Here the Go-Go offense is broken down. Up tempo no huddleNYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
So he IS reading this site?71Bear said:I fully expect Wilcox to select a guy with whom he is familiar or a guy who receives a strong recommendation from someone whose opinion is highly valued by Wilcox.Big C said:Speaking of reasons, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilcox picks somebody that he knows. Not saying "one of his buddies", but somebody that he personally trusts would be good. If it's not somebody he's worked with, then somebody that brings strong recommendations from people Wilcox has worked with.71Bear said:No thank you. I would expect Wilcox to hire a guy based on merit rather than where he went to college.Cal88 said:
Troy Taylor should be the top target.
From the Sac State site:Quote:
Taylor took a sizable pay cut to come to Sacramento State, where his base annual pay is $242,000. That's about $1.7 million through the duration of his seven-year contract. Taylor's 2018 base salary at Utah was $525,000, plus a bonus of $87,500, a total about 2 times his annual take at Sacramento State, where he is the highest-paid coach.
"It's never been about the money for me," says Taylor, who will earn a bonus if the Hornets win the conference title. "It's about believing in where I am and being challenged. My goal when I left Folsom High School was to one day be a head coach, and this is a great opportunity. They're paying me well. This is where I want to be."
The main issue here is he's built some local bridges and personal relationships, and leaving after just one season is tough. He might be thinking about taking over a P5 program down the line, which given the job he's done so far at Sac State looks like a reasonable prospect.
But given that it's his alma mater, he might take the job, especially if he feels that one of his top SSU assistants could carry on with that program. I would think the Cal HC job would be his dream job, being the OC at 51 gets him on that path and puts him in a great position to contribute to the program.
So if anybody wants to do us some homework, what highly regarded offensive minds (somebody who might be available) have worked with Wilcox? And assuming DeRuyter has Wilcox's complete trust, same question for TDR.
Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]
There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Not a lot of meat (about the Go Go offense) in that article. But indeed he has a book on it --- so I guess you can order it and see for yourself. Regardless of what you think about hurry-up offenses, at least this implies that he's a schemer and is thinking things out scheme-wise,.OzarkBear said:Here the Go-Go offense is broken down. Up tempo no huddleNYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
https://wmsportsblog.com/2019/05/02/first-look-wms-new-look-gogo-offense-gifs-included/
Uthaithani said:
Troy Taylor sounds like a typiCal hire. Not a very good OC, but hey he was a alumni, so let's get him!
You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
I have only watched it briefly and listened to a little clip of him explaining it. I think it fills some criteria that would work at Cal. It looks like a strong identity (as opposed to a multiple offense, which I am always wary of at this level), and a unique identity - shotgun with two backs offset to one side. This creates some very interesting run game/option flexibility, with both the triple and lead options available to the strong side, QB lead with two lead blockers in that direction, plus easy to go backside with a lead blocker. The gun element with 2-3 receivers also means that you shouldn't be pigeon-holed in recruiting as an under center option team might be.NYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
He coached high school in the Bay Area. There is plenty more on his offense on youtube.YamhillBear said:Not a lot of meat (about the Go Go offense) in that article. But indeed he has a book on it --- so I guess you can order it and see for yourself. Regardless of what you think about hurry-up offenses, at least this implies that he's a schemer and is thinking things out scheme-wise,.OzarkBear said:Here the Go-Go offense is broken down. Up tempo no huddleNYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
https://wmsportsblog.com/2019/05/02/first-look-wms-new-look-gogo-offense-gifs-included/
As I noted before, his resume is pretty thin. I wouldn't call him a west coast guy: his west coast ties were that he played JC at Foothill and DeAnza, and did a year as QC coach at Arizona State...
He's a young guy, so maybe relatable for the kids. Maybe that helps in recruiting but really not much that I've seen about his recruiting.
Overall, I think he'd be a VERY HIGH RISK selection.
