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is Sac pulling the broom out of the closet?

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Warriors have been way better at home all season, so probably not.

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Games like last night are renewing faith in the nba. I felt like the calls were tilted toward the Warriors, but others feel the opposite so I guess it cancels out. I do feel like Green deserved a flagrant 2 but Sabonis did, too, for the grabbing the leg. Kings got lucky there. On the flip side, Green purposely allowed his "momentum" to knock Sabonis over earlier and that call should have stood. Also, Curry clearly charged and that heel was off the wood. There was nothing on the paint of the circle and that call shouldn't have been overturned either, imo. If it's the plane of the arc and not the actual physical contact, fine, but that's not how the announcers described the rule. Kings got hosed on that very same call in game 1, too. I hate that stupid arc. A charge should be a charge, plain and simple. Kings shot like absolute hot garbage most of the game, including from the line, but this time, they played harder and wanted it more. I'm sure the Ws will take game 3. Probably all of the home games. They want this thing to go 7. Word is getting out and there's no excitement like this matchup, anywhere. What would be awesome is Kings/Lakers on round 2.

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I disagree on two calls you highlighted.
Green's butt bump out of bounds on sabonis is a clear non call! Great to correct that.
And sabonis clearly stepped up and under Steph as he had begun his upward move. Block!

I like it when refs call charges! They don't call them enough (contrary to W's announcer Bob Fitz's opinion), but sabonis blocked, not curry charge.

King deserved to win, again, and will win the series as I predicted.

Still watching, though. Happy for Sacramento kings, rooting for warriors. But they don't deserve it. They've been lax all year.

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agree on the both counts, and the butt foul would have been the worst I've seen this year if it hadn't been reversed.

Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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concordtom said:

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Kings played better but Warriors could have played better. I blame Kerr for not bringing in DiVincenzo at point in the 4th quarter to free up Curry who didn't seem to have any open looks. There was no effort to get Thompson the ball either as he was heating up late.

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That's because the kings defend 4/5ths of the entire front court. The Warriors have no counter to this intense pressure. I keep thinking "just throw it to the big man on the block for an easy 1v1 pivot move. Alas, we have no size - both Sabonis and Len have inches and pounds over our guys, who are decidedly NOT post scorers!

Our disadvantage is by design.

….last season, some teams started ball hawking Curry all over. It worked. Sacramento is doing the same. Coach Mike Brown knows how to cut off the head of our snake. Because he used to coach us.

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That may be true. Sac was effective last night because D Mitchell is such a good on the ball defender. He's probably elite in that regard. Fox is uber quick but he's not actually a great on the ball defender. He has quick hands for steals though

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This is what worries me about next year. Without Brown, who will be our perimeter lock down defender?

It will help greatly that we will have a better rim protector in the paint, but you still want one guard who can lock down the opponent's top gun

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

Lacob was probably really excited about Chase being built, and that he had Curry.

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Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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I think Sabonis was called for two charges, no?
The one on Steph and another on ???
Certainly Dray drew a charge on another king.

But definitely! Sabonis was lowering his shoulder and banging hard.
Glad you saw that as well.

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SBGold said:

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concordtom said:

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Kings played better but Warriors could have played better. I blame Kerr for not bringing in DiVincenzo at point in the 4th quarter to free up Curry who didn't seem to have any open looks. There was no effort to get Thompson the ball either as he was heating up late.

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That's because the kings defend 4/5ths of the entire front court. The Warriors have no counter to this intense pressure. I keep thinking "just throw it to the big man on the block for an easy 1v1 pivot move. Alas, we have no size - both Sabonis and Len have inches and pounds over our guys, who are decidedly NOT post scorers!

Our disadvantage is by design.

….last season, some teams started ball hawking Curry all over. It worked. Sacramento is doing the same. Coach Mike Brown knows how to cut off the head of our snake. Because he used to coach us.

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That may be true. Sac was effective last night because D Mitchell is such a good on the ball defender. He's probably elite in that regard. Fox is uber quick but he's not actually a great on the ball defender. He has quick hands for steals though

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This is what worries me about next year. Without Brown, who will be our perimeter lock down defender?

