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Read the December 12, 2019 NDA between Dr. Baric (UNC Tar Heels) and NAIAD/Moderna concerning their production of mRNA work on coronavirus vaccines. Very disturbing in light of Dr Fauci's previous involvement with the Wuhuan facility and experiments that involved "peer to peer" transmission of the genetically altered strains. World record time (allegedly) for development of the vaccine?? I think not; China and the USA been working on this stuff for many years. Idiots at the Wuhuan facility negligently (hopefully, perhaps on purpose) let it escape into the general population. Thanks China and the WHO for the swell cover-up.

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This is intensely nonsensical. Why would Trump have allowed this? Why wouldn't Trump and Qanon blow the whistle? Or is that what you think is happening on March 4?

People like you who believe in this sort of nefarious behavior have every reason to shed light on it and yet there has been zero confirmation worldwide? Don't you find it curious that the type of people who believe I. This stuff also believe in Bigfoot, that the moon landing was faked, that JFK Jr is alive, and that Trump, a serial philanderer and sexual harasser, is actively engaged in stopping pedophilia while managing to allow multiple Republicans close to his inner circle to peddle in child pornography? You don't have to be smart to connect the dots here - it's pretty obvious who is making up these wild stories and why they are never substantiated. Maybe time to examine why it is that there are ever wilder stories coming from the same people that never come true? Nah, better to continue to revel in self delusion and pretend that one day soon all of the BS will magically become true.

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There was an interesting article in the NYT a week or so ago reporting that human encroachment men on natural habitats of bats has put us more and more into regular contact with one of Mother Nature's all-time best disease spreaders.

In addition it has been reported by climate scientists that increasing temperatures would also foster growth of disease carrying insects and vermin (including rats and bats).

Many times the greatest catastrophes are not the result of some great secret conspiracy but are obvious and staring us in the face.

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Exactly, I was initially reluctant to take one of the experimental but fast-tracked mRNA vaccines (first scene in a zombie movie) and thought if given the choice I would take a traditional protein-based vaccine. JJ spent a lot developing it so of course they will take it to market. Moreover, it or similar vaccines will be the vaccine most of the world ends up getting due to the single dose and storage benefits. I ended up deciding that a vaccine that hijacks my cells like a virus to produce a benign protein that my immune system would attack is no worse and probably a lot better than the many viruses I've had that hijack my cells to produce a virus that hijacks my cells to produce a virus that....my immune system attacks. I got the Pfizer, my second dose was supposed to be Friday but supply issues...

there is nothing traditional about the jnj adenovirus vaccine, except maybe their lobbying and marketing. it is a genetic vaccine, the first of its kind to be approved in the usa. generally, these vaccines do not work much better after a second dose because the body develops immunity to the dna carrying vector virus. jnj was going to be approved. with that being said, if it is available, we should take it. in fact, it may work better than mrna in preventing severe disease in the variants because dna vaccines seem to generate more t cells than mrna vaccines.

the only protein based vaccine that will be available is from novavax. they dont have the resources to move as fast as bp and the fda is in no hurry to approve them, so they will not be approved for usa anytime soon. for example, jnj started p2 before they had p1 results and did not have to do a usa p3. the fda places a lot of trust in big pharma. for example, pfizer had 5 people over the age of 85 in their entire 20,000 subject phase 3 trial yet that was the target population for the emergency use rollout.

novavax has completed a s.a. p2 and uk p3 but usa is requiring a usa p3. i would take the novavax if available because it is the safest and best against the current usa and uk variants. i do wonder though if jnj or another would be a good booster for it because the brazil and s.a. variants can escape antibodies. moderna and pfizer have not had efficacy tested against the s.a. and brazil variants.

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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To quote Tedford,"No doubt"

This is super interesting and potentially very good news. It sounds like for some long COVID victims, getting vaccinated helps alleviate or even eliminate symptoms and problems. I never thought that the vaccine could serve as a therapeutic but that sounds like what's happening.

