moonpod;842311825 said:

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I'm sorry this is a loser mentality. This is the we can't compete with the other programs in recruiting so we will just take the leftovers. While across the bay they can get whole they want?

Yeah we went 1-11 and so that's really hard to overcome. The staff has to target the "right guys" AND sell rebuilding/bright shiny new future. The staff ran hard at white and appears to (he hasn't commited yet) have lost a guy that claims to be academic minded to ASU. So either they can't sell rebuilding OR they are targeting the wrong guys. Anyway spilt milk. Onto Waller who will probably be an even tougher get.

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I was being sarcastic. Looking at the two responses I got that wasn't obvious enough. Probably should have used a smilie...

Whoops. Well it didn't help that you then had several posters agree

turkey02;842311655 said:

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No, football isn't bigger than the overall University.

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Obviously poster was kidding about stifling protests. If White doesn't want to see any student activists then he shouldn't go to Cal. For those of us who went to Cal during the Vietnam War we know that the current protest scene at Cal is pretty lame but at ASU they would only protest if beer prices went up or tube tops were banned.

cubzwin;842311839 said:

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Obviously poster was kidding about stifling protests. If White doesn't want to see any student activists then he shouldn't go to Cal. For those of us who went to Cal during the Vietnam War we know that the current protest scene at Cal is pretty lame but at ASU they would only protest if beer prices went up or tube tops were banned.

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Which speaks to targeting the wrong guy

moonpod;842311837 said:

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Whoops. Well it didn't help that you then had several posters agree

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I fooled them all.

Meister Petz;842311844 said:

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I fooled them all.

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man, I just read moon's response and added on.

/fail

moonpod;842311840 said:

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Which speaks to targeting the wrong guy

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well, you never really know until you come to Cal whether you are going to like it. It's not for everyone. Fact of the matter is, we are a 1-11 team that, to my eye, didn't look very good on offense during spring game. If I'm a top level QB, I would be hesitant too. You don't start with a crappy team and build it by getting 5*s. You start with 3*s and build them up through good coaching and teamwork to become better collectively than their talent would suggest. You win games, become successful, and start recruiting better. Hopefully with those better recruits, you can keep them still playing as a team for each other - but that's not always easy as we have seen in years past with our perceived talent woefully under performing.

A short anecdote: After Bobby Bowden retired, I heard an interview with him on Sirius radio. They asked him about his successes and failures, and whether he had thought about why his teams had fallen off at the end of his tenure. His answer: In the beginning, they recruited florida kids. Not only florida kids, but kids who WANTED to be FSU kids. It was in their blood. These kids grew up together, played against each other, and bonded together as a team. They had a chip on their shoulder, and felt that they were truly playing for each other. They started winning a ton of games, no. 1 in the country, movies being made based on them ("The Program"). Suddenly, he could recruit anyone in the county, and they started going to California, texas, Ohio, to cherry pick the best recruits.

Those non-floridians didn't mesh with the rest of the team who grew up together and competing against each other. There was a cultural divide in the locker room from having a third of the team or more from different parts of the county. In the process, they turned their back on a lot of the local kids who they used to recruit, which pissed off some of the local coaches. Those kids started to go to Univ. Florida or Miami. Meanwhile, FSU's team was dysfunctional and it showed in their results and play on the field.

The lesson is, it's a team game, and you need guys to truly buy in and be dedicated to sacrificing a lot to play for each other. Selfishness and weak mindedness are the death-knell to any team, no matter how talented the individuals are. We need kids who WANT to be Cal men. Period. If you come here, see the hippies or the protests and get freaked out, then we don't want you. The kid who can't handle those things is just going to be bummed out and transfer after a year or two and/or be a cancer in the locker room because he's unhappy. We want kids who want to test themselves with the academic challenges that we heap upon them. If the kid want's tutors writing his papers, then he's not the kind of kid we want. And no amount of hand wrangling or bashing is going to change that.

The question vandalus then is our staff doing a good job identifying those guys though? Can't really disagree that getting guys that in the end want to be at Cal for Cal's sake is a premium but how to sell and ID? Especially when program has seemed fairly directionless lately. As much as it truly pains me the furd since Harbaugh has figured this out. Has our staff?

Vandalus;842311866 said:

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well, you never really know until you come to Cal whether you are going to like it. It's not for everyone. Fact of the matter is, we are a 1-11 team that, to my eye, didn't look very good on offense during spring game. If I'm a top level QB, I would be hesitant too. You don't start with a crappy team and build it by getting 5*s. You start with 3*s and build them up through good coaching and teamwork to become better collectively than their talent would suggest. You win games, become successful, and start recruiting better. Hopefully with those better recruits, you can keep them still playing as a team for each other - but that's not always easy as we have seen in years past with our perceived talent woefully under performing.