Given that I did see him mentioned in the recent Auburn and Syracuse searches, I keep wondering if I'm missing something. But given that his mention regarding Cal is that he expressed interest (nothing about Cal expressing interest), I kind of wonder if those few mentions were basically sportstalk-talking-head-filler and/or agent finding ways to get his client's name mentioned in bigger circles.
You are presuming here that the two propositions are mutually exclusive, which is not necessarily the case. Part of this is an irrational inferiority complex that's hindered our program.71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
OzarkBear said:Here the Go-Go offense is broken down. Up tempo no huddleNYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
https://wmsportsblog.com/2019/05/02/first-look-wms-new-look-gogo-offense-gifs-included/
Forefront of innovation? Nope.kad02002 said:I have only watched it briefly and listened to a little clip of him explaining it. I think it fills some criteria that would work at Cal. It looks like a strong identity (as opposed to a multiple offense, which I am always wary of at this level), and a unique identity - shotgun with two backs offset to one side. This creates some very interesting run game/option flexibility, with both the triple and lead options available to the strong side, QB lead with two lead blockers in that direction, plus easy to go backside with a lead blocker. The gun element with 2-3 receivers also means that you shouldn't be pigeon-holed in recruiting as an under center option team might be.NYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
This would also fit Garbers' skill set in the short term, and get back to taking advantage of the Bay Area, which has consistently produced top level running backs.
I don't like if he is 100% firm on being up tempo all of the time. I can't know that. I don't think this meshes with what Wilcox does. However, the potential of the run game element has me excited.
Long story short, Baldwin's offense tried to run, but I did not see how it had a systematic approach to doing so. An offense like this does. It is at the forefront of innovation and would be unique to defend, which are both enticing for a program like Cal's.
I'll probably look more later and see if I can pick up anything else. For what it's worth, I was also impressed with how he teaches in the short clip I watched.
Conclusory statements? Yes.killa22 said:Forefront of innovation? Nope.kad02002 said:I have only watched it briefly and listened to a little clip of him explaining it. I think it fills some criteria that would work at Cal. It looks like a strong identity (as opposed to a multiple offense, which I am always wary of at this level), and a unique identity - shotgun with two backs offset to one side. This creates some very interesting run game/option flexibility, with both the triple and lead options available to the strong side, QB lead with two lead blockers in that direction, plus easy to go backside with a lead blocker. The gun element with 2-3 receivers also means that you shouldn't be pigeon-holed in recruiting as an under center option team might be.NYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
This would also fit Garbers' skill set in the short term, and get back to taking advantage of the Bay Area, which has consistently produced top level running backs.
I don't like if he is 100% firm on being up tempo all of the time. I can't know that. I don't think this meshes with what Wilcox does. However, the potential of the run game element has me excited.
Long story short, Baldwin's offense tried to run, but I did not see how it had a systematic approach to doing so. An offense like this does. It is at the forefront of innovation and would be unique to defend, which are both enticing for a program like Cal's.
I'll probably look more later and see if I can pick up anything else. For what it's worth, I was also impressed with how he teaches in the short clip I watched.
Unique to defend? Probably, but not in the way you think it is.
Hard pass.
71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
The guy is legendary in Northern California HS circles, has great experience, proven QB coach, turned around Sac State in one season, and SB old blue. Yep, nobody we would want?71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
EWell, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
The Athletic also indicated that he will coach at ASU next season.YamhillBear said:
Zac Hill to Arizona State, per a local radio guy:
https://arizonasports.com/story/2190704/arizona-state-expected-to-hire-boise-states-zak-hill-as-next-oc/
When did he win a lower division national championship?Oski87 said:71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
I am not necessarily advocating for Taylor but the fact is that his resume is as good as any for this job - including building perhaps the best new high school dynasty in Northern California, bringing a crap team in Sac State to new heights, and having a lower division national title in his resume. This is like debating if you want Gus Malzahn to be your OC.