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Early reports from Griffin and others hint that people with persistent symptoms may improve after getting vaccinated. Information is still limited, and the data is largely anecdotal but if the pattern holds, it could help researchers understand more about why symptoms of COVID-19 persist in some people, and offer a path to relief.

Many of Griffin's patients who improved had significant side effects after their first shot of either the Moderna or Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine. That's common in people who've had COVID-19 before they already have some level of antibodies, so the first shot acts more like a second booster. Then, his patients with chronic symptoms started to report that their sense of smell was improving or that they weren't as fatigued. "For some of them it was short lived. But for a chunk, it actually persisted they went ahead, got their second shot out, and are saying, wow, they really feel like there's light at the end of the tunnel," Griffin says.

"they really feel like there's light at the end of the tunnel"

A number of people who catch COVID-19 experience symptoms like fatigue, shortness of breath, or loss of smell months after their initial illness. For some, those symptoms are debilitating. Many people who got sick during the first wave of the pandemic a year ago still aren't fully recovered. Doctors like Griffin are learning more about what's being called "long COVID," but answers are still limited. Any hint of a path toward relief "would be nothing short of a miracle," says Diana Berrent, founder of the COVID-19 survivors and long-haulers group Survivor Corps.

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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(first scene in a zombie movie)

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TBH, I am as confident in that outcome as I am Cal will lose, up by X with Y minutes to go.

Very confident.

GivemTheAxe said:

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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FYI, my wife teaches in Oakland and she got vaccinated two weeks ago (first shot from Pfizer). It was easy: She got a code from her district, along with a strong recommendation to take advantage of it, and was at the Coliseum within a week. Boom.

For this reason, I am now pretty much of the opinion that schools that are still closed need to begin the reopening process... now. Teachers that are insisting on being vaccinated prior to a return (which I get) DO have that opportunity, so let's get on with it.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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FYI, my wife teaches in Oakland and she got vaccinated two weeks ago (first shot from Pfizer). It was easy: She got a code from her district, along with a strong recommendation to take advantage of it, and was at the Coliseum within a week. Boom.

For this reason, I am now pretty much of the opinion that schools that are still closed need to begin the reopening process... now. Teachers that are insisting on being vaccinated prior to a return (which I get) DO have that opportunity, so let's get on with it.

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The issue will still be the kids getting vaccinated, if you're a parent you know kids are disease vectors, and if you are at all worried about unintended consequences of new vaccine types that went through express approval, and kids not being in the high priority bucket for vax...it could be recipe for a storm.

Big C said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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FYI, my wife teaches in Oakland and she got vaccinated two weeks ago (first shot from Pfizer). It was easy: She got a code from her district, along with a strong recommendation to take advantage of it, and was at the Coliseum within a week. Boom.

For this reason, I am now pretty much of the opinion that schools that are still closed need to begin the reopening process... now. Teachers that are insisting on being vaccinated prior to a return (which I get) DO have that opportunity, so let's get on with it.

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KRON TV just announced that if you want to get a vaccine shot but are too young and don't fit in to the occupations that are entitled to priority, you can accelerate your position in line by volunteering to help at one of the many vaccination sites (such as Coliseum) for 4 hours.

Apparently you can sign up on line.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editor*****s/article/volunteer-California-vaccine-MyTurnVolunteer-16009060.php

wow! the censor edited out part of the link!

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Big C said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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FYI, my wife teaches in Oakland and she got vaccinated two weeks ago (first shot from Pfizer). It was easy: She got a code from her district, along with a strong recommendation to take advantage of it, and was at the Coliseum within a week. Boom.

For this reason, I am now pretty much of the opinion that schools that are still closed need to begin the reopening process... now. Teachers that are insisting on being vaccinated prior to a return (which I get) DO have that opportunity, so let's get on with it.

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The issue will still be the kids getting vaccinated, if you're a parent you know kids are disease vectors, and if you are at all worried about unintended consequences of new vaccine types that went through express approval, and kids not being in the high priority bucket for vax...it could be recipe for a storm.

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You bring up a good point. Not only are kids not in the high priority bucket for vaccinations, the vaccines haven't even been approved for them yet. (I believe Stage 3 trials are now in the works.)