A short anecdote: After Bobby Bowden retired, I heard an interview with him on Sirius radio. They asked him about his successes and failures, and whether he had thought about why his teams had fallen off at the end of his tenure. His answer: In the beginning, they recruited florida kids. Not only florida kids, but kids who WANTED to be FSU kids. It was in their blood. These kids grew up together, played against each other, and bonded together as a team. They had a chip on their shoulder, and felt that they were truly playing for each other. They started winning a ton of games, no. 1 in the country, movies being made based on them ("The Program"). Suddenly, he could recruit anyone in the county, and they started going to California, texas, Ohio, to cherry pick the best recruits.

Those non-floridians didn't mesh with the rest of the team who grew up together and competing against each other. There was a cultural divide in the locker room from having a third of the team or more from different parts of the county. In the process, they turned their back on a lot of the local kids who they used to recruit, which pissed off some of the local coaches. Those kids started to go to Univ. Florida or Miami. Meanwhile, FSU's team was dysfunctional and it showed in their results and play on the field.

The lesson is, it's a team game, and you need guys to truly buy in and be dedicated to sacrificing a lot to play for each other. Selfishness and weak mindedness are the death-knell to any team, no matter how talented the individuals are. We need kids who WANT to be Cal men. Period. If you come here, see the hippies or the protests and get freaked out, then we don't want you. The kid who can't handle those things is just going to be bummed out and transfer after a year or two and/or be a cancer in the locker room because he's unhappy. We want kids who want to test themselves with the academic challenges that we heap upon them. If the kid want's tutors writing his papers, then he's not the kind of kid we want. And no amount of hand wrangling or bashing is going to change that.

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Agree
I would add that whatever chip Cal players have has probably developed into a deep and painful abcess.

Also I don't get the reference to the hot chicks at ASU. Every single time I'm at Cal for a game or otherwise there is a non stop parade of off the charts playboy level coeds. Just because they tend to wear jeans instead of pornwear shouldn't matter, especially if you think you're going to see them without clothes anyway. I take it they can also carry a conversation that involves critical thinking skills.

moonpod;842311871 said:

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The question vandalus then is our staff doing a good job identifying those guys though? Can't really disagree that getting guys that in the end want to be at Cal for Cal's sake is a premium but how to sell and ID? Especially when program has seemed fairly directionless lately. As much as it truly pains me the furd since Harbaugh has figured this out. Has our staff?

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I mean, honestly, I have no clue. I'm not close enough to the program anymore to know, which is a change from the last staff. My honest impression is mixed. In the end, I think the vast majority of the guys from the last class fit that bill really well. I've heard very good things about them, as far as attitude and desire to work hard, grinders, etc. You gotta figure too, Dykes can say all the right stuff, but he has to also truly know, at an institutional level, what type of guy fits here and then identify and recruit them successfully. I hope he can.

This years pending class... its just too early to tell. Perhaps we took a calculated risk on White. I mean, if it were me in charge, I would be triaging guys based on talent/need. ID guys who appear to be the right fit, and you bring them out for a visit. You never really know until you get them on campus whether they are the right fit. With white, he's a high academic kid, and you hope that when he comes out, he feels its right for him. You can't blame the staff for trying. If he goes to ASU like all reports seem to indicate, then we move on, and maybe without a QB this year. I don't think it would be such a terrible thing to be honest. If I couldn't get one of the top 5 guys, then I would rather invest in another offensive lineman, which is the ultimate linchpin for the success and failure of our team and the biggest single reason why we haven't been successful these last few years in my opinion.

So did Brady already announce and it wasn't to Cal?

Oh I see we just offered another QB today, yeah that doesn't look good.

heartofthebear;842311884 said:

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Agree
I would add that whatever chip Cal players have has probably developed into a deep and painful abcess.

Also I don't get the reference to the hot chicks at ASU. Every single time I'm at Cal for a game or otherwise there is a non stop parade of off the charts playboy level coeds. Just because they tend to wear jeans instead of pornwear shouldn't matter, especially if you think you're going to see them without clothes anyway. I take it they can also carry a conversation that involves critical thinking skills.

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Respectfully, I disagree. I mean, sure, there are a few hot ones at Cal, but lets not kid ourselves here. Almost none are playboy material.