It will help greatly that we will have a better rim protector in the paint, but you still want one guard who can lock down the opponent's top gun

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agreed, like my guy Prentice McGruder back in the day

HoopDreams said:

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concordtom said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Games like last night are renewing faith in the nba. I felt like the calls were tilted toward the Warriors, but others feel the opposite so I guess it cancels out. I do feel like Green deserved a flagrant 2 but Sabonis did, too, for the grabbing the leg. Kings got lucky there. On the flip side, Green purposely allowed his "momentum" to knock Sabonis over earlier and that call should have stood. Also, Curry clearly charged and that heel was off the wood. There was nothing on the paint of the circle and that call shouldn't have been overturned either, imo. If it's the plane of the arc and not the actual physical contact, fine, but that's not how the announcers described the rule. Kings got hosed on that very same call in game 1, too. I hate that stupid arc. A charge should be a charge, plain and simple. Kings shot like absolute hot garbage most of the game, including from the line, but this time, they played harder and wanted it more. I'm sure the Ws will take game 3. Probably all of the home games. They want this thing to go 7. Word is getting out and there's no excitement like this matchup, anywhere. What would be awesome is Kings/Lakers on round 2.

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I disagree on two calls you highlighted.
Green's butt bump out of bounds on sabonis is a clear non call! Great to correct that.
And sabonis clearly stepped up and under Steph as he had begun his upward move. Block!

I like it when refs call charges! They don't call them enough (contrary to W's announcer Bob Fitz's opinion), but sabonis blocked, not curry charge.

King deserved to win, again, and will win the series as I predicted.

Still watching, though. Happy for Sacramento kings, rooting for warriors. But they don't deserve it. They've been lax all year.

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agree on the both counts, and the butt foul would have been the worst I've seen this year if it hadn't been reversed.

Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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Green had a pretty bad foul on Monk on a drive that not called prior. I don't think Green should have been in the game at the time , and would not have been if that foul had been called

sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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I can't really disagree with you, I just like busting Lacob's nads because I think he is an unethical businessman. He knowingly F'd Oakland 3 times (twice on costs of victory parade reimbursement, and once for cost of improvements to Oracle). When he lost each of those legal battles, he appealed and lost again.

I don't even blame him for leaving Oakland. He was clairvoyant leaving right before the soft on crime District Attorney took over ( now it is a Kill Zone, especially if you are under 25 pulling the trigger). The A's should leave too…but John Fisher will F Vegas as well by putting zero money into the team, regardless of what stadium is built. Fisher is happy with his business model.

sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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True. Wiseman wasn't so much a "mistake" as much as he just didn't work out (for the Warriors... still may be a good NBA player). By the same token, all the teams that passed on Draymond Green, well, it's easy to say how they screwed up... with 20/20 hindsight.

There was a little luck involved with the W's getting Steph, Dray and Klay. Heck, one more bad ankle injury early in his career and they might've given up on Steph.

Credit to Lacob, though, Golden State is now a place where a top free agent would consider signing. Didn't used to be that way.

sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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True. Wiseman wasn't so much a "mistake" as much as he just didn't work out (for the Warriors... still may be a good NBA player). By the same token, all the teams that passed on Draymond Greene, well, it's easy to say how they screwed up... with 20/20 hindsight.

There was a little luck involved with the W's getting Steph, Dray and Klay. Heck, one more bad ankle injury early in his career and they might've given up on Steph.

Credit to Lacob, though, Golden State is now a place where a top free agent would consider signing. Didn't used to be that way.

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It's a low bar, but I will say that the process around the Warriors' basketball moves improved immediately after Lacob took over. They identified that Steph was the guy to build around (not Monta Ellis), smartly tanked to hold on to their pick (which became Harrison Barnes), and made some very smart trades to get high-IQ guys like Iguodala and Bogut who would synergize well with Curry. They saw that Mark Jackson had taken them as far as he would and made a home-run hire in Steve Kerr.

Again, it's pretty easy to be better than Cohan, but I loved all those moves at the time and was happy we finally had smart management running the Warriors again. Maybe they won't have THAT level of success again, but it wasn't all luck.

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Agree: There was a little luck involved, but he's done a great job with the franchise (that used to be a laughing stock).