However, most experts agree that the younger kids (pre-teen) don't get serious COVID and tend to not transmit it either.

Anyway, school this spring is "different" (rules, masks, spacing, etc.) and that may stretch into fall. Many other areas are doing more school than in California and the general consensus is that it's not one of the main drivers in the spread of the virus.

College of San Mateo and Canada have said there will be no in person classes until Jan 2022. I wonder if other junior colleges are doing this. Good for me as the gym is a ghost town for the next year.

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College of San Mateo and Canada have said there will be no in person classes until Jan 2022. I wonder if other junior colleges are doing this. Good for me as the gym is a ghost town for the next year.

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I wonder how these decisions are made, considering everybody over 18 will have the chance to be vaccinated by the fall.

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College of San Mateo and Canada have said there will be no in person classes until Jan 2022. I wonder if other junior colleges are doing this. Good for me as the gym is a ghost town for the next year.

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I wonder how these decisions are made, considering everybody over 18 will have the chance to be vaccinated by the fall.

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They are already in full online mode for fall 2020 and spring 2021. It is far easier to stay in full online mode than to go in person and have to roll it back to online. I'm sure it is uncertainty around resurgence that is driving it, plus young adults definitely catch it and spread it, even though they may not suffer as badly from it.

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College of San Mateo and Canada have said there will be no in person classes until Jan 2022. I wonder if other junior colleges are doing this. Good for me as the gym is a ghost town for the next year.

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I wonder how these decisions are made, considering everybody over 18 will have the chance to be vaccinated by the fall.

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They are already in full online mode for fall 2020 and spring 2021. It is far easier to stay in full online mode than to go in person and have to roll it back to online. I'm sure it is uncertainty around resurgence that is driving it, plus young adults definitely catch it and spread it, even though they may not suffer as badly from it.

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Contra Costa CCD will be mostly remote in the Fall 21. Our problem is that class size (42) and room size are not a good match. Unless they drop the social distancing regulations we would have to drop class sizes beyond what budgets would allow. That and our schedule goes live in late spring. We need to be sure by then that we could meet in person this fall or change the schedule on the fly. The safe play is to stay remote and it looks like that is what we will do.

The part I'm not understanding is this: It is looking like everybody over 18 will be offered a vaccine before September. At that point, what is the danger from COVID?

Or is in-person instruction at that level so little value-added that it will fairly soon become obsolete?

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The part I'm not understanding is this: It is looking like everybody over 18 will be offered a vaccine before September. At that point, what is the danger from COVID?

Or is in-person instruction at that level so little value-added that it will fairly soon become obsolete?

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1) people with the vaccine may still get and pass the virus but it should prevent them from getting sick;
2) jnj has low efficacy;
3) we do not know how long vaccine protections last; and
4) variants that avoid antibodies will likely become dominant in the usa, and we do not know if we have that covered.

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rkt88edmo said:

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Big C said:

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College of San Mateo and Canada have said there will be no in person classes until Jan 2022. I wonder if other junior colleges are doing this. Good for me as the gym is a ghost town for the next year.

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I wonder how these decisions are made, considering everybody over 18 will have the chance to be vaccinated by the fall.

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They are already in full online mode for fall 2020 and spring 2021. It is far easier to stay in full online mode than to go in person and have to roll it back to online. I'm sure it is uncertainty around resurgence that is driving it, plus young adults definitely catch it and spread it, even though they may not suffer as badly from it.

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Contra Costa CCD will be mostly remote in the Fall 21. Our problem is that class size (42) and room size are not a good match. Unless they drop the social distancing regulations we would have to drop class sizes beyond what budgets would allow. That and our schedule goes live in late spring. We need to be sure by then that we could meet in person this fall or change the schedule on the fly. The safe play is to stay remote and it looks like that is what we will do.

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I think the "safe play" is a bad way to go. You are keeping kids out of school for two years. Go with reduced class size with provision to increase if allowed. The government may send money to schools if they open. Just my opinion. Btw, i went to CCC.