When I was a freshman I visited my buddy at SDSU (which I consider to be at least on par with ASU, and maybe even a notch below on the hot chick scale). In a word, it was insane. Just, completely out of whack with what I considered to be the norm. Every 3rd girl was a 9, and every 10th was basically the hottest girl I had ever seen in person. They were EVERYWHERE. And my buddy, who wasn't anything special (great guy, just short and kind of portly) was completely unimpressed. I was walking around with my jaw open drooling, and he would just comment "eh, whatever - that's nothing. you should see this one in my whatever class." I mean, for an 18 year old kid, it was just complete and utter madness.

Consequently, all over the place amazing girls were on the arms of just totally average guys. His comment - there are so many hot girls that they are competing with each other to score a guy. All of them were dressed amazingly, a total contrast to Cal, where during the school year more girls are walking around in hoodies and pajama bottoms (and not the hot kind) than a revealing outfit. Girls in large numbers aren't hitting the gym super hard, watching what they eat, and tanning.

In essence, I cannot disagree with you more on this. There are hot women at Cal for sure, but the numbers are WAY down compared to ASU, and the ones that are hot don't have any real competition so there isn't nearly the same culture of trying to dress it up and show off.

Optimistic Bear;842311890 said:

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Oh I see we just offered another QB today, yeah that doesn't look good.

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i believe you are talking about the young man that plays for longshore.. st margarita hs ..

he class of 2016 only a sophomore ... maybe tony has said F this year on to the next if white committed elsewhere

going4roses;842311896 said:

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i believe you are talking about the young man that plays for longshore.. st margarita hs ..

he class of 2016 only a sophomore ... maybe tony has said F this year on to the next if white committed elsewhere

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They offered Travis Waller today.

Meister Petz;842311899 said:

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They offered Travis Waller today.

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How did you find out about this? Is it a pay service? Any link?

Thanks

going4roses;842311896 said:

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i believe you are talking about the young man that plays for longshore.. st margarita hs ..

he class of 2016 only a sophomore ... maybe tony has said F this year on to the next if white committed elsewhere

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That kid is Costello. Waller is the new servite offeree and there is some sort of TFS connection there and the kid has EVERY program interested in him

moonpod;842311902 said:

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That kid is Costello. Waller is the new servite offeree and there is some sort of TFS connection there and the kid has EVERY program interested in him

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I like him. Seems to be in the mold of Mariota. Would be a great get.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Cal-offer-to-Waller-could-be-telling-28441342

Looks like we offered two QBs today one for 2015 and one for 2016.

With Goff it doesnt matter who comes in at QB, because he is going to set records the next 3 years.

We need OL, DL, S, and everything else is gravy

So now Cal's in scramble mode. Brady is good as gone, but if we end up with Waller...I'm good. Just not sure his interest in Cal at this point.

gocalbear;842311900 said:

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How did you find out about this? Is it a pay service? Any link?

Thanks

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Saw it on 247 sports. See the link moonpod posted.

Waller would be a great get but every program wants him. Most likely will be able to pick and choose. Already has a ridiculous offer list. Again has some sort of TFS connection so if we show a pulse on the field this year there's a chance.

And yeah with Goff we are PROBABLY set but of he gets injured etc AND RBZ doesn't pan out then what? You can't recruit assuming Goff is football Jesus and RBZ is Johnny football part 2

Vandalus;842311894 said:

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Respectfully, I disagree. I mean, sure, there are a few hot ones at Cal, but lets not kid ourselves here. Almost none are playboy material.

When I was a freshman I visited my buddy at SDSU (which I consider to be at least on par with ASU, and maybe even a notch below on the hot chick scale). In a word, it was insane. Just, completely out of whack with what I considered to be the norm. Every 3rd girl was a 9, and every 10th was basically the hottest girl I had ever seen in person. They were EVERYWHERE. And my buddy, who wasn't anything special (great guy, just short and kind of portly) was completely unimpressed. I was walking around with my jaw open drooling, and he would just comment "eh, whatever - that's nothing. you should see this one in my whatever class." I mean, for an 18 year old kid, it was just complete and utter madness.

Consequently, all over the place amazing girls were on the arms of just totally average guys. His comment - there are so many hot girls that they are competing with each other to score a guy. All of them were dressed amazingly, a total contrast to Cal, where during the school year more girls are walking around in hoodies and pajama bottoms (and not the hot kind) than a revealing outfit. Girls in large numbers aren't hitting the gym super hard, watching what they eat, and tanning.

In essence, I cannot disagree with you more on this. There are hot women at Cal for sure, but the numbers are WAY down compared to ASU, and the ones that are hot don't have any real competition so there isn't nearly the same culture of trying to dress it up and show off.