Yep. Just ask our old friend, Keith Gilbertson.PtownBear1 said:
Cal alum or not, we already hired a legendary FCS head coach and he was a bust as an OC. I don't get why people would want to try the same thing with a much less accomplished version. Not to mention Taylor already had one unimpressive short stint as a P12 OC.
It's clear the skills for running a successful program and being a successful coordinator are not all overlapping.
Being a great HS coach is a long way from being a great OC at the P5 level. He was a flop as an OC at Utah. That is far more relevant than having been a great HS coach.Ncsf said:The guy is legendary in Northern California HS circles, has great experience, proven QB coach, turned around Sac State in one season, and SB old blue. Yep, nobody we would want?71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
EWell, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
71Bear said:Yep. Just ask our old friend, Keith Gilbertson.PtownBear1 said:
Cal alum or not, we already hired a legendary FCS head coach and he was a bust as an OC. I don't get why people would want to try the same thing with a much less accomplished version. Not to mention Taylor already had one unimpressive short stint as a P12 OC.
It's clear the skills for running a successful program and being a successful coordinator are not all overlapping.
Running what essentially is a combination of conventional 21 I Run Game (Inside Zone, Outside Zone, Duo, and Power) out of an unconventional two back set is definitely not innovative. Perhaps the marriage of that to triple option elements could be? But then again that's nothing hugely novel. At that point you might just want to go all in and take the service academy route -- never win a conf championship but be a total pain in the ass to the rest of the conference (like AFA in the MWC).kad02002 said:Conclusory statements? Yes.killa22 said:Forefront of innovation? Nope.kad02002 said:I have only watched it briefly and listened to a little clip of him explaining it. I think it fills some criteria that would work at Cal. It looks like a strong identity (as opposed to a multiple offense, which I am always wary of at this level), and a unique identity - shotgun with two backs offset to one side. This creates some very interesting run game/option flexibility, with both the triple and lead options available to the strong side, QB lead with two lead blockers in that direction, plus easy to go backside with a lead blocker. The gun element with 2-3 receivers also means that you shouldn't be pigeon-holed in recruiting as an under center option team might be.NYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
This would also fit Garbers' skill set in the short term, and get back to taking advantage of the Bay Area, which has consistently produced top level running backs.
I don't like if he is 100% firm on being up tempo all of the time. I can't know that. I don't think this meshes with what Wilcox does. However, the potential of the run game element has me excited.
Long story short, Baldwin's offense tried to run, but I did not see how it had a systematic approach to doing so. An offense like this does. It is at the forefront of innovation and would be unique to defend, which are both enticing for a program like Cal's.
I'll probably look more later and see if I can pick up anything else. For what it's worth, I was also impressed with how he teaches in the short clip I watched.
Unique to defend? Probably, but not in the way you think it is.
Hard pass.
Explanations? No.
Mind reader? Apparently.
Do tell, what is an innovative offense?
FWIW, BB's "mastermind" did what for our O? I don't know that TT should be our guy, but any plus/minus comparison with BB is 3 years in our rearview mirror. Meanwhile, Sac St.71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
1. Not a fair question. Stanford sucks. Let's say it said SJSU instead.71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
Taylor's Pac-12 offenses kicked Baldwin's Pac-12 offenses' butt. I really don't have a strong feeling about Taylor as a candidate but I have a very strong feeling about disqualifying candidates because they went to Cal.Rushinbear said:FWIW, BB's "mastermind" did what for our O? I don't know that TT should be our guy, but any plus/minus comparison with BB is 3 years in our rearview mirror. Meanwhile, Sac St.71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
[/url]
Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
If JW wants TT, it's still a matter of TT's long term career aspirations. He may see us as BB did - if it works here, JW may move up and out, thereby creating a chance to a Cal hc promotion. That may not be enough to take a backward step, $$$ or no.