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The part I'm not understanding is this: It is looking like everybody over 18 will be offered a vaccine before September. At that point, what is the danger from COVID?

Or is in-person instruction at that level so little value-added that it will fairly soon become obsolete?

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1) people with the vaccine may still get and pass the virus but it should prevent them from getting sick;
2) jnj has low efficacy;
3) we do not know how long vaccine protections last; and
4) variants that avoid antibodies will likely become dominant in the usa, and we do not know if we have that covered.

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I appreciate your response. Some followups to your points...

1) Isn't it believed that vaccinated people will pass the virus significantly less? And if people are becoming hospitalized and dying in VASTLY lower numbers, why is it even a big deal?
2) doesn't jnj have high efficacy in preventing hospitalizations and deaths?
3) we don't "know", but isn't it believed that the vaccine protections will last quite a while... like a year or probably more?
4) aren't all the variants (so far) believed to be more or less vulnerable to the vaccine? and besides the antibodies immunity, there is also the T-cell immunity, correct?

Note that, to some extent, I am playing devil's advocate here. I realize that a worst-case-scenario is that we allow a high level of SARS-CoV-2 to percolate around the world, giving it more chance to mutate into something every bit as infectious, but more virulent and -- shudder -- highly vaccine resistant.

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Big C said:

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The part I'm not understanding is this: It is looking like everybody over 18 will be offered a vaccine before September. At that point, what is the danger from COVID?

Or is in-person instruction at that level so little value-added that it will fairly soon become obsolete?

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1) people with the vaccine may still get and pass the virus but it should prevent them from getting sick;
2) jnj has low efficacy;
3) we do not know how long vaccine protections last; and
4) variants that avoid antibodies will likely become dominant in the usa, and we do not know if we have that covered.

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I appreciate your response. Some followups to your points...

1) Isn't it believed that vaccinated people will pass the virus significantly less? And if people are becoming hospitalized and dying in VASTLY lower numbers, why is it even a big deal?
Yes. The vastly lower numbers may come to fruition.
2) doesn't jnj have high efficacy in preventing hospitalizations and deaths?
They only had five hospitalizations in the placebo group. Their hospitalization claim is spin. The standards have been changed to meet the result. This is not for the vulnerable.

https://stockandscience.com/2021/03/07/jj-falls-well-short-of-competitors/

3) we don't "know", but isn't it believed that the vaccine protections will last quite a while... like a year or probably more?
at least six months for current variants but protection wanes. i can envision jnj boosting the mrna vaccines.

4) aren't all the variants (so far) believed to be more or less vulnerable to the vaccine? and besides the antibodies immunity, there is also the T-cell immunity, correct?

the hope is that memory cells will prevent severe illness once the initial antibodies are gone. jnj seems to be superior to the other two in this regard, and it is 85% effective in preventing severe illness across a diverse population. not sure how well it will help the vulnerable, especially against the tougher variants.

Note that, to some extent, I am playing devil's advocate here. I realize that a worst-case-scenario is that we allow a high level of SARS-CoV-2 to percolate around the world, giving it more chance to mutate into something every bit as infectious, but more virulent and -- shudder -- highly vaccine resistant.

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I put in my answers above. I think we are on track for September but it is not a done deal.

Good to hear they are letting teachers get jabs. My wife teaches special needs kids ages 6-10 and her public school (North San Diego County) opened full time in September. She says the kids have done well with wearing masks which surprised me in view of their mental challenges. Impossible to reduce class size although they tried. She did not get the virus nor did I. Handful of kids got the virus but are fine. She got both jabs (Moderna) past 40 days and after they ran out of vaccine at Petco I am scheduled for second jab next week. I see no logical reason to have closed schools in the first place in view of the costs to society. My two cents based on living in fear for the past five months (we are both in our mid to late 60s). Maybe we were just lucky.....

I have Kaiser and they just notified me that I can schedule a vaccine. I am under 65, so I figured, what, do they mean I can schedule now for late April? No, I am good to go for NEXT MONDAY!!!

