's conclusions, this was largely a depth chart decision.

And Rubenzer's a shade under 6 feet. No need to shrink him to 5'10" to bolster your point.

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hanky1;842312492 said:

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The main point of 58's post remains...the notion that QBs like White, Rosen, etc are afraid to compete w the 2 QBs we took last year is absurd. Some of the sunshine pumpers posting in this thread have lost their freakin minds. I suspect their reasons for not coming to cal have to do w 1 win and 11 losses. National recruits want to play for winners. We are losers right now.

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MoragaBear;842312498 said:

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The problem is, the main point you're both making isn't grounded in anything White has said and in fact, runs counter to what he and he father have said.

Rosen? 1-11 was absolutely the reason. Probably so with Browning, too.

I understand that fans having to cope with 4 lousy wins in 2 full seasons will make most anyone believe star players won't come to Cal without major connections or extenuating circumstances but it's just not the case with everyone.

Not sure what's hard for people to understand about some qb's not wanting to wait 2 years behind a 2 year starter.

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socaliganbear;842312497 said:

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Yep. Fans will believe/tell themselves what they need to, just like White told himself/media that an ASU honors college was comparable to "higher education schools".

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MoragaBear;842312498 said:

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The problem is, the main point you're both making isn't grounded in anything White has said and in fact, runs counter to what he and he father have said.

Rosen? 1-11 was absolutely the reason. Probably so with Browning, too.

I understand that fans having to cope with 4 lousy wins in 2 full seasons will make most anyone believe star players won't come to Cal without major connections or extenuating circumstances but it's just not the case with everyone.

Not sure what's hard for people to understand about some qb's not wanting to wait 2 years behind a 2 year starter.

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Cal Panda Bear;842312500 said:

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I think the problem here is twofold : 1) we went 1-11 and 2) Dykes straight up lost a recruiting battle because ASU has better recruiters. I mean come on - ASU was able to convince an academically oriented kid that their BS honors program is comparable to Cal. Seriously WTF.

Am I on the FireDykes train yet? No... But this is telling of him to strike out on 3 top QB prospects on the West that had Cal high on their list.

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Cal Panda Bear;842312500 said:

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MB you're definitely in the know more than I am but can you honestly say White or Rosen or Browning wouldn't come to Cal if we didn't go 1-11? Obviously Dykes has the balls to start a true freshman over other guys. I'm sure those three were not afraid of competition.

I think the problem here is twofold : 1) we went 1-11 and 2) Dykes straight up lost a recruiting battle because ASU has better recruiters. Am I on the FireDykes train yet? No... But this is telling of him to strike out on 3 top QB prospects on the West that had Cal high on their list.

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NVGolfingBear;842312487 said:

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I thought he switched because he wasn't aware of the ASU Honors College until his last trip and that completed his checklist of requirements:

1) outstanding school since I busted my azz for a 4.1 gpa in High School and a degree from Honor's College is right up there with...
2) a depth chart that offers little competition such as one starter, 2 incoming freshmen who were lightly recruited and 2 or more upperclassmen that haven't shown much... Sorry that's Cal
3) A head coach above reproach for his commitment to players at his last school...

I'll be the first to admit I made some questionable decision when I was young.

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going4roses;842312505 said:

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that is the way of recruiting college football.. some you win some you loose someh and lose a lot

special people attend and play for CAL.. this place is not meant for everyone

sonny and staff have recruited well thus far imo coming off a 1-11 campaign

stop acting like we didnt get 2 QBs in feb ..

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Darby;842312508 said:

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This depth chart stuff is just silly. Highly recruited kids are not worried about the depth chart on a 1-11 team. These guys with options are just looking for reasons not to go to Cal right now, unfortunately. Until Sonny wins some games that will continue to be the case.

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GivemTheAxe;842312417 said:

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Arizona people i know believe that UA is gead and shoulders ahead if ASU Are you saying that the Honors College allows ASU to approach or equal UA.

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mbBear;842312556 said:

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Just to add further speculation: I wonder if Treggs' comments are based on what he heard from White more or less first hand, if they met when White visited. Maybe White carried on with Treggs about academics, and then turned around and did this.
Let's face it-there are going to be plenty of commits to the lesser academic schools, so something triggered (yeah, okay, pun/irony) this specific reaction?

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going4roses;842312561 said:

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whomever or whatever .. it sounded personal

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BearEatsTacos;842312551 said:

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The folks I know in ASU Honors College had more options than just UA. I'm sure competing with UA is part of it as well.

Though in terms of the strength of both faculties overall (and here I'm talking about NRC rankings and academic reputation), UA and ASU are roughly in the same tier. If UA is head and shoulders above ASU, then Cal and UA are not in the same solar system.

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NVGolfingBear;842312487 said:

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I thought he switched because he wasn't aware of the ASU Honors College until his last trip and that completed his checklist of requirements:

1) outstanding school since I busted my azz for a 4.1 gpa in High School and a degree from Honor's College is right up there with...
2) a depth chart that offers little competition such as one starter, 2 incoming freshmen who were lightly recruited and 2 or more upperclassmen that haven't shown much... Sorry that's Cal
3) A head coach above reproach for his commitment to players at his last school...

I'll be the first to admit I made some questionable decision when I was young.

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bluebeargold;842312586 said:

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This is plain old getting out-recruited.

Kelly is starting this year. Bercovici next year. The year after that White would compete against a bunch (of equally or higher rated) QBs. That year, Goff would be a senior. Goff might not even make it that far (NFL, injury, whatever...). At most this kid would play one year earlier at ASU.

He may have told you that was the reason, but it makes no sense.

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