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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I can't really disagree with you, I just like busting Lacob's nads because I think he is an unethical businessman. He knowingly F'd Oakland 3 times (twice on costs of victory parade reimbursement, and once for cost of improvements to Oracle). When he lost each of those legal battles, he appealed and lost again.

I don't even blame him for leaving Oakland. He was clairvoyant leaving right before the soft on crime District Attorney took over ( now it is a Kill Zone, especially if you are under 25 pulling the trigger). The A's should leave too…but John Fisher will F Vegas as well by putting zero money into the team, regardless of what stadium is built. Fisher is happy with his business model.

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Props to Lacob for what he's done. I hated them leaving for SF but, like you said, hard to blame him for wanting to go "big time". The one thing that really pissed me off about the move, though, was how the franchise went out of their way for 40+ years never to brand themselves as "Oakland" ("The Town", gimme a break), but then the first year they move to SF, they break out "Oakland" jerseys, in a transparent attempt to not alienate their long-time fan base. I will never go to a game at Chase Center. Never.

The one thing that has been "light years" is how they have built an Organization that is way beyond just basketball. If they hadn't done this, there is no way they could afford to spend so much on salary to keep this team together for so many years. Most other owners other than maybe Ballmer of the Clippers would have broken up this team to avoid the giant luxury tax penalties years ago.

*Must have seen this 10 times. A+.

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HoopDreams said:

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Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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I think Sabonis was called for two charges, no?
The one on Steph and another on ???
Certainly Dray drew a charge on another king.

But definitely! Sabonis was lowering his shoulder and banging hard.
Glad you saw that as well.

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The charge on Steph was just an example of a player being set before the ball handler plowed into him

The charge on Drey to your point was the type of play I'm referring to. They called Sabonis on that play, but there were many more where Sabonis used his body as a battling ram or leading with his elbow with no calls.

But Drey and players on both teams were pushing, shoving, swatting, hacking in the paint all game long. Some were called, some were not

BUT my point is if any of those calls were made, I'd have no issue.

But to have that trench warfare with few calls AND the out of bounds butt bump whistled it would have been a crime

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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The NBA announced Tuesday night that it has suspended Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green for Game 3 against the Sacramento Kings. This comes after an investigation into the altercation with Kings center Domantas Sabonis where Green was seen stepping on his chest.

https://abc7news.com/sports/nba-suspends-warriors-draymond-green-for-game-3/13152210/

In the final 6 mins of game 2 (with draymond out) the kings scored on 10 of their final 11 possessions (does not include garbage time)

So…..I dunno man. I wanna believe, but kuminga was getting absolutely cooked the last two games

Kings may sweep now.

Draymond gives rise to same philosophical questions about winning, and how far you are willing to flex your principles to do so, that arose when Rodman played for the Bulls.

Draymond is a great basketball player and one of the best role players of all time. Some think he's worth it regardless of his conduct, and others don't. Lacob is obviously cool with it.

7 Dirtiest NBA Players in 2022-23 These Guys Are Nasty


https://www.gamblingsites.net/blog/7-dirtiest-nba-players-this-season-2022-23/

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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The NBA announced Tuesday night that it has suspended Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green for Game 3 against the Sacramento Kings. This comes after an investigation into the altercation with Kings center Domantas Sabonis where Green was seen stepping on his chest.

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That ain't no Hall of Famer.

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In the final 6 mins of game 2 (with draymond out) the kings scored on 10 of their final 11 possessions (does not include garbage time)

So…..I dunno man. I wanna believe, but kuminga was getting absolutely cooked the last two games

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Oh! Ain't no believing going on here!
It's over!

Close the door on the Dubs.
The whole dynasty thing, it's over.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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I hope that concert revenue works out for them.

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bearister said:

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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The NBA announced Tuesday night that it has suspended Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green for Game 3 against the Sacramento Kings. This comes after an investigation into the altercation with Kings center Domantas Sabonis where Green was seen stepping on his chest.

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That ain't no Hall of Famer.

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Maybe not a Hall of Famer and I didn't like the way he was celebrating getting ejected last night (resulting in suspension, possibly costing his team the series).

Still, he is by far my favorite Warrior and one of my favorite athletes of all time. The man is authentic and an athletic genius.

RIP Warriors (maybe, probably). I can live with that; it's not like it's Cal or something.