I'm not sure exactly how I qualified. Did they drop the age to 60? Do they have on record that I am a teacher (my job for the last couple of years has been stay-at-home dad)? Whatever the reason, I am sure as heck not going to contact them to question it!

I guess I'll really believe it when the needle goes in, but I am one ecstatic, older, stay-at-home dad right now!

Get my second Pfizer tomorrow morning.

Age has been lowered to 50 this week.

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https://www.sfgate.com/news/editor*****s/article/volunteer-California-vaccine-MyTurnVolunteer-16009060.php

wow! the censor edited out part of the link!

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I wonder why the state is doing this. I thought the focus was on vaccinating those most at risk first. What will the state do if more of a particular group volunteer than others? What about others that cannot physically or mentally do the work? It sounds like the state just wants free labor.

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I have Kaiser and they just notified me that I can schedule a vaccine. I am under 65, so I figured, what, do they mean, I can schedule now for late April? No, I am good to go for NEXT MONDAY!!!

I'm not sure exactly how I qualified. Did they drop the age to 60? Do they have on record that I am a teacher (my job for the last couple of years has been stay-at-home dad)? Whatever the reason, I am sure as heck not going to contact them to question it!

I guess I'll really believe it when the needle goes in, but I am one ecstatic, older, stay-at-home dad right now!

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On Monday eligibility is expanding to those with conditions that may put them at risk. But if you don't have one then it is either because you are listed as an educator, my guess, or it is a mistake. Congratulations in any case.

I think 50-64 will next be added to those eligible. My guess is in 2-4 weeks.

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I have Kaiser and they just notified me that I can schedule a vaccine. I am under 65, so I figured, what, do they mean, I can schedule now for late April? No, I am good to go for NEXT MONDAY!!!

I'm not sure exactly how I qualified. Did they drop the age to 60? Do they have on record that I am a teacher (my job for the last couple of years has been stay-at-home dad)? Whatever the reason, I am sure as heck not going to contact them to question it!

I guess I'll really believe it when the needle goes in, but I am one ecstatic, older, stay-at-home dad right now!

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On Monday eligibility is expanding to those with conditions that may put them at risk. But if you don't have one then it is either because you are listed as an educator, my guess, or it is a mistake. Congratulations in any case.

I think 50-64 will next be added to those eligible. My guess is in 2-4 weeks.

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My guess is that a number of Kaiser members 65+ got tired of waiting and made other arrangements for vaccine shots (e.g. Oakland Coliseum etc). (I know a number of 65+ who have done so.) So Kaiser must "use or lose" the increased number of doses it is now receiving.

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Anyone find it odd that J&J is going forward with one shot that only provides <65% effectiveness. That was pretty much the same rate as pfizer and moderna on one shot as well iirc.

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Are you saying they should've tried a second shot, or that it's surprising that they would bring what they have to market?

The J&J shot is just about as effective at preventing deaths and hospitalizations. Plus it doesn't require special storage. It will be great for remote locations and my kids have also decided that's the one they want, because shots.

There is also some speculation that, because it is a more "traditional" vaccine, the unlikely possibility of unforeseen side-effects might be even less likely.

I would take a J&J now, if the alternative were to wait a few more weeks for a "better" one. Bird in the hand...

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Well the good news is that there should be enough vaccine available for a. all teachers (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of March and b. all adults (who want) to be vaccinated by the end of May. Which is a heck of a lot sooner than was projected at the beginning of this year.

(Oh oh. Some conspiracy theorists will surely start spinning some grand conspiracy about this major break through.)

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FYI, my wife teaches in Oakland and she got vaccinated two weeks ago (first shot from Pfizer). It was easy: She got a code from her district, along with a strong recommendation to take advantage of it, and was at the Coliseum within a week. Boom.

For this reason, I am now pretty much of the opinion that schools that are still closed need to begin the reopening process... now. Teachers that are insisting on being vaccinated prior to a return (which I get) DO have that opportunity, so let's get on with it.

