CGB2813;842822724 said:

---

Detailed analysis here from earlier this past weekend.

http://www.knbr.com/2017/03/18/maquinana-two-clear-candidates-stand-out-in-cal-basketball-coaching-search/

---

Quote:

---

"you’re also going up against a defeatist mentality from some who make it their business to spread the belief that prosperous academics and revenue sports cannot go hand in hand."

---

That seems like a discreet shot at Jon Wheeler...paraphrasing with regard to revenue sports: "Cal has do decide if they are in all the way, or out."

Wheeler shares his thoughts on a possible Cuonzo departure (when his name was getting thrown around) -- worth a listen: http://section925.com/podcasts-1/2017/2/20/section925-podcast-ep-157-hoops-insider-jon-wheeler

ducky23;842822619 said:

---

yeah exactly. its possible to be an elite college coach and fail at the NBA level

to be clear, i think Shaw's denver stint is concerning, but not disqualifying.

---

Plenty of examples of elite college coaches who fail at the NBA. Being a P5 HC and being an NBA HC are completely different creatures.

Which means it is possible to be an elite NBA coach and fail at the P5 level. In Shaw, there is someone who did not succeed as an NBA coach, and has zero experience coaching college basketball. In terms of relevant experience, I'm way more comfortable with Dennis Gates than with Brian Shaw.

I would agree, though, that nothing about Shaw is disqualifying. The only guy I might say has a disqualifying background is Pasternack. I have mixed feelings about Pasternack. If Cal hires Pasternack, I feel so disturbed about the hire that I'm probably upset enough to give up my season tickets. On the other hand, I would have more time to do useful things from November through March, and have more money for retirement.

smokeyrover;842822755 said:

---

That seems like a discreet shot at Jon Wheeler...paraphrasing with regard to revenue sports: "Cal has do decide if they are in all the way, or out."

Wheeler shares his thoughts on a possible Cuonzo departure (when his name was getting thrown around) -- worth a listen: http://section925.com/podcasts-1/2017/2/20/section925-podcast-ep-157-hoops-insider-jon-wheeler

---

Jon knows his stuff and hit the nail on the head.
Should be required listening for our staff above the Athletic Director.

"You're either in or you're out"......
Cal is not "in" on a winning Basketball program.

After seeing Musselmans wife he is obviously able to recruit and seal the deal. It's like pulling a 5 star recruit to a D3 school

mcdbear;842822790 said:

---

After seeing Musselmans wife he is obviously able to recruit and seal the deal. It's like pulling a 5 star recruit to a D3 school

---

Hot girl marrying rich older guy isn't that hard of a sell, is it?

socaliganbear;842822792 said:

---

Hot girl marrying rich older guy isn't that hard of a sell, is it?

---

She was a reporter at ESPN when they met so I don't think she needed any money and had plenty richer to choose from. If it was so easy, I'd be married to Ros Gold-Onwude

mcdbear;842822795 said:

---

She was a reporter at ESPN when they met so I don't think she needed any money and had plenty richer to choose from. If it was so easy, I'd be married to Ros Gold-Onwude

---

Yanni should have taken dating lessons from him.

stu;842822797 said:

---

Yanni should have taken dating lessons from him.

---

I think the lesson is to ensure the reporter is employed by a third party

south bender;842822609 said:

---

Doubly delusional, to imagine Kidd is some great coach and a man of character...

---

It would be nice to have one coaching thread where fans aren't campaigning for Cal to throw away ethical standards to get a few wins from proven disloyal and ethically challenged coaches. (Tosh, Huffnagel, Pasternak, Kidd, Bozeman). If the only way Cal can win is to sell its soul, I'm ok with losing. And since that's obviously not the only two alternatives, I say to hell with all of those coaches. I'm ashamed Kidd's Cal jersey is retired.

socaliganbear;842822792 said:

---

Hot girl marrying rich older guy isn't that hard of a sell, is it?

---

Plenty of women love older men, even if he isn't rich. It's not a hard sell at all.

Cal8285;842822775 said:

---

Plenty of examples of elite college coaches who fail at the NBA. Being a P5 HC and being an NBA HC are completely different creatures.

Which means it is possible to be an elite NBA coach and fail at the P5 level. In Shaw, there is someone who did not succeed as an NBA coach, and has zero experience coaching college basketball. In terms of relevant experience, I'm way more comfortable with Dennis Gates than with Brian Shaw.