Don't get me wrong, I love the air raid and it's history, I love the run and shoot, it's all good stuff even if I don't think it's the best here. But you are basically saying that what is essentially generic spread at this point is innovative while a two offset back shotgun option offense is not. Repackaging is innovation. Briles and his extreme splits and stacks - cool. How is that more innovative? 4 verts? Yes, it's cool how good the Air Raid guys got at it, but my freshman football team was running that in 1998. A spread offensive coach saying that he also wants to run? Wow...that's 75% of the teams in the country.killa22 said:Running what essentially is a combination of conventional 21 I Run Game (Inside Zone, Outside Zone, Duo, and Power) out of an unconventional two back set is definitely not innovative. Perhaps the marriage of that to triple option elements could be? But then again that's nothing hugely novel. At that point you might just want to go all in and take the service academy route -- never win a conf championship but be a total pain in the ass to the rest of the conference (like AFA in the MWC).kad02002 said:Conclusory statements? Yes.killa22 said:Forefront of innovation? Nope.kad02002 said:I have only watched it briefly and listened to a little clip of him explaining it. I think it fills some criteria that would work at Cal. It looks like a strong identity (as opposed to a multiple offense, which I am always wary of at this level), and a unique identity - shotgun with two backs offset to one side. This creates some very interesting run game/option flexibility, with both the triple and lead options available to the strong side, QB lead with two lead blockers in that direction, plus easy to go backside with a lead blocker. The gun element with 2-3 receivers also means that you shouldn't be pigeon-holed in recruiting as an under center option team might be.NYCGOBEARS said:What's your opinion of his offense?kad02002 said:
Brennan Marion. Unique run-based offense and a young guy with Bay Area connections.
This would also fit Garbers' skill set in the short term, and get back to taking advantage of the Bay Area, which has consistently produced top level running backs.
I don't like if he is 100% firm on being up tempo all of the time. I can't know that. I don't think this meshes with what Wilcox does. However, the potential of the run game element has me excited.
Long story short, Baldwin's offense tried to run, but I did not see how it had a systematic approach to doing so. An offense like this does. It is at the forefront of innovation and would be unique to defend, which are both enticing for a program like Cal's.
I'll probably look more later and see if I can pick up anything else. For what it's worth, I was also impressed with how he teaches in the short clip I watched.
Unique to defend? Probably, but not in the way you think it is.
Hard pass.
Explanations? No.
Mind reader? Apparently.
Do tell, what is an innovative offense?
That dudes stuff is what you would call creative repackaging, at best.
Innovative to me, by comparison would be say Tedford's adaptation of spread concepts, particularly the screen game to pro-set personnel groupings and formations back in the early 2000's.
Or, on a different spectrum, Art Briles use of extreme splits and 10 personnel groupings with mauler sized OL to run the ball on light boxes and then attack with play action downfield utilizing run and shoot principles with vertical choice reads.
Likewise, the Air Raid Six Concept (Verticals) -- as adapted by Dykes and Holgerson at TTU then popularized throughout all of HS football, the entire Big 12, and then seen live this year destroy our defense (by USC). That was another huge innovative leap.
Im Air Raid partial -- but if you view the 1.0 version of that scheme with Mumme and Leach as the evolution of the west coast, adapted to the spread, then the 2.0 version is really what has happened over the last six-seven years as Dykes, Holgerson, Kingsbury, Harrell etc. have adapted the offense to RPOS, Play Action, Zone and Gap Runs, Screen Game, Screen-Pass Option elements etc.
Innovative would thereby also be the Run and Shoot 2.0 as run recently by Hawaii -- adapting QB run and RPO elements married to the core Run and Shoot Passing Game -- major weakness therein in my eyes is the inability of that scheme to contend with drop 8 using only 4 out in a pattern.
Innovation would also be the prevalence of Four Strong route concepts and rule breakers as used by Kingsbury and then copied verbatim by Joe Brady and employed at LSU.
I could go on in further detail on a specific concept by concept basis. But in my eyes, that W&M stuff is not what I would classify as innovative or uniquely difficult to defend. That's just repackaged 21 -- throw numbers in the box, be assignment sound, and have contingency assignments to counter. If your personnel matchup you can win -- I am not threatened by any pass game that could arise from that set.