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The issue will still be the kids getting vaccinated, if you're a parent you know kids are disease vectors, and if you are at all worried about unintended consequences of new vaccine types that went through express approval, and kids not being in the high priority bucket for vax...it could be recipe for a storm.

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The issue will always be ignoring science, yes.

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I have Kaiser and they just notified me that I can schedule a vaccine. I am under 65, so I figured, what, do they mean, I can schedule now for late April? No, I am good to go for NEXT MONDAY!!!

I'm not sure exactly how I qualified. Did they drop the age to 60? Do they have on record that I am a teacher (my job for the last couple of years has been stay-at-home dad)? Whatever the reason, I am sure as heck not going to contact them to question it!

I guess I'll really believe it when the needle goes in, but I am one ecstatic, older, stay-at-home dad right now!

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Your age/coverage dictates where you are placed on the pecking order. If your current coverage is through your employment as a teacher, you are a "teacher".

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I have Kaiser and they just notified me that I can schedule a vaccine. I am under 65, so I figured, what, do they mean, I can schedule now for late April? No, I am good to go for NEXT MONDAY!!!

I'm not sure exactly how I qualified. Did they drop the age to 60? Do they have on record that I am a teacher (my job for the last couple of years has been stay-at-home dad)? Whatever the reason, I am sure as heck not going to contact them to question it!

I guess I'll really believe it when the needle goes in, but I am one ecstatic, older, stay-at-home dad right now!

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On Monday eligibility is expanding to those with conditions that may put them at risk. But if you don't have one then it is either because you are listed as an educator, my guess, or it is a mistake. Congratulations in any case.

I think 50-64 will next be added to those eligible. My guess is in 2-4 weeks.

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Next up - those who are developmentally disabled (beginning next Monday).

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College of San Mateo and Canada have said there will be no in person classes until Jan 2022. I wonder if other junior colleges are doing this. Good for me as the gym is a ghost town for the next year.

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I wonder how these decisions are made, considering everybody over 18 will have the chance to be vaccinated by the fall.

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They are already in full online mode for fall 2020 and spring 2021. It is far easier to stay in full online mode than to go in person and have to roll it back to online. I'm sure it is uncertainty around resurgence that is driving it, plus young adults definitely catch it and spread it, even though they may not suffer as badly from it.

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Contra Costa CCD will be mostly remote in the Fall 21. Our problem is that class size (42) and room size are not a good match. Unless they drop the social distancing regulations we would have to drop class sizes beyond what budgets would allow. That and our schedule goes live in late spring. We need to be sure by then that we could meet in person this fall or change the schedule on the fly. The safe play is to stay remote and it looks like that is what we will do.

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I think the "safe play" is a bad way to go. You are keeping kids out of school for two years. Go with reduced class size with provision to increase if allowed. The government may send money to schools if they open. Just my opinion. Btw, i went to CCC.

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Just for fun, I calculated my classroom capacity with six-foot social distancing. These classrooms were built in the late 60's with ventilation of that era and quality. The original capacity, posted on a sign by the door was 30, which was fine in the pre Prop 13 days when that was our class max. At some point they changed the ed code to allow more students in those spaces and our class max jumped to 42. They crammed in more "chair desks" (chairs with an 18" writing surface) and we were good to go. More semesters than not, there were 42+ students present the first few weeks. Heaven forbid an emergency, you had to scoot side-ways down the aisle to get in or out.

If we were required to have 6' of social distance I think we might be able have 16 students in the room. The state would have to double our funding to accommodate everyone. The college cannot schedule for that without a GUARANTEE of the funding. The resources for covering expenses without a boost simply do not exist and our college is not alone in this problem. Fixing it would require a boat load of money. 4' could perhaps accommodate 20 students.

The reasons to play it safe have been addressed above. We don't know if a variant will evade the vaccines, or how long vaccine protection lasts. We don't know if the county will require social distancing, because they don't know - and we need to make our schedule this month. It might be fine in August, but we don't know.

Aren't you charging the students the same tuition even though it is virtual? Thats what universities are doing. You are saying you wont receive enough money from tuition if you limit class size.