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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I can't really disagree with you, I just like busting Lacob's nads because I think he is an unethical businessman. He knowingly F'd Oakland 3 times (twice on costs of victory parade reimbursement, and once for cost of improvements to Oracle). When he lost each of those legal battles, he appealed and lost again.

I don't even blame him for leaving Oakland. He was clairvoyant leaving right before the soft on crime District Attorney took over ( now it is a Kill Zone, especially if you are under 25 pulling the trigger). The A's should leave too…but John Fisher will F Vegas as well by putting zero money into the team, regardless of what stadium is built. Fisher is happy with his business model.

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What should be done to improve Oakland??

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In the final 6 mins of game 2 (with draymond out) the kings scored on 10 of their final 11 possessions (does not include garbage time)

So…..I dunno man. I wanna believe, but kuminga was getting absolutely cooked the last two games

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Oh! Ain't no believing going on here!
It's over!

Close the door on the Dubs.
The whole dynasty thing, it's over.

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Nah dubs are still -6 for game 3, even after the suspension. If warriors get past game 3, it's probably even money for who takes the series

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Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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I think Sabonis was called for two charges, no?
The one on Steph and another on ???
Certainly Dray drew a charge on another king.

But definitely! Sabonis was lowering his shoulder and banging hard.
Glad you saw that as well.

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The charge on Steph was just an example of a player being set before the ball handler plowed into him

The charge on Drey to your point was the type of play I'm referring to. They called Sabonis on that play, but there were many more where Sabonis used his body as a battling ram or leading with his elbow with no calls.

But Drey and players on both teams were pushing, shoving, swatting, hacking in the paint all game long. Some were called, some were not

BUT my point is if any of those calls were made, I'd have no issue.

But to have that trench warfare with few calls AND the out of bounds butt bump whistled it would have been a crime

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Maybe refs were just looking and waiting, camping, for Draymond to do something.
Well, he did.

And re sabonis, he crashed into looney very hard one time I thought they could have called a charge for. Nope.

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My wife's grandma became a Kings fan around 2006 and religiously watched them never make the playoffs for the next 17 years. She died just before the season started, and now that she's no longer with us, they break the drought. Gotta root for Sactown!

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3 cheers for grandma! How many years did she make it?
I gotta say I respect her for following them thru that era. Nothing I could get behind.

I went to a game 7 years ago and some yokel kept clanging this damn cowbell in my ear. I was like, seriously? It's a f*ing free throw!
Thought bubble: "Uh, security? Can I change seats please? I came to watch some high quality athletes play basketball."
I laughed as our regional midgets tried to put on a show and all the mini-me's in the crowd got so excited - for losing!

But last night was Legit! On the court and in the stands! Good for them! Er uh, us. I guess I'm one of you, now?

Anyone have a used tractor they want to sell cheap?

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This is probably your weakest take ever. And anyone who has been to Oracle/Oakland Arena vs Chase acknowledges that Chase is soulless and boring in comparison, just like it's location in between medical buildings

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Remember where I wrote about "some yokel" above?

Check this Short out!

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Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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I think Sabonis was called for two charges, no?
The one on Steph and another on ???
Certainly Dray drew a charge on another king.

But definitely! Sabonis was lowering his shoulder and banging hard.
Glad you saw that as well.

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The charge on Steph was just an example of a player being set before the ball handler plowed into him

The charge on Drey to your point was the type of play I'm referring to. They called Sabonis on that play, but there were many more where Sabonis used his body as a battling ram or leading with his elbow with no calls.

But Drey and players on both teams were pushing, shoving, swatting, hacking in the paint all game long. Some were called, some were not

BUT my point is if any of those calls were made, I'd have no issue.

But to have that trench warfare with few calls AND the out of bounds butt bump whistled it would have been a crime

&ct=g

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Maybe refs were just looking and waiting, camping, for Draymond to do something.
Well, he did.

And re sabonis, he crashed into looney very hard one time I thought they could have called a charge for. Nope.

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IMO it's more like Mike Brown instructed Sabonis to antagonize Draymond as much as possible in the hopes that he'll blow his top. Worked perfectly.

Agreed and I'm a Kings fan

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

It's not over.
Dubs in 8

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

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Those guys are good, but I wouldn't call any of them "transformational."