Even Wilcox would just alternate between living in Man Free or potentially pattern match 3 mixing in run blitzes. That **** would get shut down quick.
Contending with rule breaking, space eating pass concepts that adjust on the fly to what you are doing -- while also having to contain the QB as a run threat and throwing sufficient numbers at the box to stop the rb, while also having to throw numbers and pass rush diversity at the QB to disrupt timing, while also having to cover down to stop the screen game, and also having to mix up presnap depth at DB to eliminate the quick game.
That's a much bigger challenge for any DC.
His offenses were about average nationally and were above average for Utah under Whittingham. If that is a flop what do you call Baldwin at Cal? I haven't checked the stats all the way, but I'd guess that Baldwin coached the three worst Cal offenses since 2001. And you have never waivered in your support.71Bear said:Being a great HS coach is a long way from being a great OC at the P5 level. He was a flop as an OC at Utah. That is far more relevant than having been a great HS coach.Ncsf said:The guy is legendary in Northern California HS circles, has great experience, proven QB coach, turned around Sac State in one season, and SB old blue. Yep, nobody we would want?71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
EWell, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
I believe I said that Baldwin masterminded the O at EWU. I never implied he did the same at Cal. A5 Cal, he was the OC (which is a step down from being the mastermindRushinbear said:FWIW, BB's "mastermind" did what for our O? I don't know that TT should be our guy, but any plus/minus comparison with BB is 3 years in our rearview mirror. Meanwhile, Sac St.71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
If JW wants TT, it's still a matter of TT's long term career aspirations. He may see us as BB did - if it works here, JW may move up and out, thereby creating a chance to a Cal hc promotion. That may not be enough to take a backward step, $$$ or no.
). some thoughts...OaktownBear said:1. Not a fair question. Stanford sucks. Let's say it said SJSU instead.71Bear said:You lost me in your first paragraph because it was the reverse of what you wrote. In other words, Taylor rode the success of the Baldwin offense. Baldwin was the mastermind (and head coach) at EWU.Cal88 said:Oski87 said:
Well, I think it is pretty clear that Troy Taylor has been successful as a coach everywhere he went, except perhaps to a place in Utah where the coach did not like his style of offense and ran him out - the same way he ran out every other offensive coordinator there.
Which is the outlier here - the guy who demands a slow, plodding offense that regularly lays an egg in a big-time game or the guy who consistently builds programs and moves them to the next level?
I am sure that Taylor will not be the coach at Cal but I can be sure that he will get a MW job soon or something similar and move up from there quickly.
Exactly, Whittingham went through 9 OCs in 11 seasons at Utah. Maybe the problem was him, not his OCs, and not Taylor...The article linked above that was critical of Troy is from a local paper and might have been biased towards Whittingham, arguably the most important sports figure in the state of Utah. Taylor was the newcomer from CA in an insular local culture...Quote:
But Taylor was never going to stay here. He was going to join a long list nine in 11 years of former offensive coordinators at Utah, the place where guys who love running Whittingham's offense are either fired or move on as quickly as they can.
Troy was the OC, QB coach and called the plays for Eastern Washington under Baldwin in 2016, where the program had its best record in 20 years. From his wiki page:Taylor is a proven QB mentor/developer, his QBs who have been record-setting performers everywhere he went, at Folsom High and EWU:Quote:
On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12]
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At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13]
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Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14]
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Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]There is no question that he is a great QB coach. Our QBs underperforming this season and the last has been one of the main reasons our program has sputtered. As well, Baldwin rode the success of Taylor's offense in 2016 into the Cal OC job.Quote:
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
Taylor has always been a cerebral football guy, he did very well at Cal despite lacking physical attributes, he came in as a skinny freshman and performed well, sort of the opposite of a Kyle Boller, who was a physical phenom but lacked QB intangibles. His cerebral nature and understanding of the game and the QB position is the main reason he was the best Cal QB in the 1980s. Those are the kind of qualities that translate into good mentors and coaches.