I would agree, though, that nothing about Shaw is disqualifying. The only guy I might say has a disqualifying background is Pasternack. I have mixed feelings about Pasternack. If Cal hires Pasternack, I feel so disturbed about the hire that I'm probably upset enough to give up my season tickets. On the other hand, I would have more time to do useful things from November through March, and have more money for retirement.

---

that's completely fair. having concerns that Shaw has zero college coaching experience is completely reasonable.

but some are completely disqualifying Shaw solely because of this fact. I think its misguided to focus solely on his one stint with Denver while ignoring all of his other potential positive attributes.

I think with shaw, as with all of our potential candidates, there are going to be pluses and minuses with all of them. Unfortunately, in our candidate pool, there is going to be no perfect candidate. I have concerns with each and every one of them.

Lavin update ...

Tara Van Derveer

http://www.csnbayarea.com/ncaa/van-derveer-makes-sense-vacant-cal-mens-job-she-wont-get-try

BearBackerinLA;842822919 said:

---

Tara Van Derveer

---

Tara already has a better job.

BearBackerinLA;842822919 said:

---

Tara Van Derveer

http://www.csnbayarea.com/ncaa/van-derveer-makes-sense-vacant-cal-mens-job-she-wont-get-try

---

I have little doubt she can coach.

But if we had concerns with Bennett about recruiting......

Something ray ratto knows is the major issue but he conveniently left that part out so he could sound smarter than he is

Cal should take a hard look at Chris Mack of Xavier. He's taken the Musketeers to 4 Sweet 16s... teams that were a 6 seed, 10 seed, 6 seed and 11 seed.

Fatto idiot

BigDaddy;842822943 said:

---

Cal should take a hard look at Chris Mack of Xavier. He's taken the Musketeers to 4 Sweet 16s... teams that were a 6 seed, 10 seed, 6 seed and 11 seed.

---

Didn't pan out last year. I'd love him.

BigDaddy;842822943 said:

---

Cal should take a hard look at Chris Mack of Xavier. He's taken the Musketeers to 4 Sweet 16s... teams that were a 6 seed, 10 seed, 6 seed and 11 seed.

---

He was a candidate 3 years ago, but his family didn't want to move. Has that changed?

philbert;842822958 said:

---

He was a candidate 3 years ago, but his family didn't want to move. Has that changed?

---

He played at Xavier, and is into the Catholic/Jesuit thing.
Not Bezerkeley kind of guy

BigDaddy;842822943 said:

---

Cal should take a hard look at Chris Mack of Xavier. He's taken the Musketeers to 4 Sweet 16s... teams that were a 6 seed, 10 seed, 6 seed and 11 seed.

---

Cal offered him the job in 2014 and he turned it down. His price is much higher now than it was in 2014.

Vineyardview;842822576 said:

---

Mike Cohen,
"Just because the reports of their Character, and their Basketball Intelligence and Knowledge, are so extraordinarily glowing, and because the likelihood of their understanding the extraordinary dynamics, both at this university and in the Bay Area, the names of (in no particular order) those two guys, Theo Robertson (especially after what Steve Kerr just had to say about him), Justin Labagh, Richard Midgely, and Lou Ritchie, carry a lot of magic."

What wered Steve Kerr's recent comments about Theo Robertson

Gates, Wyking, Richie and Robertson represent an staff with tactical experience, great recruiting chops and deep California roots - Make it happen

---

In a recent video'd interview (poster, I think, on this Board), Kerr called Theo a "rock star" brilliant whom they were honored to have on board, and, by inference, who the Lakers are lucky to have - and more.

Jeff82;842822680 said:

---

Monty took a flyer. If the job had been anyplace like the Warriors, he never would have taken it. He had the opportunity, and probably figured he'd be kicking himself not to at least see if what he did in college could translate to the pros. It didn't, which was lucky for Cal. No shame that he didn't make it in the pros. I don't think Don Nelson could have won in college, and he would probably have eventually been bounced for punching a player in a scotch-fueled rage.

---

Also, it can now be clearly seen that NO ONE could have succeeded in the Warrior job under the previous owner.

mcdbear;842822790 said:

---

After seeing Musselmans wife he is obviously able to recruit and seal the deal. It's like pulling a 5 star recruit to a D3 school

---

Need to show pic:

The rumor from HoopDirt:
"Worst kept secret out there is the first four to interview at Cal. They are: Nevada head coach Eric Musselman, Montana head coach Travis DeCuire, UC Davis head coach Jim Les, and UC Irvine head coach Russell Turner. I’ve also heard that former UCLA and St. John’s head coach Steve Lavin is making a push here."