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Sorry, I would respond more fully but I'm on my way to San Diego right now.

:woohoo

heartofthebear;842311918 said:

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Sorry, I would respond more fully but I'm on my way to San Diego right now.

:woohoo

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Always a fun town

C'mon. HOB. In your HEART of hearts...Tempe has Berkeley outclassed in the hot girl category. It ain't the end all be all but as for just plain 'ol eye candy......

heartofthebear;842311918 said:

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Sorry, I would respond more fully but I'm on my way to San Diego right now.

:woohoo

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Jelly. I want to move back (my home town).

moonpod;842311920 said:

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Always a fun town

C'mon. HOB. In your HEART of hearts...Tempe has Berkeley outclassed in the hot girl category. It ain't the end all be all but as for just plain 'ol eye candy......

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I wouldn't necessarily say "outclass" when talking about the difference between Cal girls and ASU girls...Tempe gals and class don't usually go together lol

beeasyed;842311923 said:

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I wouldn't necessarily say "outclass" when talking about the difference between Cal girls and ASU girls...Tempe gals and class don't usually go together lol

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Hah. That can be a good thing sometimes

Vandalus;842311894 said:

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Respectfully, I disagree. I mean, sure, there are a few hot ones at Cal, but lets not kid ourselves here. Almost none are playboy material.

When I was a freshman I visited my buddy at SDSU (which I consider to be at least on par with ASU, and maybe even a notch below on the hot chick scale). In a word, it was insane. Just, completely out of whack with what I considered to be the norm. Every 3rd girl was a 9, and every 10th was basically the hottest girl I had ever seen in person. They were EVERYWHERE. And my buddy, who wasn't anything special (great guy, just short and kind of portly) was completely unimpressed. I was walking around with my jaw open drooling, and he would just comment "eh, whatever - that's nothing. you should see this one in my whatever class." I mean, for an 18 year old kid, it was just complete and utter madness.

Consequently, all over the place amazing girls were on the arms of just totally average guys. His comment - there are so many hot girls that they are competing with each other to score a guy. All of them were dressed amazingly, a total contrast to Cal, where during the school year more girls are walking around in hoodies and pajama bottoms (and not the hot kind) than a revealing outfit. Girls in large numbers aren't hitting the gym super hard, watching what they eat, and tanning.

In essence, I cannot disagree with you more on this. There are hot women at Cal for sure, but the numbers are WAY down compared to ASU, and the ones that are hot don't have any real competition so there isn't nearly the same culture of trying to dress it up and show off.

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+1 It's not even remotely close.

moonpod;842311917 said:

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Waller would be a great get but every program wants him. Most likely will be able to pick and choose. Already has a ridiculous offer list. Again has some sort of TFS connection so if we show a pulse on the field this year there's a chance.

And yeah with Goff we are PROBABLY set but of he gets injured etc AND RBZ doesn't pan out then what? You can't recruit assuming Goff is football Jesus and RBZ is Johnny football part 2

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As long as Stanford doesn't offer we are the last "home" team left. No one knows what kind of chance we have with him yet because we haven't been recruiting him. Now that we are starting I think it will be interesting to see if their is any mutual interest. Hopefully he wants to stay close to home.

From what I saw on one sight, his offer list is not "ridiculous" and far from everybody wants him. I think Vandy and Tennessee are the only SEC offers. He has 0 offers from the perennial powerhouses.

BTW if he is willing to go across the country to go to Vandy, which is under a new coach, I don't see why he won't have some interest in Cal.

moonpod;842311920 said:

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Always a fun town

C'mon. HOB. In your HEART of hearts...Tempe has Berkeley outclassed in the hot girl category. It ain't the end all be all but as for just plain 'ol eye candy......

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To be honest, I've never been to Tempe. I went to UCSC, misguided by my parents once again.:axe I should be able to add Tempe to my itinerary.

heartofthebear;842312023 said:

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From what I saw on one sight, his offer list is not "ridiculous" and far from everybody wants him. I think Vandy and Tennessee are the only SEC offers. He has 0 offers from the perennial powerhouses.

BTW if he is willing to go across the country to go to Vandy, which is under a new coach, I don't see why he won't have some interest in Cal.

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On which site did you sight this?

man, with our discussions only revolving around white, browning and rosen, i hadn't even paid attention to waller. that boy is good.

Bobodeluxe;842312026 said:

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On which site did you sight this?

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I'm not allowed to say

But I do love girl____ cookies don't you?

You do know I'm talking about Waller who they have rated above White BTW.