Taylor also has deep ties in NorCal, which will be essential in retaining local talent, especially top QBs and receivers. JW has built enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball, Taylor would add that element on offense.
All in all, it's a perfect fit. The criticism of guys like 71B are not well-founded here.
Of those who advocate for Taylor, I wonder how many would be doing so if his diploma read Stanford instead of Berkeley as the school from which he graduated.
I am counting on Wilcox to find the best candidate not the best candidate who happened to graduate from Cal.
2. For those who advocated for Beau Baldwin for 3 years and was clearly okay with his return if not actively wanting that, I wonder how many would be dead set against an OC who kicked Baldwin's ass in every offensive category as an OC in the Pac-12 if that OC's diploma read anything other than Cal.
About Taylor:
In 2012, he returned to Folsom High as co-head coach of football, during the 4-year period he was there the bulldogs went 58-3 winning 4 consecutive section championships and a state title.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-faraudo2012-1][1][/url]
Taylor coached Washington quarterback Jake Browning since he was in 5th grade up until his senior year in high school where he set the national touchdown record in a career with 229 TD passes while also tying a record of 91 touchdown passes in a single season all while going 16-0 with 16 running clocks and a D1 state championship.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-10][10][/url]
His offense at Folsom broke the state in passing for 4 straight years and set a state record for most points scored in a season, a record that still stands today.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-11][11][/url]
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On February 18, 2016, Taylor was announced as the Passing Game Coordinator, Quarterbacks coach and play caller for Eastern Washington.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-12][12][/url]
At EWU Taylor called plays and took an already stellar offense to new heights as they set 2 all-time FCS records for passing yards (5,160 yards) and total offense (5,766 yards) in a season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-13][13][/url]
Taylor was instrumental in helping former walk on quarterback Gage Gubrud into a record setting QB who broke the all-time single season FCS passing record and broke the all-time record in total offense. Gubrud also won FCS player of the year from numerous sites along with Big Sky Conference co-MVP (with teammate Cooper Kupp) and also having the only team to have 3 wide receivers over 1,000 yards in the season.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-14][14][/url]
Gubrud also set 16 school records, 7 Big sky records and 2 FCS records all while getting the Big Sky conference championship and going undefeated in conference play. They improved in almost every offensive statistical category in his first year.
A notable win came in the first game of the season against Washington State where they won 45-42 and set a school record for total offense.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Taylor_(American_football)#cite_note-15][15][/url]
On December 17, 2018, Taylor accepted the head coaching position at Sacramento State after spending the previous two years as the Offensive Coordinator at Utah.
On August 31, 2019, Taylor debuted in his first collegiate game as head coach, in which his Sacramento State team defeated Southern Oregon 77-19.
On November 23, 2019, Taylor and his Sacramento State football team clinched the schools' first-ever share of the Big Sky Conference Championship in a 27-17 victory over the UC Davis Aggies football team in the 2019 Causeway Classic game. This win served as Sacramento States' first Big Sky Conference Championship win since the team's induction into the Big Sky Conference in 1996. Sacramento State also won the 2019 Causeway Carriage as a result of this victory over the UC Davis Aggies football team
As for his record at Utah, his offenses weren't great but they were a hell of a lot better than ours and they were above average for Kyle Whittingham teams.
So, yes, I think we would consider that guy. I'm not saying he is a slam dunk. I'm saying he'd be on the list. I would not be disappointed if we go another direction. I would not be disappointed if we hired him. I definitely do not want him because he went to Cal. I also don't want him excluded because he went to Cal.
I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence. My problem is I don't think you do. I say that because it simply strains credibility to wholeheartedly support Baldwin as our OC and be dead set against Taylor
Hiring Joe Kapp was stupid. People advocating for players with no coaching experience is stupid. I'll say it again. It is stupid to want unqualified coaches because they played or coached at Cal. It is equally stupid to disqualify qualified coaches for the same reason.
