sycasey said:
ducky23 said:
But just like the characters in the show yearned for compromise, that's what d&d delivered with bran. Not amazing. Not awful. Whatever.
IMO this is exactly what GRRM's point was. That a reasonably satisfying ending doesn't come with one of the square-jawed heroes taking the throne (they are all too broken after fighting so many battles anyway) and not with one of the unscrupulous schemers taking it either (that would just be boring nihilism), rather with the "meh" compromise guy being placed there. It's an actual realistic take on what "progress" would look like in such a world.
Yes, I am assuming this is Martin's outlined ending, but I think it's a better assumption than thinking D&D came up with it on their own.
It's weird...
There are two main camps when it comes to Jon Snow:
--There's the fighter who overcame so much adversity who seemed like the hero of the show who was destined to take the throne. He's the natural charismatic leader of of men.
--There's the mediocre guy ("Stupid Jon Snow") who constantly makes bad decisions and who has to constantly be bailed out (by Uncle Benjen, Sansa, Daenerys, etc.). He's the guy who fails up.
But because he keeps surviving, looks morally pure and looks the part, it just seemed like a foregone conclusion he would end up on the Iron Throne.To both sides.
And he would ascend to the throne if this weren't a George R.R. Martin story.
It's funny that so many people in my sports timeline expected Jon Snow to get the throne.
I see parallels in Jon Snow and Ned Stark. But it's odd that the Jon Snow fans who were thrilled to see Ned get punished for betraying the king are shocked when Jon is punished for betraying the queen.
I saw too many people wonder why the Unsullied had control of Jon Snow's fate, as if they were irrelevant.
I also saw too many people say he was the rightful heir to the throne.
Picture this: Jon Snow kills the Queen, and Jon -- without a dragon to back him up --- tells the Unsullied that he had to kill her because she was evil and he is, in fact, the rightful heir to the throne. You think they're going to buy it? HAHAHAH! Anyways, I'm surprised he wasn't executed right away.