UCBerkGrad;842823040 said:

---

Need to show pic:

---

Wow. Beautiful.

He can recruit both black and white kids!

He's an NBA coach. They are all under a microscope. One thing you were dead wrong about was his coaching ability. He's good.

south bender;842822686 said:

---

Your cited article is almost 3 years old, so it hardly shows that Jason is "under a microscope." Moreover, I am suggesting, quite the contrary, that we do not know about Jason and his alleged rehabilitation without impossible private scrutiny. I do not mean to condemn the guy, but to vouch for him as a contrite and reformed man, I won't do it.

---

+1. He was pretty toxic by the time he left.

tsubamoto2001;842821471 said:

---

The logic is recent results and what I know about Howland. I wouldn't touch Howland if had won 3 Nattys at UCLA.

---

bluesaxe;842823058 said:

---

He's an NBA coach. They are all under a microscope. One thing you were dead wrong about was his coaching ability. He's good.

---

What I questioned was the assertion that Jason is a great coach. Good ain't the same. His coaching ability, great, good, or something else? We all have our opinions, and so far Jason's accomplishments as a coach do not particularly impress me.

I have no problem with your opinion that I am "dead wrong." All it is is an opinion...

south bender;842823066 said:

---

What I questioned was the assertion that Jason is a great coach. Good ain't the same. His coaching ability, great, good, or something else? We all have our opinions, and so far Jason's accomplishments as a coach do not particularly impress me.

I have no problem with your opinion that I am "dead wrong." All it is is an opinion...

---

Kidd can coach. He's a good tactician. His Bucks team gave the Warriors two of their toughest games in their historic last season. Winning big in the NBA is very much about having the best star players. The Bucks have a rising star in Antetokounmpo, which should improve them in these next few seasons. Their progress this season has been stalled by injuries to Middleton (now back) and Jabari Parker (out for the season). Very hard to attract upper tier FA's to play in Milwaukee, though.

south bender;842823066 said:

---

What I questioned was the assertion that Jason is a great coach. Good ain't the same. His coaching ability, great, good, or something else? We all have our opinions, and so far Jason's accomplishments as a coach do not particularly impress me.

I have no problem with your opinion that I am "dead wrong." All it is is an opinion...

---

Following on my realization about the crippling effect of the Dubs' former ownership (and, by contrast, the liberating effect of the current Dubs' ownership), I was about to opine that the difference between good and great in the NBA might be the difference between Jason and Steve Kerr, as exemplified by their recent meeting. But, in the above light, and despite my big enthusiasm for Steve Kerr, I'm more inclined to temper that assessment by wondering what a combination of Jason and the current Dubs' ownership might have produced - although, OTOH: Ron Adams! In my mind, it takes a big man to realize that another coach (Adams) is not only necessary in the structure (to have a defensive coordinator) but that Adams in particular is better along those lines than anything you, despite being the HC, could ever bring to the table in that area (& we were all having thoughts like that about Cuonzo's offense). I just don't know (ONE WAY OR THE OTHER) about Jason's breadth in that and other ways - although the brilliance of his basketball mind can't be doubted.

mikecohen;842823144 said:

---

Following on my realization about the crippling effect of the Dubs' former ownership (and, by contrast, the liberating effect of the current Dubs' ownership), I was about to opine that the difference between good and great in the NBA might be the difference between Jason and Steve Kerr, as exemplified by their recent meeting. But, in the above light, and despite my big enthusiasm for Steve Kerr, I'm more inclined to temper that assessment by wondering what a combination of Jason and the current Dubs' ownership might have produced - although, OTOH: Ron Adams! In my mind, it takes a big man to realize that another coach (Adams) is not only necessary in the structure (to have a defensive coordinator) but that Adams in particular is better along those lines than anything you, despite being the HC, could ever bring to the table in that area (& we were all having thoughts like that about Cuonzo's offense). I just don't know (ONE WAY OR THE OTHER) about Jason's breadth in that and other ways - although the brilliance of his basketball mind can't be doubted.

---

Court brilliance as a player does not necessarily demonstrate coaching brilliance.

Turner seems like a reasonable hire

HoopDreams;842823178 said:

---

Turner seems like a reasonable hire

---

+1